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Subject: Re: [Conspiracy-Theory] The Real Power Behind Zionism - Its Political Roots (a Jesuit Escatology?)
 
 
Whilst I initially respond to Mr Gottfried on the 'Conspiracy-Theory' forum, this is not intended as a 'religious' post as such.

Initially, I believe Mr Gottfried mistakes what is the idyllic milieu of "Christianity" in the New Testament, for its baptised pagan counterpart. NT Christianity sought to re-invigorate the world with the knowledge of god and the teachings of the Torah. They perceived Jesus as the living proof and embodiment of the Torah.
"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he (Jesus) expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24:27 

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:18

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail". Luke 16:17
In the Gospels, the word "law" generally refers to the Mosaic law or the entire Old Testament.
 
The dynasty of the pagan popes is the succession of pagan Rome's Caesars. Popery has nothing to do with Christianity, rather it is it destroyer. They even murdered English bible translators.

The conspiracy lies in the fact that a political system of Caesarism masquerades as a religion and has its foot in the door in every democracy to undermine its democratic institutions with its own social and globalist agenda. Catholicism, after all means universalism or its modern equivalent: GLOBALISM.

Mr Gottfried's interpretations below of, "beast (pope) and his idol (jesus) (sic)" are quite incorrect and show a logic diminished of the meaning of the word.

It is preposterous how one could possibly take terms out of book which claims Jesus is its messiah to mean idol and the term beast being unequivocally used as a symbolical word to mean a kingdom or nation and wretch them so far astride from their contextual meaning. This would suggest that Mr Gottfried is perhaps more a sophist rather than the seed of a Hebrew sage as he purports.

The totalitarian political system of the Vatican is well demonstrated in works such as, "Communism, Democracy and Catholic Power" by Paul Blanshard. The work outlines the vast similarities between the totalitarianism of the Catholic power and Communism. Right down to minute ritualism of 'embalming' their respected 'popes'.

Like the totalitarian voice of any fascist or communist regime the papacy declares, "The church may by Divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their persons, and condemn them to the flames." -Vatican II

Blanchard's work was written circa 1951 and it contended then that the major forces that were struggling for world hegemony were Catholicism, Communism and Capitalism.

Years later, the Jesuit author, Malachi Martin reached the same conclusion with his book, "Keys of This Blood", where Martin states that the world is now certain to move into world government. The only question is, who will rule this New World Order. He says there are only three geopolitical forces with the necessary structure and power base to rule the world, Catholicism, Communism, and Capitalism. He believed the '90s would determine the victor.

Martin of course played the now very stereo-typical part of the 'rogue' Jesuit disseminating insider information, whilst he maintained the mythic notion that gods citadel, the Vatican, remained mans last best hope for a blessed future. The same role game was played by another 'rogue' Jesuit, Adam Weishaupt of the fabled Bavarian Illuminati to stir up paranoid fear about 'anti-god' forces out to destroy Christianity in an endeavour to unify religionists into a common global force against the manufactured anti-god mob.

They eventually succeeded after which they dismantled the 'godless Jew commies' to create the new fear, Islam and terrorism. The latter, whilst serving a variety of agendas, is also the millennial crusade of the papacy to convert or conquer the infidels of Islam. Today, the Religious Right (note recent inflammatory comments by American Evangelical-Zionists Falwell, Graham Jnr and et al), are the popes vociferous front-men allies and fall-guys, or perhaps fool-guys might be more appropriate.

Of course, both the aforesaid mentioned authors failed to see, or comment substantively on the influence of American Evangelicalism and the Religious Right with their nightmarish apocalyptic visions and end-time paranoia linked with a pseudo pro-Zionist agenda on American foreign policy.

The influence on modern Zionism has tendrils linked to "Christian"-Zionism. The most powerful roots of Zionism do not appear to be in "Judaism" or of the Jewish people per se. Many of the latter who themselves are opposed to the idea of a political state of Israel. It's neo-modern tendrils appear to emanate from 'Christian Zionists'.

At its simplest, Christian Zionism has been defined as 'Christian support for Zionism'. In Der Judenstaat, published in 1896, Theodor Herzl forcefully articulated the aspirations of Jewish Zionists for their own homeland.

That said,  the Zionist dream does largely appear to have been nurtured and shaped by Christian Zionists long before it was able to inspire widespread Jewish support, say in the 1940's.

At the First Zionist Congress which Herzl convened a year later in Basle, the Zionist aspiration was formulated in a call for a, 'publicly secured and legally assured homeland for the Jews in Palestine.'

