-Caveat Lector- "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/30/88 Ah, yes, J.D. Quayle, lamenting having been "...told that traditional values don't matter..." while seeking some National Guard status. I originally was going to post just the Wash (DC) Post article with its ominous references to and quotes from J. Danforth "Potatoe Man" Quayle. Then I reflected on his activities to avoid VietNam and went searching for some information -- basically digging through www.dogpile.com and found nothing -- nothing but sites that catalogued every attempt of his to be articulate and statesman-like (i.e., funnier than, well, ...). So, I finally found some National Guard information on MetaSearch that I put before the Post article on the '60s; and some remembrances of J.D.'s verbal expressions after. INTRO TO ARTICLE OF INTEREST >From http://www.xmission.com/~mwalker/DQ/quayle/qq/nat-guard.html Dan Quayle on Getting Into the National Guard I do -- I do -- I do -- I do -- what any normal person would do at that age. You call home. You call home to mother and father and say, ``I'd like to get into the National Guard.'' -- Senator Dan Quayle, 8/19/88 (reported in Esquire, 8/92) There was no influence used. I didn't have to use any influence because before I applied, there were openings, when I applied, there were openings, and after I applied, there were openings. Those are the facts. And if you're interested in the facts, there they are. -- Senator Dan Quayle defending the way he got into the National Guard (from `The Unofficial Dan Quayle Video'). I did not know in 1969 that I would be in this room today, I'll confess. -- Senator Dan Quayle responding to questions in 1988 about allegations that he used family connections to get into the Indiana National Guard (reported in the Washington Post, 8/26/88). When you get into conflict, and regional conflicts, I mean, you have to have certain goals, and a goal cannot be really a no-win situation. -- Senator Dan Quayle attempting to explain his military service during the Vietnam war (reported in the Washington Post, 9/6/88). Obviously, if you join the National Guard, you have less of a chance of going to Vietnam. I mean it goes without saying. -- Senator Dan Quayle discussing his draft record on NBC's `Meet the Press', 9/20/92. (reported in the Houston Chronicle 9/21/92) I got into the Guard fairly. There were no rules broken, to my knowledge... I, like many, many other Americans, had particular problems about the way the war was being fought. But yes, I supported my president and I supported the goal of fighting communism in Vietnam. -- Vice President Dan Quayle (reported in High Times, 11/92) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brought to you by Michael Goldsman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- copyright (c)1994 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ARTICLE OF INTEREST >From Wash (DC) Post �Tom Shales reviews "The '60s." �Commentary: Baby boomers' power frightens Generation X. Boomers' Nostalgia Is a Bad Trip for Others <Picture> By Sharon Waxman and William Booth Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, February 7, 1999; Page A1 <Picture: Dan Quayle>"We were told that traditional values don't matter � to trash authority, to occupy buildings," says former vice president Dan Quayle. "We are paying a heavy social price for that attitude." (File) LOS ANGELES If there's something that seems terribly familiar about the sights and sounds of the new NBC miniseries "The '60s," debuting tonight during February sweeps, it may be because you've seen this before, and recently. A '60s retrospective? It seems as if the decade never went away. The touchstones of the counterculture � from the Volkswagen Beetle to bell-bottoms � have long been adopted by Madison Avenue. Mercedes-Benz has appropriated the peace symbol for its advertising campaign. The Jimi Hendrix hit "Purple Haze" can now be heard on Muzak. The newest bluejeans from the Gap? They're called "1969." And there is still a call for "Revolution" � by Nike. Because plenty of former campus radicals grew up to become the studio chiefs, movie producers, CEOs, magazine editors and ad executives of today, the cultural predilections of the baby boom generation have become the reference points for the rest of the country. "They're in their prime, they're in power, and one of those places they're in power is in the media, so their self-obsessions tend to become everyone's self-obsessions," says cultural critic Todd Gitlin, the former president of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the leading national New Left organization of the time. "The '60s have this aura of being not just about their own youth, but about the youth of the 21st century. About the collective youth." This is cause for consternation to those who see the decade as a destabilizing social upheaval whose destructive effects have yet to be fully measured. "You have to separate the good side of the '60s and the whirlwind we're reaping today because of it," former vice president Dan Quayle said in an interview Friday. "Look at the social problems we have today, the cultural challenges. These go back to the idea of trashing responsibility, authority, law enforcement." Quayle, now embarked on a presidential bid for the 2000 election, was a college student during the fabled 1967 Summer of Love, when the Beatles song "All You Need Is Love" became a youth anthem and thousands of students dropped out and turned on in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury. "We were told that traditional values don't matter � to trash authority, to occupy buildings," Quayle said. "We are paying a heavy social price for that attitude." Even some of the stars of