-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy ----- As always, Caveat Lector. Om K ----- <A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:510563">Kosovo propaganda</A> ----- Subject: Kosovo propaganda From: deepshooter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 6:27 AM Message-id: <7dle8a$25n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We are being inundated with cruel propaganda in shamful attempt to justify bombing Yugoslavia. Jamie Shea, NATO spokesman, spent his entire time at the briefing trying to justify the mindless killing of Serbs with missiles hurled into Yugoslavia from hundreds of miles away. In doing so he repeatedly used standard propaganda terms such as "genocide," "ethnic cleansing," "atrocities," "paramilitary gangs," and other highly charged phrases designed to evoke emotional responses. The only facts offered to support such allegations are the pictures of burning houses and the appearance of refugees in neighboring countries. CNN was reduced to reporting such monstrous "atrocities" as seizing license plates from fleeing Albanians to prevent their return. Reports from other sources paint a different image. Neutral observers located in Kosovo report stepped up fighting between the rebels and Yugoslavian troops but no evidence of atrocities. French Defence Minister Alain Richard blamed fresh fighting in Kosovo on ethnic Albanian guerrillas. That statement prompted a visit to Paris by General Wesley Clark to contradict such information. It is becoming obvious that the "humanitarian crisis" in Kosovo has been manufactured by U.S. propagandists. U.S. officials criticize Yugoslavia for driving civilians out of Kosovo. Somebody should point out that the area is the focus of a major military action. Since U.S. leaders have announced that they could send ground troops into Kosovo, they shouldn't be surprised that the Yugoslavians are trying to establish defenses, and that civilians would try get out of the country. That the U.S. has to resort to cruel propaganda is a sign of the weakness of its position on the Kosovo conflict. Under the Clinton administration, the United States has become the leading terrorist bully in the world. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ===== Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: "octapi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 7:23 AM Message-id: <7dlfj7$bo9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I travel overseas for work. I've learned from several personal experiences over the last 15 years not to trust the national U.S. media. This coupled with the fact that the Clintons are experts at manipulating the media for their own ends, has made me very leery of this whole adventure. Over the last year, most foreign papers have been continually editorializing against America's reckless behavior in the world. Unfortunately, American's are woefully ignorant of the world around them. The average person in this country has very little perspective outside of what the government feeds them through the national media. This allows the government to basically do anything it wants by simply by demonizing someone on the 6 o'clock news. As Newt Gingrich can tell you, the Clintons are experts at manipulating the media to demonize their enemies. While we are sitting here in our comfortable homes, with the stock market at record levels, the Clintons are using our military to kill women and children in the streets of Serbia, just as the Clintons used our military to kill innocent civilians in the Sudan last year. Yes indeed. You are correct. Clinton is a terrorist. His actions are going to result in terrible consequences for America and the world. deepshooter wrote in message <7dle8a$25n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.. ===== Question: Why are we butting in to everybody else's business? Iraq I can understand, there never was a peace treaty signed so technically the Gulf War never ended. But then we go off bombing such amorphous threats as Osama bin Laden's *terrorist organization* and supposedly genocidal Serbian troops. > >Yes indeed. You are correct. Clinton is a terrorist. His actions are >going to result in terrible consequences for America and the world. The Russians so far have shown remarkable restraint. If our next target is Taiwan, will the Chinese be so lenient? I've already had to die in two wars this century, I really don't want the third time to be the charm... ===== Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: "octapi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 12:54 PM Message-id: <7dm2vv$8ta$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, the Russians have shown restraint. How long will that last? My understanding is that the average Russian is pissed as hell over what we are doing. As the Russian economy continues to disintegrate, Yelstin may figure out that a war in Europe could be just what he needs to take the people's minds off of their economic woes. Tass has reported that Russia has moved 50 tactical nuclear weapons into position. What's next? ===== Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: "octapi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 1:57 PM Message-id: <7dm6la$9n0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Short term, they are just rattling their sabers. Long term, this could create an anti-American alliance of Russia and China which could ignite another cold war. =====Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: Catherine Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 2:11 PM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Russians don't have the latest weapons, but they have one thing we don't have - a willingness to use ground troops in campaigns that will produce significant casualties. Once on the ground, men start dying, and then will we be supporting this distant war? Body bags look lousy on the evening news. We don't have the will to continue this beyond the computer-game button pushing stage. We can bomb from the Adriatic, but we can't take a house without sending in a man to get shot at. ===== Yeltsin will do nothing. But he is old and his heart is failing. And 75% of Russians believe that the US is engaged in a deliberate campaign to make their country into a third world nation (as if it isn't already). Once Yeltsin dies, anything could happen. What if Zhirinovsky (sp?) comes back and grabs power? ===== Read this: Hard-liners recruit young Russians to aid the Serb cause The Boston Globe MOSCOW - Vladimir Lokotsky likes American blue jeans, American cigarettes, and American rock music. But yesterday, he strode into the makeshift recruiting center in central Moscow to sign up to fight Americans. Before NATO began bombing Serb forces in Yugoslavia, Lokotsky, an unemployed sailor, had no reason to like, or even think much about Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. Now, Lokotsky says, he is ready to die for him. Lokotsky is one of hundreds of young Russians who, encouraged by communist and nationalist Russian politicians, have volunteered to fight against NATO on the side of the Serbs. To hear these recruits tell it, the American-led alliance's