At the 27th Zionist Congress held in Jerusalem in 1968, Zionism was defined in terms of five principles:
1) the unity of the Jewish people and the centrality of Israel in Jewish life; 2) the in-gathering of the Jewish people in its historic homeland, Eretz Israel; 3) the strengthening of the State of Israel; 4) the preservation of the identity of the Jewish people; and 5) the protection of Jewish rights.
Regina Sharif, "Non-Jewish Zionism, Its Roots in Western History" follows the notion that political Zionism is '...the ideological instrument for mobilizing international support for an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.' She observes how in 1975, the United Nations General Assembly passed resolution 3379 (XXX) defining Zionism as, 'a form of racism and racial discrimination.'
 
It was no longer politically correct to view Zionism as merely another national liberation movement, in this case for Jews. Uri Davis has written probably the most critical book on the realisation of the Zionist goal, entitled, Israel, an Apartheid State. Contemporary Christian Zionism is in part a reaction to this world-wide criticism.
 
Thus, in 1967 for example, following the passing of U.N. Resolution 242 in protest at Israel's occupation of the West Bank, and Palestinian Jerusalem, when the entire international community closed their embassy's in Jerusalem, the International Christian Embassy moved to Jerusalem expressly to show solidarity with Israel.
 
They and other Christian Zionists believe that the modern State of Israel, and Zionism in general, are divinely mandated, the fulfilment of God's promise to Abraham. "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." (Genesis 12:3)
 
Thus, in 'The Road to Holocaust,"  writers like Hal Lindsey could assert, 'The center of the entire prophetic forecast is the State of Israel." (New York, Bantam, 1989).

Lindsey goes on to accuse those who oppose his brand of apocalyptic dispensationalism of anti-Semitism, '...the same error that founded the legacy of contempt for the Jews and ultimately led to the Holocaust of Nazi Germany.' (back page).

Christian Zionists see themselves as defenders of, and apologists for, the Jewish people, and in particular, the State of Israel. This support involves opposing those deemed to be critical of, or hostile toward Israel. It is rare therefore to find Christian Zionists who feel a similar solidarity with the Palestinians.
 
From the religious perspective, the idea of the 'City of Zion' appears throughout the Christian era. Augustine's famous the 'City of God' enunciates the idyllic philosophy, the notion of the heavenly city of god mirrored on earth by man, awaiting the vision in the book of Revelation of the appearance of the final Heavenly or the New Jerusalem established literally on earth.
 
The part played by Jerusalem in contemporary global urbanization, together with her traditional symbolic role, and the disproportionate scale of the Arab-Israeli conflict in world politics all make Jerusalem an important world city and a major focus of world thought.
 
It may be arguable that the current happenings in the concrete worldly Jerusalem can be best understood in light of the influence of the corresponding mythical city and its attendant mythos.
 
A little appreciated and known fact circa the Reformation era, the Roman Catholic Jesuit authors began a literary war against the Reformation to promote the idea of the person of "antichrist" being Jewish and arising in Jerusalem. Antichrist is the alleged epitomic end-time figure who wages war against god, Christ and the church.
 
In 1590, the Catholic Jesuit Francisco Ribera published a commentary on the book of Revelation as a counter-interpretation to the prevailing view among Protestants which identified the Papacy with the Antichrist.
 
From its earliest chapters, the Jesuit Ribera applied the Revelation to the end time rather than to the history of the Church. The figure of Antichrist would be ".. a single evil person who would be received by the Jews and would rebuild Jerusalem". -- (cf George Eldon Ladd, The Blessed Hope: A Biblical Study of the Second Advent and the Rapture).
 
The discovery of printing and revival of learning accelerated the both the Reformation and the papacies war against it. Ladd goes on to say:
“Ribera denied the Protestant Scriptural Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2) as seated in the church of God—asserted by Augustine, Jerome, Luther and many reformers. He set on an infidel Antichrist, outside the church of God.” and “The result of his work [Ribera’s] was a twisting and maligning of prophetic truth.”
After Francisco Ribera came another Jesuit author, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) of Rome. Between 1581 and 1593, Cardinal Bellarmine published his “Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of the Christian Belief Against the Heretics of This Time.” In these lectures, he agreed with Ribera.
"The futurist teachings of Ribera were further popularized by an Italian cardinal and the most renowned of all Jesuit controversialists. His writings claimed that Paul, Daniel, and John had nothing whatsoever to say about the Papal power. The futurists’ school won general acceptance among Catholics. They were taught that Antichrist was a single individual who would not rule until the very end of time.”  -- Ralph Woodrow, Great Prophecies of the Bible.
Through a series of human channels, the Jesuit dogma of Futurism, made its way into various Protestant sects and infiltrated their denominations and thinking.