the era think it's time to move on. "I don't think it's healthy at all," said Graham Nash, formerly of Crosby, Stills and Nash, whose song, "Chicago," is on the miniseries soundtrack. Nash is now 57 and a millionaire many times over. "But I just think that people are very reluctant to let great times go. They're reluctant to let it fade into history. I think the '60s will be the decade of the 20th and 21st century for years and years to come." With the latest round of '60s nostalgia coming to TV screens tonight and Monday, today's younger generations look upon the recycling phenomenon with a mixture of fatigue and curiosity. "Certainly today's students don't embrace the '60s," said Marc T. Short, 28, executive director of the Young America's Foundation, a conservative organization that bought former president Ronald Reagan's former ranch near Santa Barbara, Calif. But, he added, "Personally, we still love the music." "What resonates more with our generation are the folks who were involved in the struggle," said Tracii McGregor, 28, an editor at the hip-hop magazine the Source. The '60s of the love beads and day-glo, she said, "is not a history that speaks to me." But "the struggle" of the time is. Many younger people � especially young artists � regret having missed the rich cultural ferment of the time. Said rapper Chuck D, of the group Public Enemy: "The '60s are stuck on me like glue. To me they were the accumulation of the most creative period in America." For Julia Stiles, 17, who has a leading role in the miniseries, the part let her live out a fantasy. "It was inspiring," she said. "My peers, my generation is so apathetic about the political system. I don't like it, but I don't think you can do anything about it. If the young people of the '60s felt that way, change wouldn't have occurred." But for many, there is also the feeling it is time to get over the decade and move on. "I'm kind of sick of it. It's obsessive. It's overkill. It's mass marketing," said John Waltrip, 35, an illustrator of cutting-edge comics such as "Tsunami Girl." "Everybody wants to cash in on the counterculture � trying to just slap a '60s label on everything and sell it to a younger generation." "There's nothing new to be said," said Brian Grazer, a Hollywood producer of films including "The Doors," and himself a boomer. "The '60s have been done and done and done." Indeed, it may seem like the baby boomers have been reminiscing about the '60s almost since the decade ended. The music of the '60s lingered well into the '70s. "The Big Chill" (1983) and its greatest-hits soundtrack set off another nostalgic wave. Far from fading as the years pass, the backward glance of those who lived through the decade seems to grow ever more intense, romantic and � some say � one-dimensional. The idealization of the '60s is everywhere in popular culture, from advertising blurbs to Hollywood high concepts to the teenage craze for hip-hugger jeans. Two years ago, boomer Tom Hanks produced and directed a sentimental take on a Beatles-style band with "That Thing That You Do." Last year, he persuaded HBO to spend an unprecedented $60 million on a 12-part series about his own childhood obsession, space exploration in the '60s, called "From the Earth to the Moon." The music business is similarly rife with the fabled decade, starting with the endless rockumentaries of '60s bands on VH-1 to the compilations of the period's greatest hits to the remix of '60s sounds in hip-hop and alternative rock. But the new NBC miniseries may be the most unabashed nostalgic flashback of all, delivering a four-hour collection of feel-good moments, real and re-created. There are news clips of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, and Free Speech Movement leader Mario Savio shouting his righteous rage on the Berkeley campus. The clips are a backdrop to the fictional story of two American families, one black, one white, living through the social upheaval of the time. The families are seen participating in key, iconic moments, the black family patriarch facing down Birmingham Sheriff Eugene "Bull" Connor during a civil rights march, a draft card-burning son from the other family placing a daisy in the barrel of a National Guardsman's rifle. There are the Watts riots. The Chicago Seven. And, of course, Woodstock. Lynda Obst, the producer of "The '60s," sees a time � as she put it in her production notes � of "stunning innocence" and "Dionysian desire to experience and experiment and create." Through the show courses the soundtrack of the baby boom generation, already enshrined in our popular culture, from the Motown hit "Nowhere to Run" by Martha & the Vandellas to Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love" to Bob Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin'." With this sort of inundation, it's no wonder that other generations feel a bit as if they came two hours late to a really good party. Certainly older generations may find the boomers' tendency to dwell on the past a little mystifying. "I don't think we ever looked back at our generation," said Edwin Guthman, 79, a World War II veteran who served in the Justice Department under Robert F. Kennedy. "The thing that we shared in common was that almost everyone had served in combat. No matter where we went � the European, the Asian theater � you saw this terrible destruction of the lives of people. I think if there was anything we came back with, it was a sense of not wanting to see that happen here." But, Guthman continued, there is good reason to remember the '60s. "I think the '60s is a unique decade. It starts on an optimistic note with John F. Kennedy's election and the idea that a new generation was here. . . . As it progressed, the sense of this