The Catholic religion, as are most other so-called Christian religions, are NOT the people of the God of the Bible. They are as every bit riddled with the occult mystery religion as was Babylon, Assyria, Jerusalem, and Egypt. The Mass is an un-biblical tradition, a tradition of man, not God. Just as is Christmas, Easter sun-worship, etc.
Although they act in the "name of a god", they act on thier own.
As for New Age, it is just the same old mystery religion, wrapped in modern trappings.
Nazism? Steeped in the occult and supported by the Roman Catholics.
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Zuukie, your argument can be easily taken the other way in that those that claim monotheism are out to trump all others. I think a lot of evidence would weigh on that side.
How about history in the Torah?
Such as the monotheistic Hebrews committing genocide against the Amalekites, killing men, women, children and at times splitting open pregnant women like coconuts, all in the name of a "monotheist" deity.
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1Sa 15:3
More slaughter of innocents, "And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." Deuteronomy 2:34
"And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city ..." Deuteronomy 3:6-7 Well we could go on and on, you probably get the picture. Pretty high morality.
I won't mentally strain any here with the well-known history of Vatican "monotheism" which committed atrocities Nazis would cringe at!
More monotheistic "morality"? Let us look at the Catholic "Mass".
The height of its sacerdotal liturgy is the public blood ritual and cannibalisation of their alleged deity. To eat their lords flesh and to drink his blood.
It is not permitted for one to see this as mere symbol (if that in itself were not horrid enough!) In accord with their Canon Laws, if you say that this is not the real blood and real flesh of deity you are a cursed being, a heretic worthy of death.
"If any one denieth that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue; let him be anathema." The Catholic Council of Trent (1545-1563) hurled 125 anathemas that is, eternal damnation and curses, at heretics.
So we have this brutal public blood ritual and cannibalism which occurs thousands of times a day in the US alone. It is enacted in its most prominent cities and towns and supposedly represents mans highest liturgical ritualistic act, the supreme expression of devotion to deity.
With this type of tribal superstition at the core of its highest sacerdotal ritual, one can only wonder how a supposedly thinking, rational person could possibly write Catholic monotheism and morality in the same line as you do Zuukie?
Yet whilst men gaze and appear transfixed by this crass superstition, on the other hand we have muck-raking pseudo "Conspiracy Researchers," claiming to probe some dark, secretive and evil ritualism of, say the Masons, in their scattergun hit-and-miss rumour mill oft laden with lies and innuendo producing shadows which they fray at like apoplectics. I tend to see something wrong with this picture and something quite inconsistent with such "research".
What is the relevance of New Age-ism? Not much really in the big picture. Just another bogyman of the establishment clerics. The clerico-fascists couldn't exist without their big devil and little imps to frighten the flock into their arms.
New Age thinking is inherently opposed to science and reason, thus it has always been open to intellectual fraud, mysticism, and fanatical conspiracy claims.
Fascist ideas about such concepts as race and nation have always been steeped in monasticism, mysticism and pseudoscience. Today, with the advance of the racism and paranoid conspiracy claims of contemporary neo-fascism, networks like New Agers are ripe for the picking.
Ultimately, however, what is disturbing is not so much the possibility that increasing circles of the groups like New Age will embrace neo-fascism, as it is the apparent ability of neo-fascism, like a mycelium in the psyche, to continue to expand throughout increasing sectors of society.
Dave.
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- I hope to post more on Solana. New Age is a lot more than crystals and channeling. New Age is one world government and one world religion, a utopian push that began around the turn of the century over 100 years ago. The things you mention are tied to one world religion where the idea is to move the followers of monotheistic religions in the direction of �spirituality� instead of morality. That way people can feel �special� even though they are not acting in a moral way. That way a forced common �spirituality� will be welcomed among the followers of monotheistic religions. As Mortimer Adler wrote, there can�t be a one world government unless there is a common culture, and the monotheistic religions are not acceptable whereas the Eastern ones are. You can bet your last dollar that there is a New Age push in all of the monotheistic religion establishments. Again, see the book Modern Fascism by Gene Veith. I used Lin dsey, among other sources, because others need to realize that there are truths in all people who use a form of propaganda. That�s why propaganda works.
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- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Sutherland
- Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:02 PM
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Subject: Re: [CTRL] Solana, the EU and religion
- Javier Solana Madariaga is a Roman Catholic Spaniard who bears the name of one of the founding members of the Jesuit Society. His lack of any moral compulsion is indicative of his eulogy of Jesuit trained graduates and that adage that Jesuitism is best held in contempt for, "the end justifies the mean".
- There is nothing New Agey about Solana. He's not out to convert the world with baubles, bangles and magic crystals. He likes bigger toys, like cluster bombs.
- His allegiance is to the Vatican. All the recent and near recent past wars in Europe have successfully enlarged the lebensraum of the "Holy Roman Empire," once run by the papacy and its obsequious feudal lords. You have lived to witness its revival.