airstrikes pose a clear and present threat to Russia. ''We have to stop the advance of NATO now,'' Lokotsky said as patriotic music blared from a loudspeaker and young men in fatigues carried stacks of new uniforms and boots past a poster that read, ''The Motherland is calling you!'' ''It's only thanks to the Yugoslavs and Milosevic that NATO has not occupied Russia.'' Russia, mostly made up of Orthodox Christian Slavs like the Serbs, has struck an increasingly hawkish pose as NATO's airstrikes against Yugoslavia intensify. Yesterday, Russia expelled NATO's Moscow representatives and refused all contacts with alliance officials. Moscow called for a world tribunal to charge the NATO leaders who planned the bombing. And in an apparent display of military might, the Russian Navy sent two of its most powerful warships to sea. The saber-rattling and rhetoric has been largely for show. Russia, which will renew talks tomorrow for a $4.8 billion loan from the West with the International Monetary Fund, cannot afford to match its aggressive words with action. The same cannot be said of ordinary Russians, angered that NATO launched the airstrikes in defiance of Russia. Many people who a week ago might have had little sympathy for Milosevic have reacted to the bombing against Yugoslavia as if the airstrikes were aimed at Russia. For the second day, crowds of young men, looking for an outlet to vent their anger, have pelted the embassies of the United States and other NATO countries with eggs and bottles. Hardline politicians, sensing an opportunity to play on those emotions, have set up the recruiting centers. ''I am an Orthodox, a Slav,'' said Igor Gnusov, a professional driver who had just signed up at a recruiting center run by Russian ultranationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky. ''I am doing this out of patriotism. We have to defend Russia.'' Zhirinovsky's aides say they have collected more than 200 signatures in Moscow and 5,000 across Russia. While that claim is impossible to verify, a steady stream of recruits marched into the Moscow office, some of them veterans of the wars in Afghanistan or Chechnya. Russia's Communists and several other anti-Western parties have also started similar sign-ups. Most of those questioned knew that Russia has fought alongside Serbia over the past 150 years. Their common enemies, until now: Ottoman Turkey, imperial Austria, and Nazi Germany. ''When I am young, I love America. I love rock group Kiss,'' said Dima, a 30-year-old volunteer whose blue jeans and long hair made him look a bit like Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley, without the makeup. ''But when I turn 30, I change my mind. America force its ideals on us. I'm tired of America.'' Weary as he may be, Dima may never get to fight. For that to happen, first the volunteers have to get permission to go to Yugoslavia. Then there has to be something for them to do. Right now, said Eduard Yanglayev, an aide to Zhirinovsky, the center is looking for experienced pilots or anti-aircraft specialists. Critics dismissed the recruitment drive as an effort to derive political capital by Zhirinovsky, the once-immensely popular legislator whose national standing had fallen in polls to under the 5 percent needed by his party to win seats in parliament. Russian leaders, meanwhile, considered ways to help Yugoslavia without resorting to force or jeopardizing their chances for financial aid. A diplomatic effort was foiled yesterday when the UN Security Council overwhelmingly defeated a Russian resolution demanding an immediate halt to the airstrikes. Later, Anatoly Kvashnin, head of the Russian General Staff, declined to take a phone call from his American counterpart, General Henry Shelton. Kvashnin said there was ''nothing to discuss,'' Russian news agencies reported. Two of the most powerful vessels in the Russian Navy, the nuclear-powered cruisers Admiral Kuznetsov and Petr Velikhy, sailed from the Arctic port of Murmansk for what NTV television, quoting Defense Ministry sources, called ''exercises.'' ''Clearly this looks like a show of force,'' NTV anchorman Mikhail Osokhin commented. Many politicians want to send Yugoslavia advance anti-aircraft systems, but the Interfax news agency quoted a military expert as saying it would be ''difficult'' to get shipments to the Serbs through international blockades. Interfax quoted another source on the general staff as saying Russia could provide Yugoslavia with Moscow's satellite intelligence on NATO aircraft. Russia's parliament, which will hold an emergency session today to discuss responses to the NATO bombing, has already decided to once again postpone ratifying the 1993 Start-II treaty nuclear arms reduction. Legislators said they would propose removing a Russian peacekeeping brigade in Bosnia from under the command of a larger NATO peacekeeping force there. ''All the political forces,'' said centrist leader Vladimir Ryzhkov, ''have consolidated'' on this issue. ===== Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: "BILL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 11:56 AM Message-id: <7dln1e$6lj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There has never been a "humane" civil war and never will be. Civil wars are by nature extremely brutal with atrocities committed by both sides. The mantra - Serbs BAD - Albanians GOOD is pure propaganda for the naive public. Anyone that says he can enforce a humane civil war is either lying or an idiot. We can bomb people into submission but we cannot eliminate their bitterness and hatred. The old saying "You can drive a horse to water but you can't make him drink" is appropriate. Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] For discussion of Education, Political &Tax Reform http://home.att.net/~wmech ===== Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: "ZoRRo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 3:06 PM Message-id: <7dmchb$k3o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am from Belgrade. Propaganda works on both sides . Our propaganda is protecting our government, to raise moral(we have it enough) and of course to protect Milosevic(he is not so bad as western media try to picture him). But when I visit CNN,BBC,SKY and other inf corps on internet I dont know should I laugh or should I cry! Believe me its sad and amusing at a same time what they are doing. For example, our television had reported that "okolina Beograda je bombardovana" witch means that outskirts of Belgrade were bombed and then CNN puts that picture and with words: " Okolina, Belgrade" which means that they even dont have translator(not to mention that they dont know where Belgrade is) but they know to say that masacre on Kosovo is TERRIFYING! Can any proffesional do that and give personal opinion of something and somewhere(they dont have their reporters on Kosovo!). I never fighted or punched anybody in my life(19) but I am ready to kill with pleasure any stupid solder who was so stupid and misguided to enter Holy ground of Kosovo. Thank you all for thinking and being reasonable! Marko ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. 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