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--- Begin Message ----Caveat Lector- As hard as it is to believe that from the very beginning a Soviet general has held ultimate responsibility for UN forces I know that it is true. That is a pretty good proof that Sutton was on the mark when he called communism a sock puppet for WALL STREET.Saddam spends obscenely on palaces for his own glorification while his people starve on an average income of $6 a week. He has 74 palaces. I think he is moral sewage --- just like the Bush family. But look around the world and his likes are running a great many countries that the UNITED STATES has no problem with. It is axiomatic that the most ruthless people end up running all countries. Their PR flacks make them look like fine people. DADDY BUSH has been poisoning his own people his entire life with narcotics yet the media make him look like our kindly UNCLE FRED. I do not like having to SUPPORT this SADDAM and UN but the only alternative seems to be allowing the slaughter of hundreds of thousands. Those who rule the world do not intend to allow us a decent alternative. Brian Quig > Sean (and Tim) > > As I explained to Tim, and I think he agreed, there are two separate issues here. The first, is there justification for the U. S. going to war with Iraq? I think we three agree the answer to that is no. > > The second issue is who is to make that decision, the U.S. or the U.N.? Sean, when you say " The era of traditional nationalism is pretty much defunct..." you are really talking about national sovereignty. Granted the direction of our current government is not only wrong, but potentially disastrous, but that is our problem as a nation. It certainly doesn't justify tearing up the Constitution and pledging allegiance to the U.N. Charter. > > You say you don't want a U.N. with dictatorial police powers. Sorry, but they already have that if we submit to their jurisdiction. The U.N. Charter was basically written by (American and Soviet) Communists. It is a mirror image of the Soviet Constitution which treats what we regard as rights as privileges granted by a benevolent government, but which can be taken away by that government. > > The U.S. Constitution on the other hand is based on a diametrically opposed premise that our rights are derived from God (or nature, if you are an atheist) and the prime function of government is to protect those rights. My opposition to the U.N is based on this political philosophical difference as well as the history of the U.N's military adventures. > > I just don't understand how one can say that a U.S. decision to go to war with Iraq is immoral and illegal but becomes both moral and legal if approved by the U.N. (Of course it would be illegal[unconstitutional] under the U.S. law of the land unless Congress makes that decision.) > > As to military operations under the U.N., if you can't extrapolate the lessons of Katanga, Korea and Viet Nam to its future operations to benefit the international bankers and corporations, then yes, you are supporting the drive toward world government (NWO). > > Following are two articles that express most of my feelings on the subjects. I went to Japan as a replacement in an Army Signal Corps battalion that lost 90% of its compliment when the Chinese were allowed to enter the Korean "U.N. police action." That may account for some of my emotional bias against the U.N. > > > > Remember Katanga! > > > � 1995 by David W. Neuendorf > > Fifty years ago today, the life work of Alger Hiss came to fruition. Hiss, a US State Department official, served the United Nations as its acting Secretary General during its founding conference in the spring of 1945. On October 24, 1945 the United Nations Charter became effective as a majority of the countries that had signed it ratified their signatures. Several years later, Hiss went to a federal penitentiary for committing perjury when testifying that he was not a Soviet agent. His personal career was over, but his most important work, the United Nations, lived on. > > Globalists everywhere are today citing the "accomplishments" of the United Nations during its 50-year life. One of the feats accredited to the UN was the reunification of the Belgian Congo by a UN "peacekeeping" force. Since most of the people I talk to have never heard of this piece of history, it seems appropriate to review it on this anniversary. > > The tragedy of Katanga started on June 30, 1960 when Belgium granted independence to its former province of the Congo. Leadership of the new nation fell to Moscow-sponsored terrorist Patrice Lumumba. Lumumba was so highly regarded by Soviet dictator Khrushchev that he renamed the Moscow "Peoples Friendship University" the "Patrice Lumumba Friendship University" upon Lumumba's death. In a directive to the heads of the Congolese provinces, Lumumba wrote that they should use "terrorism, essential to subdue the population." His