- That's not to say that papal clericalism does not produce good atheists and very bloody atheists. Look at the French Revolution, hundreds of years of religious despotism. France, the alleged "eldest daughter of the Holy Roman Catholic Church," its violent revolution was a clear example of the bloody outworking of a papal dominated society.
- BTW - I would never quote (below) anything from people like "Hal Lindsey," as reliable. The guy is a complete halfwit and liar and has demonstrated time and again to be a substandard interpreter of the times, or to use his own Zionist-Xtian gobshyte, he is a FALSE prophet.
- Dave.
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- From: "Zuukie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:54 AM
- Subject: [CTRL] Solana, the EU and religion
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- >
- > I am sending this piece in plain text because of the size. I hope you
- > will cut and paste the sites and follow thru on the material, as tedious
- > as it may be. If you do, you will be way ahead of the crowd that is
- > waiting for others to tell them what is happening.
- >
- > Why am I sending this? The European Union is growing and may surpass the
- > US in power. This can affect the military decisions and economic
- > position of the United States. (Read jobs and military decisions.)
- > Cooperation with the EU and Solana will cause cultural changes which
- > will affect monotheists. The European Union is taking a pro-Palestinian
- > stand. (Strange as the coincidence may seem, Hitler attempted to
- > destroy the Jews first because they were the smallest group.) Javier
- > Solana is the key player in European Union activities. There is very
- > definitely a New Age political face to this power...growth of a single
- > governmental power, dislike of monotheism and the morality it promotes.
- > Sounds like another movement that grew in the 20's and '30s. Many who
- > read this would like to see monotheistic religion dropped as a
- > determinant of a culture's morality. I can only remind them that power
- > corrupts.
- >
- > Constance Cumbey has been following Solana's activities since 1995. She
- > recently called attention to an important statement by Solana.
- >
- > This is the story on which the email subject line and the following two
- > comments are based:
- >
- > http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,165132,00.html
- >
- > It should be interesting to see how Solana and company want to settle
- > the situation in the Mideast without taking Judaism and Islam into
- > account. Probably all will be told you can have your rituals and
- > spirituality in public, but keep your own morality in your house, behind
- > closed doors if it is in disagreement in any way with what the decreed
- > public morality is ordered to be.
- >
- > 1. This is a transcript of AM broadcast at 08:00 AEST on local radio.
- > EU says US letting religion drive its foreign policy
- > AM - Thursday, January 9, 2003 8:03
- > LINDA MOTTRAM: America and its allies continue to prepare for a war in
- > Iraq but Europe is attempting to assert its position more strongly with
- > the EU's foreign policy chief accusing the US of letting religion drive
- > its policy on Iraq and terrorism.
- >
- > The European Union's High Representative on Foreign Policy, Javier
- > Solana, made the comments as the German media reported that UN weapons
- > inspectors have failed to find proof of US assertions that Iraq has
- > resumed production of biological weapons.
- >
- > Rafael Epstein reports.
- >
- > RAFAEL EPSTEIN: When President George W. Bush described Iran, Iraq and
- > North Korea as an axis of evil, it failed to impress the continent where
- > such a phrase has historical resonance.
- >
- > EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana says the choice of language of the
- > two sides of the Atlantic is revealing.
- >
- > He says the US tendency for its foreign policy to swing between going it
- > alone and working with bodies like the UN is a tendency that now more
- > than ever is being swung by religion.
- >
- > He says the US is increasingly looking at things in a religious context.
- > He told the Financial Times newspaper, the US stance is "all or nothing,
- > for us Europeans it's difficult to deal with because we are secular. We
- > do not see the world in such black and white terms."
- >
- > That contrasts with his words immediately after the September 11 attacks
- > when he offered Europe support with a qualification.
- >
- > JAVIER SOLANA: A blank cheque, we'd never have given a blank cheque to
- > anybody as far as Europe is concerned. That the American people, the
- > American government, the American Institutions, they know, that they can
- > count on the European people, European institutions, European
- > governments.
- >
- > RAFAEL EPSTEIN: Europe appears unable to muster enthusiasm for a war.
- > Today, a German newspaper, Die Tageszeitung, claims the UN's chief
- > weapons inspector Hans Blix, will reject many of the claims made by the
- > UK and US governments against Saddam Hussein.
- >
- > The paper says, UN inspectors have failed to find evidence of claims
- > that Iraq has resumed production of biological warfare agents at key
- > sites.
- >
- > And with Greece now in control of the EU's rotating presidency, their
- > foreign minister, George Papandreou has announced he'll visit seven Arab
- > states in February. A time when the weapons inspectors will have
- > reported to the Security Council and the US could be building support
- > for a war.
- >
- > Mr Papandreou says all possible hope for a peaceful settlement has not
- > been exhausted.
- >
- > GEORGE PAPANDREOU: We very much want to see that we can follow, we can
- > have a positive development with Iraq.
- >
- > That is the full implementation of the UN resolutions and I think this
- > is what will guarantee that we will have peace. So we certainly would
- > like to get that message across.
