-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy ----- As always, Caveat Lector. Om K ----- <A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.politics.org.cia:42542">Hey ex-Spooks: comment on this... </A> ----- Subject: Hey ex-Spooks: comment on this... From: "Stephen H. Kawamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, Apr 6, 1999 2:27 PM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.copi.com/articles/CIAPsyOps.htm read the URL and give your objective analysis. please try to follow netiquette. thankyou. -- ----Begin Geek Code Block---- G!/O C++>$ dpu s--|-- a+ P-- L + c- W+ N++ o-- K- w PS++ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5 x R* !tv b+++ DI++ G e h-- r- y+>- -----End Geek Code Block----- ===== Subject: Re: Hey ex-Spooks: comment on this... From: "Edward Combs Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, Apr 6, 1999 2:51 PM Message-id: <7ee369$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think it is a very good way to sell books. Even if it is true I doubt that alt.politics.org.cia would be the outlet. ===== Subject: Re: Hey ex-Spooks: comment on this... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kirby Urner) Date: Wed, Apr 7, 1999 7:15 AM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm getting a lot of private emails asking a lot of the same questions -- apparently because I've been rather chatty in this newsgroup over the years. I'll answer a few of the most frequently asked: >> What's your opinion of DCI Tenet? He's an integral part of the DC scene. His job is to let the president move him around, put him in front of the cameras at NSC meetings and such, kinda like a doll. In fact, some of my colleagues have taken to calling him Chucky (some stupid movie reference) because he smiles all the time and has beady little eyes. He's also a very talented and gifted DCI. The Joint Chiefs are happy with him, as is the SSCI. We've not yet met in person (this is a vast and sprawling bureaucracy), although I do get to DC from time to time, most recently last November (some of you may have seen my post mentioning my visit to the Pentagon). >> What's your religious affiliation? If you've read Duane R. Clarridge's 'A Spy for All Seasons' (which I'd recommend to anyone interested in the spy business), you'll find the part about Mormons being a staple in CIA, good doobies and somewhat up to speed because of all their background overseas, although maybe too clutchy within their own somewhat insular network. That's not to say I'm a Mormon (actually, I'm a Friend), but I do recognize and appreciate the Mormon sense of idealism and purpose. I had some come by my house the other day and I invited them in and explained all about Quakers (lots of experience overseas as well). Later, they came back for more. >> Are you married and do you have a family? Yes, and yes. Most of this stuff and other questions you may have are answered at my website. I have a private firm through which to pursue my business ventures and a great interest in curriculum reform, given the inappropriate background and training given to most kids today (makes it very tough to recruit, let me tell you). Some of my skill at fighting oppressive regimes overseas tends to spill over into this area :-D. Actually, classroom teachers on the front lines have no time left to do the necessary curriculum reforms, and look to curriculum writers like me for guidance -- I'm one of their generals. Speaking of curriculum reform, a lot of those military pundits on TV these days, especially the retired ones, still don't know what A and B modules are -- very difficult to take them seriously or recognize them as having relevant command and control responsibilities sometimes (I have to keep pinching myself). From a CIA point of view, they're what we call NOM (deciphered elsewhere). However, I live in the Silicon Forest and work with technogeek corporations out here. Once our math centers get off the drawing boards, some of the war colleges will be the first to seriously benefit. This will bring a lot of the would-be military brass of the future up to speed and more able to synchronize their thinking with ours. See: http://www.teleport.com/~pdx4d/mathcenter.html for more on the math centers we have waiting in the wings. >> How did you get your job? I lived overseas a lot, although we were not a CIA family (many assumed we were -- especially in the Philippines, given all the great work mom was doing on behalf of ethnic minorities over there --- but we weren't). I was always an interested reader (or knew how to create interest), scored high on tests (unlike Duane, yet I've never risen to his level), and at Princeton I started to learn more about how the world works via the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs (although actually I was a philosophy major). But I didn't really start to understand the meaning of intelligence work until I got heavily into the Fuller syllabus (post Princeton). My omnitriangulation skills got a real boost from studying Fuller's 'Synergetics', a two volume work written in collaboration with E.J. Applewhite -- who happened also to be high up in the CIA for many years, retiring as deputy inspector general in the Vietnam Era (while President Johnson was in office). And Fuller's 'Grunch of Giants' (now on the web via the Fuller Institute) is pretty much required reading for anyone who works in my capacity (not all my collegues have read it -- more interested in their stupid Chucky movies I guess). And even before I met Ed, I used to write to DCIs Turner and Casey a lot, about Star Wars 'n stuff -- like I recall doing a write-up on the Centers Network, which had made some serious inroads overseas (plus I was supervising some of its everyday operations in New York City, an insider in a non-remunerative capacity) -- I'd say this was probably my first serious effort as a professional (1985). More followed. Kirby ===== Subject: Re: Hey ex-Spooks: comment on this... From: "David M. Birdsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, Apr 7, 1999 10:23 AM Message-id: <7eg6vd$n5i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stephen H. Kawamoto wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... >http://www.copi.com/articles/CIAPsyOps.htm > >read the URL and give your objective analysis. please try to follow >netiquette. thankyou. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ah yes. Mike Kelly. Whose brilliant style of discourse brought such gems as "fartknocker," "buttweed," and "dipshit" into everyday usage on APOC, and indeed he is one of the reasons why many serious posters on both sides of the "CIA" issue looked to other forums rather than suffer incessant personal attacks if one's views differed from his. Of course, if you did disagree, you were clearly a "paid disinformationist" and "CIA asset" or actually working at Langley, monitoring his rage against the machine because his views were so "dangerous." Do a search on old dejanews under his name and see what comes up. Failing that, I have a thread I saved from 1994 when I first began contributing to this group, which gives a good overview of his "objective" debating style and netiquette. I actually wonder if he ever really existed in other than a cyber sense, as he even managed to draw the ire of Ralph McGehee, a *real* CIA critic, who managed to make his arguments without resorting to profanity, attacks, disrespect, and just plain nastiness. ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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