The Jesuits had turned the Protestant focus away from the papacy as the system of antichrist, back to the papacies millennial enemies and "Christ-killers," a Jew and Jerusalem as his throne of apocalyptic evil. Of course, Jews and Protestants were long held as co-arch-heretics by the papacy. Jews were accused of abetting Protestantism and Pope Pius IV confined them strictly to ghettos in Rome. He badged Jews by forcing them to wear distinctive headgear.

Inevitably, by 1970, the highly influential and multimillion bestseller 'The Late Great Planet Earth,' by Hal Lindsey came to present a standard model said to be based on his studies at an avowedly Protestant institution, the Dallas Theological Seminary.
 
Lindsey also held as a primary focus the "Secret Rapture" tenet, another Jesuit invention, this was basically the same model employed by the ongoing best selling series of novels: The Left Behind series:
1. rise of New Roman Empire as European Common Market, before 1988;
2. the establishment a world governing body led by Antichrist;
3. Antichrist sides with world government and Israel against Russia;
4. Antichrist dies of head wound, but miraculously recovers;
5. Antichrist is worshipped as a god;
6. 666 tattoo on forehead or palm established as economic mark of European Common Market;
7. rebuilding of Temple in Jerusalem;
8. Arab, other African states, and the Soviet Union attack Israel;
9. Antichrist destroys Soviet Alliance with a nuclear attack;
10. China attacks forces of Antichrist;
11. one third of world destroyed by nuclear weapons;
12. Christ returns to protect faithful, "secret Rapture;"
13. mass conversion of Jews;
14. Armageddon;
15. establishment of "atomic material" paradise for a 1000 years;
16. resurgence of Antichrist put down by Christ;
17. return of "faithful to heaven with Christ."
Lindsey's shambled prophetic predications have not prevented Christian ministries and movies like A Thief in the Night, Apocalypse, Revelation, Tribulation, and Left Behind, and their proclaiming an Antichrist who comes only after the "Secret Rapture" of the saints.
 
Many in the conspiracy consumer market have proffered various theories for the "Secret Rapture" schema of the Fundamentalists and Christian Zionists. Of these, has been the notion that it would be used as a pretext for the disappearance of political dissenters and alleged enemies of the State.
 
Whilst some commentators pronounced the mass popularity of Hal Lindsey et al as an indication of the twilight of the American intellect, the style of this paranoid dynamic of apocalyptic thought presents itself starkly: the end is always near--but never quite here.
 
In conclusion, it could be argued that the re-emergence of the political state of Israel is one that is manufactured at least partly if not considerably from the apocalyptic end-times scenarios which originated in the Jesuit schools of prophetic-propaganda against the Reformation.
 
Whilst there remained Jews who sought a Jewish homeland, the State if Israel could not have come into existence without the political power and machinations of the 'Christian'-Zionist West.
 
Since some of these forums have frequent pro and con commentaries about "Zionism," and et al, I assume that the regular contributors of such posts might feel they are more expert on the subject than myself. I would thus like to elicit any intelligent and informative comments on the matter.
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Gottfried" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: [Conspiracy-Theory] The real power behind Zionism