directive was carried out enthusiastically. > > In order to avoid the nightmare that attended Communist rule in the Congo, the province of Katanga declared its independence. Its president, the Christian, pro-American Moise Tshombe, announced that "we are seceding from chaos." Tshombe asked Belgium to send military officers to recruit and train a Katangese army to restore order in Katanga. Lumumba and his successor, Cyrille Adoula, asked for and got the aid of United Nations "peacekeepers" to force Katanga back under Congolese rule. It took two years of UN warmaking to accomplish this goal. > > The troops transported to Katanga using US Air Force aircraft came from Ireland, Sweden, Italy, Ethiopia, and India. According to numerous eyewitness accounts, the troops of the UN's Operation Morthor carried on one of the most brutal military campaigns of our century. In their 1962 report, 46 Angry Men, the 46 civilian doctors of Elizabethville, Katanga denounced the atrocities carried out by UN troops. > > According to the doctors, the UN consistently bombed, machine-gunned, and looted civilian targets: hospitals, ambulances, churches, schools, homes, cars. "Over ninety percent of the buildings bombed and shelled by the United Nations were strictly civilian structures with no military value," said the doctors' report. After protesting the UN attacks on ambulances, Mr. Georges Olivet of the Swiss Red Cross was murdered by UN troops as he traveled in a Red Cross ambulance. > > Worse yet, if possible, was the behavior of Congolese troops supplied and transported by the UN to invade Katanga from the north. Reports of cannibalism, massacre of missionaries and other civilians, and other atrocities were rife. The passage of these UN allies left in its wake complete anarchy in place of the peace and prosperity that had formerly prevailed in that region. > > Before and during the two-year UN war against Katanga, the UN insisted that its troops had orders not to interfere with the internal affairs of the Congo or Katanga. Globalists in the Kennedy administration cooperated fully with this propaganda. The whole operation was sold to the American people as necessary to prevent the Congo from "going Communist." > > With such a legacy, the UN-boosters in and out of government ought to lie low on this fiftieth United Nations Day. They ought to be hoping that we would forget that we have been inflicted with fifty years of the UN. Instead, they are celebrating the UN's birthday from sea to shining sea. They are openly talking about increasing the ability of the United Nations to conduct "peacekeeping" operations. There is even serious talk among them of giving the UN some powers of taxation. When will we begin to learn from history? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > http://www.mikenew.com/koreatreason.html > > Treason in Korea - US betrayed by UN > > > THE TRUTH > > > By LtCol "Bud" Farrell, USAF, ret. > > When I was a young officer and jet fighter pilot flying missions in the Korean Conflict (unknowingly under the command of a Soviet General of the United Nations Security Council), I could never understand HOW THE ENEMY KNEW SO MUCH ABOUT US, as broadcast almost daily over the communist Pyongyang radio station in North Korea. > > Our wives' names, children's names, Squadron Commander names, flight numbers, etc.! The North Koreans knew when we were coming, how many of us there were, what type of aircraft we were flying and even the targets we were to hit. Later I realized that the naval and ground forces suffered the same fate that we did, especially our Army and Marine infantry troops. > > All of our military operations had to be forwarded by radio to the Soviet Commander of the United Nations Security Council at the United Nations Building, New York City, for approval before our forces went into action against the North Koreans and Red Chinese. The Soviet Commander of the United Nations Security Council delayed the battle plans until he used the radios in the United Nations Building in New York to relay all our "battle planning information" to Moscow, North Korea and Red China. > > The enemy then contacted and relayed these same battle plans to their communist forces in the field. The enemy knew when to move from an area and when to attack our smaller fighting forces. They knew beforehand when we were coming and how many of us there were. They knew everything about us all the time - 24 hours a day!!! > > I later found this same form of "treason" was used against our forces in the Vietnam War. All information regarding "every battle plan in Vietnam" was given to the North Vietnamese, Soviets (Advisors), and Viet Cong Troops in the field DURING THE ENTIRE WAR. The enemy knew our every move at all times. > > Our troops were led like sheep to the slaughter in both Korea and Vietnam. Like blind fools we sent our combat plans to the enemy for approval. > > There was a standing