- >
- >
- > Transcripts on this website are created by an independent transcription
- > service. The ABC does not warrant the accuracy of the transcripts. ABC
- > Online users are advised to listen to the audio provided on this page to
- > verify the accuracy of the transcripts.
- >
- >
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- > 2. Solana's 'Theory of Relativity'
- > Hal Lindsey's commentary
- > Posted: January 9, 2003
- > 1:00 a.m. Eastern
- >
- > � 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
- >
- >
- > I was fascinated to read a report in the London Financial Times
- > explaining why it is that our erstwhile European allies seem to be on
- > the opposite side of any equation in which the United States is a
- > factor...... Solana's view of European morality, there are no absolutes
- > because God is irrelevant, if he exists at all. Therefore, there is no
- > good or evil. Everything is relative. The notions of "good" and "evil"
- > are simply religious superstitions that the "mature societies" of Europe
- > have long since abandoned.
- >
- > Solana pooh-poohs the Bush administration notion that terrorism is the
- > overriding threat to international security and order. He scoffs at the
- > Bush administration's refusal to deal directly with Yasser Arafat, for
- > example, simply because Arafat is a terrorist.
- >
- > It is because of Bush's religiosity, together with the influence of the
- > Jewish lobby that keeps America from solving the Middle East peace
- > question. "We just have a very different political analysis over how to
- > deal with Arafat . where we try to pursue engagement rather than
- > isolation," says Solana.
- >
- > Solana's political solution is to view Arab terrorism as a cry for
- > political legitimacy. Israel's unwillingness to allow the Arabs to be
- > "legitimate" by destroying them is based in religion, not survival. It
- > is truly amazing that some 6 million Israelis are able to deny
- > approximately 120 million Arabs political legitimacy.
- >
- > Where is Solana's head when al-Qaida states openly that it is really an
- > Islamic war against Christians and Jews? Is he completely ignorant of at
- > least the last 100 years of Middle East history?
- >
- > Solana and all of his sophisticated Europeans need to remember that it
- > was "the religiously driven American morality" that caused us three
- > times in the last century to come to their aid and save their bacon -
- > World War I, World War II and the "Cold War."
- >
- >
- >
- > In any case, it goes a long way toward explaining why America and Israel
- > find themselves increasingly isolated in an increasingly hostile world.
- >
- > Israel and America are the only two nations on earth who claim their
- > right to exist was granted them by God. That offends the secular
- > humanist architects of the European superstate.
- >
- > Apparently, it offends them even more than the terrorists' claim that
- > their right to threaten their very existence was granted them by Allah.
- >
- > It isn't all religion that Solana finds offensive. Only the
- > superstitious American Christians and the evil Zionist Jews......
- >
- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
- > ---
- > THE FOLLOWING ARE SIGNPOSTS WHICH CAN BE USED TO JUDGE THE GROWING POWER
- > OF SOLANA AND THE EUROPEAN UNION. GO TO THE SITES TO SEE THE ENTIRE
- > STORIES.
- >
- > 1.Draft Charter for Europe Points the Way to a Bigger World Role
- > October 29, 2002, Tuesday
- > By PAUL MELLER
- > Foreign Desk - 519 words
- >
- > BRUSSELS, Oct. 28 - A draft constitution for an enlarged European Union
- > was unveiled today, pointing the way toward creating a greater European
- > presence on the world stage. But as it heads there, Europe has to decide
- > on a name.
- >
- > The draft document was prepared under the leadership of Val�ry Giscard
- > d'Estaing, the former president of France. It seeks to raise Europe's
- > profile by proposing common foreign, security and defense policies.
- >
- > These policies are now handled by national governments. Britain and
- > France, for example, sit on the United Nations Security Council, but the
- > European Union is not a member of the United Nations.
- >
- > Eastward enlargement of the 15-nation union was the main factor that
- > prompted the review of the European Union's constitution. In 2004, the
- > union is expected to take in 10 new members, largely from the former
- > Soviet bloc to the east, almost doubling its size.
- >
- > With about 445 million citizens, the European Union will have a much
- > larger population than the United States, something the drafters of the
- > constitution want reflected in its role in international affairs.
- >
- > The draft constitution leaves many of the questions it poses unanswered.
- > The 15-page document is little more than a skeleton containing chapter
- > headings.
- >
- > The debate about its final shape will continue through to next summer,
- > when a final version will be handed over to heads of state for
- > ratification.
- >
- > The draft constitution examines the role of the European Union's foreign
- > policy chief, currently Xavier Solana, with a view to elevating the
- > position to the level enjoyed in the United States by the secretary of
- > state.
- >
- > It also suggests creating an elected president for the union and a
- > Congress of the Peoples of Europe, consisting of members of both
- > European and national parliaments.
- >
- > The expansion of the European Union will require new ways for the
- > organization to operate internally. The draft constitution seeks to curb
- > member states' rights to veto important union decisions.
- >
- > ''There'll be very few cases left'' that require a unanimous vote, Mr.
- > Giscard d'Estaing said at a news conference last week after a meeting
- > with European heads of state.
- >
- > Then there is the question of what Europe plans to call itself. The