> Christianity the power behind Zionism
>
> In 325 CE the Roman Emperor Constantine created Christianity and established
> it as the state religion of the Roman Empire.   Christianity was assembled
> out of ancient myths, pagan traditions and statements of a world renowned
> philosopher.   The combination of elements that became Christianity was
> designed to be a religion that would as closely as possible match the
> diverse beliefs that had spit the Empire.   This is what Constatine
> conversion to his own created religion was all about......a deception to
> restore the Roman Empire.      At that time the capital of the Roman Empire
> was located in Constantople after Rome had fallen....
>
> Constantine's plan worked and eventually under the new religion Rome was
> restored.....Today we have the restored Roman Emperor in Rome who is also
> known as the pope...  There have been many divisions made in Christianity
> since but the basic religion of myths, traditions, and the statements of the
> philosopher are what Christianity is still today...   Christianity is but a
> state religion of the Roman Empire.....
>
> The Empire has had its ups and downs through the years and at times was
> nearly in complete control of the earth......In the latter part of the 20th
> century and since Rome has made great attempts to unite all Christianity
> into a renewed form of the glory days of the Roman Empire......and the tool
> used is Christianity......  Since most who are followers of the Bible can
> readily see that the bible proclaims the restored Roman Empire to be the
> final and ultimate evil.....Why can't these same followers of the bible also
> see that Rome state religion Christianity is this evil's primary tool to
> achieve its goal??
>
> In the bible there are two paths and opposing forces.....the generic view
> would be good and evil.....but the more specific is holiness and
> unholiness..... In psalm 89 and II Samuel chapter seven God defined his
> holiness in a promise....God promised on His holiness that the seed of David
> would endure forever and that David's throne would be established
> forever....that there would never fail to be a son of David to sit on the
> throne as long as the sun and the moon are in the sky......God also said
> that this promise could not be altered......That is what God has said about
> his holiness.....and now it can readily be seen that the two opposing forces
> in the bible are Christianity and the kingdom of David.....
>
> Christianity has created an idol to replace the son of David.......This
> great idol has been made to speak great blasphemies by the Rome's Christian
> priests and preachers both catholic and protestant.....Christianity has
> declared the idol to be God in defiance of God's holy promise.......You may
> say but...but isn't "jesus" the son of David???   no this idol  can't be he
> was born of an unnatural birth and has no connection with David.....many
> pagan myths have virgin born "gods"........and God stated that His promise
> can not be altered.....He stated that there would always be a seed heir to
> occupy the throne forever.....and forever is still now.....so where is this
> throne and where is David's heir????......David's heir is here now and the
> only reason Christians cannot see him is the fact that Christians now
> worship the beast and his idol and reject God's holiness.....
>
> There is proof that the pope is the beast....the pope's real name or title
> is "Vicarius Filii Dei"  meaning "in place of the son of David (also Yahvid)
> as David carries the name of God"......if one takes the Roman numerals out
> of the pope's name and add up the values the sum is 666......the beast's
> number
>
> If David's current living heir were to be recognized ....then things would
> be very different....The Jews could not take the identity of the
> Israelites......The pope and his restored Roman Empire could not rule the
> world....No one would worship the beast (pope) and his idol (jesus)......
>
> The only way to peace and security is through the current living heir whose
> name was released in 1982 by Stephen Lowell Gottfried (Yahvid) ....Even if
> you disagree with the choice of Stephen Gottfried.....you must look for the
> current heir .....Christianity is the state religion of Rome and it is the
> beast that rules the restored Roman Empire......Isaiah chapter 11 states
> that the son of David will be restored in the last days.......to regather
> Israel..... The blasphemous idol called "jesus" divides and hides the
> identity of the acutal Israelites allowing imposters to assume Israel's
> identity..... Only Israel's promised king can restore Israel.....
>
> All you folks who long for the restoration of the sons of Isaac and the
> regathering of the true Israelites must reject the blasphemous idol promoted
> by the beast and restore the son of David to the throne of Israel and the
> beginning of the new golden age of Israel will become a reality......
>
> Stephen Lowell Gottfried.....son of David
> Gottfried=Yahvid=David
>
>
>
> >Political Zionism
> >
> > Ezekiel was very accurate and used the correct term in describing modern
> >activities in Palestine as he designated the people who were opposing the
> >House of Israel and seeking to wrest their inheritance away from them.
> >Because many of the Zionists who are today in opposition to the House of
> >Israel are not actually descendants of Judah at all; some are not even Jews
> >racially or religiously, he referred prophetically to them as the
> >"inhabitants of Jerusalem."
> >
> > A Zionist is anyone, regardless of race, who adheres to the principles of
> >Zionism, particularly the principles of political Zionism. Actually,