joke among us fighter pilots. "That Moscow had a file on each and every one of us." How little did we really know. Every mission, every movement was compromised! General Walt, former Commander of the United States Marine Corps, reflected upon this information in his book that was written in the early 1980's. This was never allowed to appear in any bookstore in the United States. During the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, thousands of our fighting men were mentally or physically incapacitated BECAUSE OF THIS TREASON! To this day, the Soviets (or someone from one of their satellite countries) are the only ones who can command the United Nations "World Police Forces". > > Each and every one of us that served in Korea or Vietnam served under the total command of a Soviet General! Here are the names of the soviets and the dates they served as "Under-Secretary of the Security Council of the United Nations," thus the highest military commander of all United Nations fighting forces anywhere in the world, INCLUDING ALL MILITARY FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES. These names and information was obtained from the United Nations yearbooks up through 1983. Later yearbooks were not available. (All listed below are Soviet Generals holding the office of "Under-Secretary for Security and Political Affairs"): > > 1946-1949 Arkady Alexandrovitch Sobolev > 1949-1953 Constantine E. Zinchenko > 1953-1954 Dragoslov Protich > 1958-1959 Antoly Dobrinin > 1960-1962 George Petrovich Arkadev > 1962-1963 Eugeny D. Kiselev > 1963-1964 Vladimir Paulovitch Suslov > 1965-1967 Alexel Efemovitch Nesternko > 1968-1973 Leonid N. Kutakov > 1973-1978 Arkadv N. Shevchenko > 1978-1980 Mikhail D. Sytenko > 1981-1983 Vlacheslav A. Ustinov > 1988- Vasiliy Safronchuk > > > "The post for 'Political and Security Affairs' traditionally has been held by a SOVIET NATIONAL is Senior Advisor to the Secretary-General." [New York Times, May 22, 1963] > > The Soviet Lt. General Alexandre Vasiliev, the Soviet Representative on the United Nations (Mini) Military Staff Committee from 1947 to January 1950, is the same General Vasiliev who took "a leave of absence from his United Nations job" and was PLACED BY THE SOVIET UNION AND RED CHINA IN COMMAND OF ALL CHINESE COMMUNIST TROOP MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE 38TH PARALLEL. > > During the Korean "Police Action", Lt. General Vasiliev received all his military information and troop movements of all United Nations forces in Korea directly from his superior, Soviet General Constantine E. Zinchenko (see above, 1949-1953), who served as Under-Secretary of the Security Council of the United Nations in New York. ALL battle plans had to be APPROVED by him AHEAD OF TIME. > > It was the traitor, President Harry S. Truman himself, who REFUSED TO ALLOW General Douglas MacArthur, the Supreme Commander of the United Nations fighting forces in Korea, to bomb the bridges at the Yalu River over which the Chinese Communist troops came by the hundreds of thousands to kill and wound our soldiers. Truman and the Soviet General in charge at the United Nations TOTALLY HANDCUFFED MacArthur in all instances. > > General MacArthur was only in command of the fighting forces in Korea, not in command of the United Nations position as "Under-Secretary of the Security Council". A Soviet General held this position of POWER AND AUTHORITY OVER MACARTHUR and all the United Nations fighting forces in Korea. THE SAME WAS TRUE FOR VIETNAM. > > When General MacArthur WOKE UP TO THE TREASON OF PRESIDENT TRUMAN and the Soviets in the United Nations, he executed one of the greatest military performances ever ventured in modern warfare. His dangerous but magnificent military engagement and sea landing at "Inchon" on September 15, 1950 enabled his military forces to slaughter the communist forces, destroy their massive supply dumps, and put the Red Chinese, North Koreans and their Soviet advisors on the run. [In other words, MacArthur kicked some ass!] > > MacArthur never asked permission from the United Nations Security Council (Soviet General Zinchenko) to perform this SECRET military operation. MacArthur hand-picked close and loyal military officers in doing so, and they kept a tight lid on the entire operation. Originally, our forces were to never win any battles as planned by the Soviet Generals in the United Nations. But General MacArthur realized the treason and took positive action not only to save the lives of his fighting forces and destroying the enemy and their supply dumps, but also creating the "turning point" of the Korean War with his success at Inchon. > > For this "positive action", General Douglas MacArthur was relieved of his command of the United Nations fighting forces in Korea by the traitor President Harry S. Truman. > > President Truman feared General MacArthur so much that just prior to General MacArthur returning to the United