-Caveat Lector- The below excerpts are taken from a lengthy but highly excellent and enlightening interview of David Icke by Al Martin, published in Spectrum magazine and found on Icke's website. The first excerpt is found on the third page of the 6 page internet version of this article and is followed by part of the concluding remarks. It is, I feel, the core information for the whole message, the one we need MOST to hear and heed if we are to reverse this destructive trend we find ourselves in the middle of today!
Despite it's length, (and any personal "negative" feelings you might harbor towards Icke otherwise, if any) I recommend you read the ENTIRE article, there is much eye-opening information in it, even for those who "already know" what the game is. There is also a downloadable Word doc version available in a link from the end of the series. Links to the start of the interview and the Word doc are provided below this excerpt. Let those who have ears, HEAR the message! We are running out of time!!! goldi >From "Fork in the Road: Fascism or Freedom?": "We can talk about the three-dimensional level of this conspiracy, and we should. We need to know about the Bilderberg groups and the secret societies and all that stuff. But that is not the problem. That is a symptom of the problem. That is the physical manifestation of what the state of consciousness is on this planet. How can I put this in the simplest way? Let me try this: A lot of researchers who are into the names, dates, places level of the conspiracy-which, as I say, we need to know about-they look at me, and I'm a bit of a maverick to them, and a bit strange, and I must be working for British Intelligence. Otherwise I wouldn't be discrediting all these names, dates, places stuff, that they come up with, by my talking about other dimensions and Reptilians and all this stuff. However, unless we go beyond the five-senses level of this conspiracy here-which is the names, dates, places, see, touch, taste, smell-we are never, ever going to bring it to an end. Absolutely impossible. By trying to bring down the conspiracy, by focusing on five-sense changes, the five-sense world, it is like me standing in front of a mirror, not liking my hairstyle. But instead of grabbing a comb and changing it, so that the reflection reflects a different hairstyle, I go to the mirror and start trying to change my hair on the mirror. It's impossible! And what this five-sense world is, is a reflection of another level of all of us, another level of consciousness of all of us. It's that level of consciousness-looking at self in the face, in the mirror. This is why, Rick, although they prefer five-sense conspiracy researchers would not exist, that would be nicer, they're not that desperately concerned about it, because they know that, if you focus on changing the five-sense world IN the five-sense world, nothing is going to bloody change. So, when people look at me and they say: "Oh, you shouldn't be talking about this Reptilian stuff, and these other dimensions; you're discrediting my five-sense information on the Kennedy assassination" and all this kind of stuff, I would suggest, humbly, that they are missing the point here. A friend of mine, Guylaine Lanctot, who is a former Canadian doctor, who was struck-off for telling the truth about the Medical Mafia [she is the author of the daring book The Medical Mafia And What The Hell Are We Doing Here, Anyway? that has helped to open a lot of eyes to the "business" of medicine], she talks about the black sheep and the white sheep, and then the next level, which is a multi-dimensional understanding. She talks about the white sheep as the vast majority of people who just follow the one in front, without question, and don't question anything they're told, basically, and just accept that if they've been told it, it must be true. Those are the white sheep. Then you have the black sheep. And they're the ones who rebel against the system that controls the white sheep. But they're still rebelling from a five-sense perspective. And so, the black sheep, they're rebels; they're conspiracy researchers; they are people who campaign on the environment; they're people who campaign against third-world debt, and all this stuff; quite right, too. But, they're still doing it within the five-sense reality. So, they are black sheep, yes, but they're still sheep, because they still bought the illusion. They're still looking in a mirror and believing that it's real, and not just a reflection of something higher and deeper. So, if you try to change the five-sense world in a five-sense way, then you might as well just pack it in, and go and do something else, because you're never going to do it. We have to realize, I would suggest, that to change the reflection in the mirror, the five-sense world, we have to change what's being reflected, and that is our consciousness, our higher consciousness. What the Illuminati do-and I've gone into this in the new book-they want to hold us in five-sense reality. They want to hold us in a state where, when we look through our eyes, what we're looking at we accept as real, and not just a reflection-it's real; it's what is; this is it; this is the world. They do that in many ways, over the years of course. Not least through things like the