> >Zionism is now a term describing a secular political movement the purpose
> >of which was to establish a Jewish nation in Palestine as the national
> >homeland. Not all Jews are political Zionist, nor are all such Zionists
> >Jews. Non-believers, Communists, atheists, and even some so-called
> >Judeo-Christians such as; Binny Hinn; Bill Bright; Billy Graham; Brother
> >Stair; David Lankford; Hal Lindsey (Jew); Jack van Impe; James Robison;
> >James Dobson;  Jerry Falwell; Jim Bakker (Jew); Jimmy Swaggart; John Hagee;
> >Joyce Meyers; Kenneth Copelan; Kenny  Hagin; Marilyn Hickey; Marlin
> >Maddoux; Mike Evans; Oral Roberts; Pat Robertson; Paul Crouch; Robert
> >Schuler; Dr. Wolf (Jew); David Pilinger; Berst Beach; Rod Parsley; Tom
> >Bambley; James Kennedy; J.W. Williams (nigger), Doug Batchler; Jack Graham;
> >Bill Gather; J.K. Halilton (nigger), Allan Lane, Gilbert Graham, all of
> >these could be termed Zionists because they love the enemies of Yahweh more
> >than Him.
> >
> > Dr. I.M. Rabinowitch, a prominent Jew, in "The Zionist Movement Unmasked,"
> >stated:
> >
> > "As political Zionists have repeatedly affirmed, a person, born a Jew, may
> >be an atheist and still be a loyal Zionist. Moses Hess, author of the
> >historic and economic basis of Political Zionism, was an anarchist who,
> >both in writing and on the platform propagated the theories of the Proudhon
> >school of anarchy. Theodor Herzl was a renegade Jew, who rather suddenly
> >became conscious of his Jewishness when, during his assignment by his
> >newspaper to witness and report upon the infamous Dreyfus trial, he
> >discovered that, in spite of his so-called ‘enlightenment,' he was no more
> >immune than the most observant Jew to the anti-Semitism of his day, and in
> >Tel Aviv, Palestine, the only almost completely Jewish city in the world,
> >one may see violated, flagrantly and daily, by political Zionists, most
> >fundamental Jewish laws, in complete disregard of the feelings of their
> >orthodox Jewish neighbors.
> >
> > "It is not an accident that the majority of the leaders of Political
> >Zionism are Russians (Khazars) or descendants of Russians (Khazars), for
> >this movement, except for sporadic attempts in the early centuries, had its
> >origin in Russia amongst the so-called ‘enlightened' Jews and is
> >culmination of that which the Haskalah; the so-called Russian-Jewish
> >renaissance, started. Leo Pinsker was a Russian, and Perez Smolenskin, who
> >gave to Political Zionism its philosophy in a nutshell, was a Russian.
> >There are observant Jews amongst the political Zionists; the Mizrahi, but
> >they are in a small group.
> >
> > "The aim of Political Zionism is a Jewish state. Religious Zionism is,
> >thus motivated by piety, whereas Political Zionism is propelled by a
> >material nationalism, though of different degrees."
> >
> > Mr. Benjamin Freedman, also a Jew, explained further:
> >
> > "Popular ignorance of the real basis of political Zionism is beyond
> >calculation. Vaguely most (Judeo) Christian Americans have the idea that
> >the Jews claim Palestine because it was the ‘Promised Land' in which they
> >lived for a period of a few centuries that ended 2,000 years ago. And the
> >thought of a people returning to its ‘homeland' seems emotionally
> >satisfying and good.
> >
> > "But here are facts most Americans do not know: ‘Political Zionism is
> >almost exclusively a movement by the Jews of Europe: BUT THE EASTERN
> >EUROPEAN JEWS HAVE NEITHER A RACIAL NOR A HISTORIC CONNECTION WITH
> >PALESTINE. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the ‘Promised Land.'
> >THEY ARE THE DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE KHAZAR KINGDOM, WHICH
> >EXISTED UNTIL THE 12TH CENTURY.
> >
> > "THE KHAZARS WERE (and are) A NON-SEMITIC, TURKO-FINN, MONGOLIAN TRIBE
> >PEOPLE who, about the 1st century A.D., created one of the largest kingdoms
> >of their time. At its greatest extent it covered an area of about 800,000
> >square miles. About the 7th century A.D., the King of the Khazars adopted
> >Judaism as the state religion, and the majority of inhabitants joined him n
> >the new allegiance.
> >
> > "Before that date there was no such thing as a Khazar who was a Jew.
> >Neither then nor since was there such a thing as a Khazar whose ancestors
> >had come from the Holy Land. The (non) Semitic people who established
> >Judaism in Palestine many centuries before the Khazars became converts to
> >the Hebrew faith, DID mostly emigrate from Palestine. BUT NONE OF THEM
> >EMIGRATED TO THE KHAZAR KINGDOM FOR TO THE NORTH.
> >
> > "In view of this fact, what become s of the cry for ‘reparation' to the
> >‘homeland?' these eastern European, Yiddish-speaking Jews have no historic
> >or racial connection with Palestine, or, for that matter, with the other
> >Jews who existed in other countries for thousands of years prior to the
> >Khazar conversion."
> >
> >
> >Cicero said:  "A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But
> >it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less
> >formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the
> >city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly
> >whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government
> >itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents
> >familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he
> >appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots
> >the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to
> >undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can
> >no longer resist. A murderer is less to be
> >feared. The traitor is the plague."
> >
>
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