States from Korea, Truman hid out at Camp David for over 3 weeks in fear of being arrested by General MacArthur, who was a 5-Star General and in command of all military forces in the United States. > > This allowed the controlled press in the United States time to attack MacArthur on all fronts, even before he returned home from Korea. Big headlines in the monthly magazines of the United States described MacArthur "As like unto Hitler returning home to the Chancellery > > With cunning control of their national news outlets over the minds of the people in the United States against MacArthur. The same man who had just saved the lives of thousands of their sons with daring military moves - against the wishes of the United Nations Command, in routing the Red Chinese and North Koreans at Inchon. > > Now you know the real truth as to what really happened "behind the scenes" during the Korean Conflict between the traitor Truman and General MacArthur, the real hero! > > > * * * > GENERAL DOUGLAS MACARTHUR SPEAKS: > "I was worried by a series of directives from Washington (Truman) which were greatly decreasing the potential of my Air Force. First I was forbidden "hot" pursuit of enemy planes that attacked our own. Manchuria and Siberia were sanctuaries of inviolate protection of all enemy forces and for all enemy purposes, no matter what depredations or assaults might come from there. Then I was denied the right (by Soviet General in United Nations) to bomb the hydroelectric plants along the Yalu River. The order was broadened to include every plant in North Korea which was capable of furnishing electric power to Manchuria and Siberia." > > "Most incomprehensible of all was the refusal to let me bomb the important supply center at Racin, which was not in Manchuria or Siberia, but many miles from the border, in forwarded supplies from Vladivostok for the North Korean Army. I felt that step-by-step my weapons were being taken away from me." > > This is exactly the same type of "treason" that occurred against our military forces in Vietnam. But Vietnam was far more vile and dirty in length of time that our soldiers were betrayed. MacArthur continues on page 21: > > "That there was some leak in intelligence was evident to everyone. (Brigadier General Walton) Walker continually complained to me that his operations were known to the enemy in advance through sources in Washington information must have been relayed to them, assuring that the Yalu River bridges would continue to enjoy their sanctuary and that their bases would be left intact. They knew they could swarm down across the Yalu River without having to worry about bombers hitting their Manchurian supply lines." > > General MacArthur then referred on page 21 to an official leaflet published in Red China by Chinese General Lin Piao. It read: > > "I would never have made the attack and risked men and military reputation if I had not been assured that Washington would restrain General MacArthur from taking adequate retaliatory measures against my lines of supply and communication." > > J. Ruben Clark, Jr., former Under-Secretary of State and Ambassador to Mexico, who was widely recognized as one of our nation's foremost international lawyers, stated on page 27 of the book entitled "The United Nations Today". > > "Not only does the Charter Organization (United Nations) not prevent future wars, but it makes it practically certain that we shall have future wars, and as to such wars it takes from us (the United States) the power to declare them to choose the side on which we shall fight, to determine what forces and military equipment we shall use in war, and to control and command our sons who do the fighting." > > Planned wars by international corporate socialists money barons within the United States and throughout the world brings great profit to the majority of banks and war manufacturing plants that they control and own all across the United States. These same people got filthy rich on the "20 pieces of silver" for the lives lost and wounded of our soldiers in the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, and they also collected billions of dollars in profit for supply "war materials" in Korea and Vietnam. > > By now you should have come to realize "why" there were so many restrictions on our soldiers during combat in Korea and Vietnam, and why we were NOT ALLOWED TO WIN not allowed to bomb certain targets, not allowed to really do anything in a positive manner to destroy the enemy. > > Korea and Vietnam were never planned to be won, but instead they were planned so big money could be made by the bankers and all their political lackeys who sit in Public Office all over the United States and in other governments of the world. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > JR ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> <FONT COLOR="#000099">Yahoo! 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