Inquisition, they have sought to kill or ridicule anyone who has talked about the infinity beyond the five senses. If you look at the religions, they may talk about spirituality, but the mainstream religions, basically, are about five senses. There's no talk about other things. You look at the way they operate; they are five-sense entities. And they have sought to kill or isolate or suppress those in history who have talked about, and circulated information about, the fact that the five-sense world is not all there is. Because they want to hold us in the five-sense illusion, and get us to believe it's real. Because they know that nothing will change if we try to change it within the five-sense reality, which is just a tiny, tiny frequency range, accessible by our five senses. That's all it is. Infinity lies beyond those vibrational walls. They don't want us to access that, because once you move the focus of your consciousness from within the five-sense frequency range, out of it, suddenly, instead of being in the prison cell, or in a room and believing it to be all that exists, because that's all you've ever known, suddenly you're looking from a much higher level at what you're in. And you realize, as your consciousness pulls back, symbolically, that the room you are sitting in, that you thought was everything, is actually right in the middle of a big prison that has big walls around it, and barbed-wire over the top. And you go: "Whoa! It's a prison." Why? Because you've moved the focus of your consciousness from the five-sense world, out beyond it, and you're looking through the same eyes, but you're not looking at it through those eyes from the same point of observation. You're now observing it from a much higher level, which is outside the five-sense frequency range. And so, suddenly, you can see it for what it is. They know this! And so, they're trying to hold the focus of our consciousness, our point of observing this world, to a level that is WITHIN this world, WITHIN this frequency range. No wonder so many people in that state believe what they're looking at is real! And so, we also have, of course, the vaccines. We have the aspartame, which was given to us, thank you very much, by Donald Rumsfeld, if you look at the background. [See the Rumsfeld connection to the Aspartame story elsewhere in this issue of The SPECTRUM.] You have all of these chemicals in food, food additives, etc. You have a society that is based constantly on stimulating the five senses, stimulating through sight, stimulating through hearing, music, television, movies, stimulating through taste, fast food, this taste, that taste, monosodium glutamate to manipulate the taste buds. All this stimulation of the five senses, that the whole society is based on, is designed to hold our focus, the point at which we observe this world, WITHIN this world. And to isolate, suppress, condemn, or ridicule those who say: "Hold on! This world is just a tiny frequency range. Infinity lies beyond it-an infinity of possibility, an infinity of knowledge, an infinity of understanding." And so, when you move your consciousness, the point from which you are observing the world, from WITHIN the world to OUTSIDE it, and you start to look into it, then you are IN the world, physically, through your body, but you're not OF it. And therefore, you see it in a totally different way than does someone who's in it AND of it. This is the very foundation of the whole Illuminati game. It is to imprison infinite consciousness, or an aspect of infinite consciousness, in a five-sense illusion. If you take the analogy of the matrix, in the movie The Matrix, the foundation of that movie, in terms of, it was a computer-generated dream world. Leave the computer out of it. This is about MIND. But it IS an artificially generated dream world. This world is here so that consciousness can look itself in the face, can observe itself. We're not even talking here about changing this world from an illusion to a reality. We're talking about changing this world we call the world, from an illusion that is a prison, to an illusion that is a paradise. It will still be an illusion, because it will still be a reflection. Now, if we want to change an illusion that is a prison, to an illusion that is a paradise, the illusion is a reflection of us. So, if we live, individually, in a state of inner-imprisonment, inner-limitation, inner-fear, inner-"I can't", inner-"I could never", inner-"What do I know?"-then the reflection must be the world we live in now. We can change ourselves so that we realize that we are not just an aspect of infinity, we ARE infinity! Because wherever you stand in infinity, you're in the center of it. And you start to realize that we are incarnate genius that has been manipulated to forget it. Then we start to reflect THAT in the mirror we call the five-sense world, and the five-sense world changes! This is not a case of fighting the Illuminati. It's not a case of fighting Bush and fighting Blair and fighting all these other people. It's about thinking them out of existence. Thinking the world they have created, through us, out of existence, would be a better way of putting it. And unless conspiracy researchers-and good luck to them, I hold my hand up to them. Anyone who does this stuff, I hold my hand