was less and less, and it became very divisive in the country." David Hilliard, a former leader of the Black Panthers, was a consultant on the NBC miniseries. "To me the '60s are still very real," he told a recent news conference for the program. "Mass unemployment, homelessness, the situation where crime is totally taking over and devastating most of our cities [now]. There's a lot of things we fought for in the '60s that are still pretty much relevant today." The '60s were a time of significant social change, the beginning of profound political and cultural shifts whose effects are keenly felt today. The decade marked the maturation of the civil rights movement, the rise of feminism and an across-the-board challenge of the status quo, from the Vietnam War to sexual mores to fashion choices to the nuclear family. But academics bemoan the fact that the current nostalgia tends to distort the period, rather than explain it. "It's discouraging to me that 30 years later we haven't gotten out of the conventions that were established 25 years ago," said Bruce Kuklick, a historian at the University of Pennsylvania. "I'm one of the baby boomers, I lived through the '60s. And worse than living through it is having to live through it in this way. It has become so heroically conventionalized. As a historian, I think we're just beginning to see that the decade was more complex, more ambiguous than all of these popular renderings would lead us to believe." Others see the nostalgia as nothing more than naked commercialism, a cynical bid to manipulate symbols of the past to attract boomers and their children to buy cars and tune in during the all-important February sweeps, whose ratings determine ad revenue for the rest of the year. Said Gitlin: "There's a calculation, no doubt supported by market research, that says the masses are ready for a retrospective. And no doubt they're hustling after young audiences." Whatever the motivation, there is little evidence that the baby boomers seem ready to relinquish their memories to those of the next generation. And if that's the case, it might be best to settle in for another couple of decades of nostalgia. Said Gitlin: "There's no limit built in to this. In 2010? We'll have the '60s dance with walkers, the light show with specially enhanced large type. There will be Woodstock with Roman numerals." � Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company <Picture> Back to the top ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Time http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/archive/1994/940523/940523.essay.htm l ESSAY NO, QUAYLE WAS WRONG BY MICHAEL KINSLEY Dan Quayle claims vindication. No, he hasn't discovered that potato really has an e after all. But in his just-published memoir, Standing Firm, he does insist that the world has come his way on the question of family values and Murphy Brown. Even Bill Clinton, Quayle observes, has said "there were a lot of very good things" in Quayle's famous speech on the subject. Quayle still apparently harbors the ambition to become President - as well as the slightly different ambition to be taken seriously. Since the Murphy Brown speech was Quayle's most important - indeed only memorable - policy initiative as Vice President, it is key to both these ambitions. If Richard Nixon can be buried in glory, there may be no dead reputation America's political culture cannot bring back to life. Spin doctors perform miracles far beyond the capacity of their medical counterparts. Others besides Quayle have asserted in the past two years that "Dan Quayle was right" all along. Perhaps the revisionist trickle will turn into an unstoppable flood. But let us at least keep a finger in the dike. It's true that the reference to Murphy Brown was just one short passage in a speech devoted to the importance of family values, and it's true that most of what Quayle had to say on that larger subject is unobjectionable. "It's time to talk again about family, hard work, integrity and personal responsibility. We cannot be embarrassed out of our belief that two parents, married to each other, are better in most cases for children than one." Pshaw. Who would even attempt to embarrass anyone else out of such mild beliefs - especially with that squeamish qualification, "in most cases"? In fact, no one objected to Quayle's praise of personal responsibility and the two-parent family at the time. To call President Clinton, as Quayle does, a "convert" to such bromides is preposterous. To be sure, the past couple of years have seen a growing fashion of blaming illegitimacy for everything from urban crime to the North Korean nuclear bomb. But even in ancient 1992 it required no courage to endorse "family values." No, what made Quayle's speech newsworthy at the time was his attempt to blame Hollywood (and, elsewhere, "the turbulent legacy of the '60s and '70s") for the breakdown of family life in the ghettos. That's why the Murphy Brown passage - criticizing the fictional TV reporter for having a baby out of wedlock - got so much attention, as Quayle knew it would. Speaking in San Francisco shortly after the L.A. riots, Quayle was attempting to deflect any blame away from the Reagan-Bush Administration that had been in putative charge of the country for 11 years. But more than that: the attack on Murphy Brown was supposed to be a shot in the conservative cultural war. Coming just as the 1992 presidential campaign was heating up, it was supposed to be that year's contribution to the classic Republican "us" vs. "them" strategy - "us" being the silent majority, the middle Americans, patriots; "them" being liberals, artists, Hollywood, flag burners and so on. The passage of two years has not vindicated Quayle's Murphy Brown