-Caveat Lector- In 1982 a book titled The Homosexual Network, Private Lives and Public Policy, by Enrique T. Rueda came out. Rueda was a Catholic priest. The 680 page book is packed with organizational names, individual names, links, etc. A 114 page chapter titled Religious Organizations and the Movement documented the links between religious groups and the homosexual network. It's a very slippery slope between trying to hold the line on beliefs and full toleration of everything in the homosexual movement on the philosophical level. At what point does tolerance become acceptance? Homosexuals quietly reaching points of power in the organization invited others to join the priesthood, and invited others to participate in debauched patterns of behavior. This seems to be how it occurred, until many seminaries became hotbeds of homosexual activity. Malachi Martin's books show the various belief patterns in the church, many of them openly defying the the religious beliefs professed by what were mainline Catholic believers. Windswept House by Martin made it very clear that the Pope's words were openly subverted by Cardinals under him who believed that the financial solvency of the organization and it's place in the world market were very dependent on the organization accepting activities that were totally out of step with the basic beliefs of Catholicism. The Catholic Church has been infiltrated by New Age believers, as have been other religious groups. There is no lockstep in the Catholic organization anymore, and the secrecy of the organization has allowed many strange growths in the church body. It's hard for parish Catholics to take a stand on what is moral and what isn't, so too many settle for mushy spirituality and community activism as a substitute. Expecting Catholics or any other group as a whole to take moral stands on anything for the good of the community is a useless hope. Just as it happened in Nazi Germany.
-----Original Message----- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lyn Milnes Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion (Bacon) -Caveat Lector- I am puzzled about how the Roman Catholic Church can speak out as though opposing gays, when 10% of its own priests are leading active gay lives. The 10% figure comes from married ex-priest and university lecturer in psychiatry W. Richard Sipe, who is a sexual counsellor of catholic priests. His books say 10% of priests are gay, 30% of priests are leading lives of heterosexual relationships, and 6% are sexually oriented towards children. Is the Pope's real objection to gay marriage that it might put extra pressure on the church to let all priests marry, which would mean they have to pay priests salaries? This might send the church bankrupt. In the USA alone, if all RC priests had to be paid a salary of $35,000 a year, a minimum so they could marry and support a family, this would cost the Roman Catholic church $1.57 billion a year. LLM > Subj: U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' > Date: 8/7/03 11:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' > Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984 > > © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com > > Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a > United Nations group promoting "gay" and lesbian rights met in New > York > > to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a "showdown with > religion." > > The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual > Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the > worldwide body in 1996. > > At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi > Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical > Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic > Family and Human Rights Institute. > > Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress > to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority > Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals. > > Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based > International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC, > announced a coming "showdown with religion" and vowed Pope John Paul > II's "call to arms" against homosexual marriage would be successfully > combated. > > Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah, > wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a > "challenge" to the homosexual agenda. > > To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian > parliament, told the Catholic Church to "clean up your own house" > before criticizing the morality of homosexuals. > > Robinson criticized Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry of Calgary, > calling his actions in defense of traditional marriage "unbelievable." > > The deputy mocked "born again" Christians, asking, "Did they have to > come back again as themselves?" > > As WorldNetDaily reported, Robinson is the sponsor of a bill that > would > > add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide > and > > hate crimes legislation. Opponents believe it would criminalize public > expression against homosexual behavior, including making quotations > from the Bible. > > The U.N. group that hosted the event is pressing the United Nations to > recognize same-sex couples and treat their partnerships as equal to > traditional marriages. > > Carol Bellamy, executive director of the U.N. Children's Fund, or > UNICEF, sent a message of support to the conference. > > Annan told panel members the world should become "much more tolerant > and compassionate." > > "I think what is important is that we should stress those positive > aspects in our society, the things that bring us together, and move > away from discrimination and persecution," the secretary general said. > > At a news conference last week, the Atlantic Monthly reported, Annan > was asked to comment on the debate over what constitutes a family. > > "I believe that individuals should be allowed to make their own > choices > > and that we should be careful not to draw conclusions or adopt > prejudicial attitudes towards people for their choices and > preferences," he said. "That's not something I think this organization > should get involved in." > > Mark Malloch Brown, administrator of the U.N. 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