-Caveat Lector- Utopian ideas, secular or religious (Christian, Islamic, Jewish, New Age) may be intellectually interesting, but when adopted by those who want to take those views and impose them on others without discussion, there is a real problem. It's hard to tell the difference between utopian and evil power hungry leaders without talk between followers on both sides of the controversy. That's always been a weakness of human systems. We continuously let others speak for us.
Those charismatic, intellectually pompus leaders want to avoid contact between sides and will do everything in their power to avoid discussion on a larger scale. Pagan New Age leaders have said they will turn monotheistic populations against each other to destroy all monotheism followers. They are succeeding. Isn't it time to analyze what New Agers believe? Isn't it time to recognize there is a New Age religion complete with leadership? >From Hank's site:http://pnews.org/ (Hank, a secular Jew, doesn't quite understand the political role of New Age yet. He makes some very interesting points that need to be discussed.) DO JEW HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE ANYWHERE? The countries forming the composition of the UN have always rejected the idea of a completely Jewish Jerusalem. "The representative of Bangladesh said that the hope generated by the signing of the Wye River Agreement had been marred by the murky settlement policy of Israeli settlement in the occupied territories, which had always been a source of tension. Instead of freezing settlement activities, Israel had gone ahead with the building of a new settlement at Jabal Abu-Ghneim. Completion of that settlement would fully encircle East Jerusalem with settlement chains and eventually significantly affect the demography of the city, by creating a further Jewish majority." [PressWire - "Decolonization Committee told UN: Israel's settlement policy major obstacle to Middle East peace" (11-19-1998)] "Malaysia's representative said Israel had continued to establish new settlements while expanding existing ones. Those settlements were clearly aimed at effectively altering the demographic character of certain areas in the occupied territories in favour of the Jewish population, particularly in East Jerusalem. Furthermore, such activities represented a clear attempt to prejudge or pre-empt issues reserved for permanent status negotiations. The statement by the Israeli Prime Minister on 12 November 1998 regarding the establishment of a new Jewish settlement at Jabal Abu-Ghneim, which raised questions about Israel's sincerity, was unacceptable." [PressWire - 98] "The representative of Egypt said his country was deeply concerned and disturbed by the Israeli Government's invitation for international construction bids in Jabal Abu-Ghneim to the south of East Jerusalem. The policy of Israeli settlement was at the forefront of practices that posed a clear and real threat to the future of the peace process. The implementation of the 21 June decision to extend the municipal boundaries of the city of Jerusalem to include Israeli settlements could change the demographic structure of Jerusalem to the detriment of its Palestinian populace." [PressWire - 98] The UN claims that Israel's settlement policy is a major obstacle to Middle East peace, yet from 1949 to 1967 Jews were not allowed to live on the "West Bank" when it was occupied by Jordan after Israel's War of Independence and it was never declared an obstacle to peace. There were no Jews in the territories then and Arabs would not make peace with Israel but would not do so. After the war of 1967 when Israel took control of the "West Bank" some settlements were established for security purposes. The Arabs still would not make peace with Israel - but not because of the settlements. It was because they rejected a Jewish state anywhere. When Sadat agreed to recognize Israel and sign a peace accord in 1977 there were settlements on the "West Bank" and in the Sinai and Israel gave up the settlements in the Sinai as part of the peace accord. Israel has said it would also negotiate settlements on the West Bank if Arabs agreed to a peace accord with Israel. Israel has agreed to give up most of the settlements for a dependable peace with Arabs living on the "West Bank" (Judea and Samaria) and in Gaza. These concessions were offered at Oslo and rejected by Arafat. Even when Israel stopped building settlements Arabs did not offer any concessions to Israel. If Arabs do not even recognize the existence of other minorities in the Middle East and have continuously declared their refusal to recognize Israel why should anyone expect them to change that position? Arabs do not respect weakness. "..Arab governments do not recognize the existence of the Coptic people in Egypt, the Kurdish and the Assyrian peoples in Iraq, the Berber identity in Algeria, the African ethnicity of sourthern Sudan, or the Leganese Christians. Moreover the native Christian ethnicities are under a constant state of oppression." [Lebanon Bulletin, No 37, August 1997 - and Walid Phares - Professor of comparative politics and Middle East studies at Florida Atlantic University] "Today, south Sudanese Christians are targeted by the Islamist forces of Khartoum. Entire villages are being destroyed by the northern regime. yet these tragedies, like others in the Muslim world, go unreported by the Western media and unchallenged by Western leaders." [ibid - Sudan Gazette, London - 1997] DO NON-MUSLIMS HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE ANYWHERE? Islam has a political agenda. The religion of Islam is a political platform and a philosophy which determines how _religious_ Islamic states treat their minorities or don't recognize them at all. How seriously can they be trusted when this their Qur'an and their clerics preach these principles: Qur'an 9:29)"Wage war on the people of the Book (Jews and Christians), who ... do not accept the religion of Islam." (Qur'an 9:14) "Fight against them (the Jews and Christians)! Allah shall punish them, at your hands." "Wage war for the sake of Allah. Kill whoever denies Him." (Muhammad Quoted on P52 SA Qureshi, Selected Writings of Hasan al Banna Shaheed) (Qur'an 9:123) Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:5)"Kill the unbelievers wherever ye find them, capture and besiege them and prepare for them every kind of ambush." The Prophet of Peace? Muslims will tell you that Islam is a religion of peace and Muhammad is (Encyclopedia Britannica) "the Prophet of Peace". Memorable Quotes from Prophet Muhammad: Bukhari 5:59:285 Zaid was asked, "How many Ghazwat (military expeditions) did the Prophet lead?" Zaid replied, "Nineteen." Bukhari 4:52:50 The Prophet said," To fight in Allah's cause is better than the world and whatever is in it" Bukhari 4:52:53 The Prophet said," Nobody who dies fighting and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world .. except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's cause)." 4:52:72... "except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times"' Bukhari 4:52:196 Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." Bukhari 4:52:286 An infidel spy came to the Prophet while he was on a journey. Muhammad said to his companions, "Chase him and Kill him." The Prophet then gave them the possessions of the killed spy. Bukhari 4:52:300 Whenever the Prophet conquered some people he would stay in their town for three days." (Qur'an 9:29)"Wage war on the people of the Book (Jews and Christians), who ... do not accept the religion of Islam." (Qur'an 9:14) "Fight against them (the Jews and Christians)! Allah shall punish them, at your hands." "Wage war for the sake of Allah. Kill whoever denies Him." (Muhammad Quoted on P52 SA Qureshi, Selected Writings of Hasan al Banna Shaheed) (Qur'an 8:39 & 2:193)"Make war on them until idolatry does not exist any longer and Allah's religion reigns universally." (Qur'an 9:123) Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:5) "Kill the unbelievers wherever ye find them, capture and besiege them and prepare for them every kind of ambush." With this Islamic agenda being taught and preached by clerics and proclaimed regularly in official Arab publications, how much can anyone trust Muslims, who even like Arafat claims to be a secularist while invoking Islamic tenants to justify his rejection of any enduring peace agreement with Israel and intention to destroy Israel and the Jews? www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