salvo.The proof is in his own book. It's not just that Bush and Quayle lost the election. It's not just the current emphasis on welfare as the source of all evil in the underclass. (If welfare is the cause of single motherhood and cutting off welfare is the solution, what does Murphy Brown have to do with anything?) Even Quayle now distances himself from the cultural war. The clearest expression of cultural-war politics was Pat Buchanan's speech at the 1992 Republican convention in Houston. Buchanan even used the term itself. In his book, Quayle endorses the view that Buchanan's speech was a political disaster. He implies that he thought so at the time. He notes primly that in his own speech he used the term "cultural divide" instead of "cultural war," and insists that this is a crucial distinction. But immediately after Buchanan's address, Quayle was interviewed on CNN and called it "a great speech." He said, "As a matter of fact, Marilyn and I were talking about it afterward. It was just the kind of speech we had hoped for." There are only two possibilities here. Either this comment is exactly the kind of mindless gushing that stamped Quayle with the image of an idiot - which he claims is unjustified - or what he said reflected his considered views on the subject. Which is it? Well, I don't think Quayle is an idiot. In fact, you didn't have to be an idiot to think that cultural war was a winning strategy. At the time, I also thought that Buchanan's speech was effective - chillingly effective. (And Buchanan contends that a script of the speech was cleared in advance by several Republican officials, despite their later efforts to portray him as an unguided missile.) But it turns out we were all wrong. The voters were not interested in a cultural war. What has changed in the political landscape in the two years since Quayle's Murphy Brown speech is not a return to "family values" (as if they'd ever gone away), but a panicky Republican retreat from the wilder shores of intolerance. Dan Quayle can take comfort, and even pride, in the fact that his Murphy Brown address is the best-remembered speech of the Bush presidency. Who remembers anything George Bush himself ever said? It set off a genuine debate about ideas and values, which is what Quayle wanted and is more than Quayle's boss ever managed to do. It's just that Quayle thinks he won the debate, and he's wrong. Copyright 1994 Time Inc. All rights reserved. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From http://www.zbach.com/page 17/dan quayle.htm Missing Dan Quayle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A selection of quotes from "I miss Dan Quayle". "I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." -- J. Danforth Quayle "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- J. Danforth Quayle "Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 8/11/89 "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 9/15/88 "I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 5/22/89 "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 12/6/89 "May our nation continue to be the beakon of hope to the world." -- The Quayles' 1989 Christmas card. [Not a beacon of literacy, though.] "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/30/88 "We don't want to go back to tomorrow, we want to go forward." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "I have made good judgements in the Past. I have made good judgements in the Future." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "The future will be better tomorrow." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 9/21/88 "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." -- Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89 "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a *part* of Europe." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "Public speaking is very easy." -- Vice President Dan Quayle to reporters in 10/88 "I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "When I have been asked during these last weeks who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 5/20/92 (reported in Esquire, 8/92) "Murphy Brown is doing better than I am. At least she knows she still has a job next year." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 8/18/92 "We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 9/22/90 "For NASA, space is still a high priority." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 9/5/90 "Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children." -- Vice President Dan Quayle, 9/18/90 "The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Dan Quayle may or may not make." --Vice President Dan Quayle "We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made." --Vice President Dan Quayle "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Vice President Dan Quayle "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." -- Vice President Dan Quayle ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From http://www.xmission.com/~mwalker/DQ/toptendropout.html >From the home office in Sioux City, Iowa ... Top Ten Reasons Dan Quayle Dropped Out of the Race 10. Manager at Dairy Queen wouldn't give him time off to campaign 9. Couldn't decide which Power Ranger to choose as running mate 8. Wants to devote more time to looking for Waldo 7. Has decided to run for President of Indiana instead 6. Didn't know whether or not there was an 'E' at the end of Quayle 5. Afraid that if elected, he'd have to do whatever Hillary says 4. Doesn't want to live in a house that everybody keeps shooting at 3. Scared folks might find out he's one can short of a six-pack 2. Just signed to co-star with Jim Carrey in 'Dumb and Dumber 2' 1. 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