up to. But unless they start to realize that they are investigating an illusion, and start to realize from where that illusion is generated, then they'll just get more and more angry, and more and more frustrated, because the world ain't gonna change. You don't change a mirror by changing the mirror. You change the mirror by changing what's being reflected." And from the concluding page: "But I would say this: I keep hearing from people that we must stand for freedom, we must fight for freedom. I don't think so. I don't agree. If you start fighting for freedom, then you are playing on the five-sense playing field. We don't have to fight for freedom. We just have to be free, which is a completely different way of looking at it. Just be free! What does that mean? We QUESTION everything that we're told. We DO what we believe to be right, not what we believe people around us will find acceptable, or agree with. We just LIVE our lives in freedom. I think this, therefore I am going to live my live on the basis of what I think. And I'm going to do on that basis of what I think, rather than on what I think other people will find acceptable around me because it's different than what they believe. It's a matter of BEING free. And that's a state of being. It's not a doing, it's a state of being. And once you get into that state of being free, and not allowing anything to stop you being free, then you create, you project an energy field, a thought-form around you, a state of being, that allows you to be free. One of the things that people have said to me is: "Why are you still alive?!" When I've traveled around America, talking to conspiracy researchers and whistle-blowers-and good luck to them, I hold my hand up to them-again and again I hear them talking about "Oh, I don't know how much longer I'll be allowed to do this" and "My goodness me, I don't know what the consequences are going to be". And that's great, because they have a fear of consequences, but they're doing it anyway. That's what we call courage. But there is a STATE OF BEING beyond courage, which is not being in fear. Courage is overcoming fear. If you're not in fear, you don't need courage. You just don't need it. You just do what you believe to be right. There isn't any courage to it, you just do it because it's right. And when people say to me: "How come you're still alive?" It's because it's not my reality that I won't be. It's not my reality that what I'm doing can be stopped. It's just not my reality. Remember, Rick, this physical, five-sense world is a mirror of our consciousness; that's all it is. If I do not allow a connection between my consciousness and the consciousness of those who wish to stop me, to the point where I don't allow them the power over me by even contemplating the possibility of my being stopped-in other words, I don't allow them to make a connection with me, on a consciousness level-then they cannot possibly connect with me physically. It's not possible. What I'm saying is, it's like, if I'm looking into a mirror, just me, there's nothing that can make a connection with me, in the mirror. Only if I allow someone from the Illuminati to stand next to me, and grab me by the throat, can that mirror reflect Illuminati control over me. I don't know if I'm making any sense. Martin: Oh, absolutely. Clear as a bell. Icke: If we don't allow them to connect with us on a conscious level, we don't let them in, we don't even contemplate the possibility that we can be stopped or that we can face consequences of an unpleasant kind, there's nothing they can do, in physical reality, because they can't make a connection with us in a mirror, if they've not made a connection at the point of what's being reflected. They can't do it! This is the power we have! This is why they have worked so hard to pull out of circulation, suppress, ridicule, and condemn this knowledge of the power we have. It was kind-of funny, Rick, when I first came to America, and traveled extensively for three months in 1996. I kept meeting whistle-blowers, and they were all talking about the consequences. I feel, on the level we're talking now, that what happened to William Cooper was inevitable. Martin: Yes, it was. Icke: It was inevitable because Bill talked constantly about, from what I read and saw anyway, about consequences. Martin: Well, he was always saying "They'll never take me alive!" Icke: Yeah, so they didn't. Again, "They'll never take me alive!" That is letting in the thought-form, the connection, that they will take him, or they could take him. Once you let that in, you are making a connection, you are allowing that potential scenario to manifest in your consciousness. Once you do that, it can manifest physically. Martin: I agree. Thoughts are things. Icke: And so I would say, and it comes from the heart, I really respect anyone who does this stuff and exposes this stuff in the environment that we're in at the moment, particularly at the moment. Don't let into your consciousness the fraction of possibility that anything can happen to you of an unpleasant nature, or that anything could ever stop what you do. Because if you maintain that kind of positive affirmation, they can't stop you, because they can't make a physical connection." 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