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Subject: [CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY] Re: [INGRAM] Rafe Offline
Why are the two biggest Hallowe'en ghouls since Freddy and Jason (Creepy
Campbell and Monster Martin) not such "strange bedfellows" as the Georgia
Straight cover caption and your article say? Because both side with the
perpetrators of the GLOBAL HOLOCAUST AGAINST THE POOR. They do so for
different reasons and in different ways but the end result is the same.
Those BCTV and CBCTV ads never seem to send: 30,000 children alone die
every day on the planet. Desperate, poverty stricken families sell their
children to the sex trade, others sell organs for transpants. Creepy C and
Monster M are shrewd marketers. They see the market and they know that the
500 billionaire clans of the planet (one being the Martin clan) are
maintaining these global conditions of privation and desperation. They see
political opportunity; after all, who owns the political system in Canada
and internationally? Who owns the voice of Rafe Maier? Who suppresses the
voice of truth in ways both overt and covert?
Yes the poor as an identifiable group can be killed legally by the
millions internationally and ARE now being killed by the millions by the
genocidalist monsters of the world. And the poor ARE the only identifiable
group in Canada which can legally be killed. Spooky Ronald is right on
that. Drug addicts, prostitutes and others CANNOT be legally killed as Mr.
Pickton found out. As much as Creepy C and Monster M would like to kill
off these people as well, they dare not do so ... yet.
People have to be classified as poor people first and THEN they can be
killed legally by depriving them of the necessities of life. Both Creepy C
amd Monster M have done their best to degrade Canada to the cesspool of
immorality which dominates in most of the world in violation of Article 25
of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. So what if Canada is
signatory to it? If you can get away with violating a just law, the
ghouls of this world will do so.
It isn't so much Charter Section 7, Section 15 and Section 36 as cited in
your article, Charlie. It is a question of FUNDAMENTAL JUSTICE. How is it
that Canadian Justice deems this identifiable group and ONLY this
identifiable group to be worthy of a legal death penalty when THEY HAVE
COMMITTED NO CRIME? It doesn't require citing any Charter or Constitution
on earth to see the injustice of this, an injustice BTW, which
Churchianity has never spoken out against. These users make rackets out of
the suffering of the poor but never speak for their right to life. ASK NOW
TV ABOUT THIS if you want to start asking the important questions, the
questions which a flunky of the system like Rafe Mair will not ask.
Ask TWU, the Missions Fest and "pro-life" liars and hypocrites why a blob
of tissue in utero even at the earliest stage is a sacred life but the
life of the mother carrying the fetus is not sacred. Ask why they have
never spoken out for the right of the poor to not live in the valley of
the shadow of death in Canada, why they have never said it is
FUNDAMENTALLY UNJUST TO ALLOW SOCIETY TO KILL PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMITTED NO
CRIME. Creep C and Monster M KNOW THE LAW. THIS IS THE LAW. Ask Scott
Taylor if it is not the law. Ask Marcus MacGregor about his hunger strike
and story in TLH. He says "The message was loud and clear: the poor in
this province can starve to death". But it is the law of Canada. Creep C
and Monster M know the law and rejoice, as do "Doug and the Tarts" of NOW
TV. (No offence to "Doug and the Slugs" who are a fine rock group).
These are the questions which the new CITIZENS ASSEMBLY must address. If
Canada's law allowing the holocaust of the poor stands should the
CITIZENS not be discussing if it applies to all equitably? Isn't equitable
application of law what the Charter-cited "rule of law" is about?
For example, should poor people with severe physical handicaps be allowed
to "starve to death" as Marcus puts it? Or should it only be LAZY people
without handicaps who are allowed to be starved to death by Creep C and
Monster M?
Take the case of Tim Louis vs. Zandu Goldbar. Tim is lean, energetic and
smart. Zandu by self-admission is "fat, lazy and stupid" (and proud of
it). Other things being equal, should our Svelte Timbo on welfare be
allowed to live while the fat, lazy and stupid Zandu is allowed to die, to
"starve to death" after the two year limit which Marcus was protesting?
You see the human rights subtleties here. The CITIZENS ASSEMBLY must
decide which are the "deserving poor" (deserving of death) and which are
not.
In any case, rest asssured that Creepy C and Monster M will make a buck
out of the death of those denied the necessities of life (food, shelter,
clothing) after April 1/04. Marcus was the vanguard, proving to us that
Creepy and Doug and the Tarts and the rest of that gang of flaky freaks
who are BC's establishment have no respect for the lives of "persons under
the law" when they are poor. Jason of Fraser Institute still hasn't
answered the question posed long ago. What is the NPV (net present
VALUE) of a market place which is dedicated to evil? There is a market for
snuff films. Perhaps next time Marcus can sell a snuff film on his dying
so that his children may live ... for a while anyway. When they are made
sufficiently desperate by Creepy C and Monster M, they can sell their
sexual favours to the mormon-christian pervert lobby which props up Creepy
C. Or maybe they can sell their organs and tissues to the rich. There is
an enormous market for vice, Jason. What is the NPV of that market in
depravity? Once Fraser Institute has calculated that it will know the true
meaning of Hallowe'en.
Citizen X
********* <http://www.geocities.com/CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY> **********
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Ronald Hudlin wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, David Ingram at home - bus at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [INGRAM] Rafe Offline
> >
> >
> > Hey Rafe Dudester, why not answer the question? Good question or not David
> > Ingram?
> >
> >
> > 1.> Yes or No: Is there ONE other identifiable group in Canada against which
> > > society at large can mete out a death penalty other than "poor people" and
> > > if so, what is the name of that group?
> >
> > 2.> For example, could borderline-senile, politically-correct,
> > > cowardly-white-males who do media work be given a death sentence by
> > > society at large?
> >
> > ==============================================================
> > david ingram replies.
> >
> > I have lost track of who asked the questions but I cut and pasted the two
> > questions that I think I have been challenged to answer.
> >
> > The answer to "1" is that there are other groups which can be identified.
> > Although they may be poor as well, society has meted out a death sentence to drug
> > addicts as a whole. Society has meted out a s\deathe sentence to prostitutes as a
> > whole. Society has meted out a death sentence to mentally disturbed people as a
> > whole.
> >
>
> Whoa Davey-Dudester! Drug addicts, prostitutes and mentally ill people can
> only be legally killed when they become poor. And the method of killing
> them is to deny them the necessities of life. BEFORE they become poor they
> cannot be legally killed. You cannot round up the prostitutes and kill
> them. Pigton the pig farmer of PoCo tried it dude and look where it got
> him. Campbell is smarter than Pigton and Rafe is letting him get away with
> murder.
>
> > The answer to 2 does not deserve an answer but I will try. I assume that the
> > statement is directed to and at Rafe Mair and I would certainly fit the mold as
> > would another 50 individuals I know and have met. It is lucky that I am in favour
> > of free speech, no matter how silly it is. This example is directed at a person
> > who has taken on premiers, judges, police, Alcan, fisheries and his employer, CKNW.
> >
> > To use the word cowardly is plain stupid
>
> Then let Rafe ask or answer the question. IT IS THE LAW that poor people
> don't have to be given one cent for food or shelter or clothing is it not?
> Yes or no, Dude Rafe. Got the balls to ask Gordie Boy online Rafester?
>
> All power to the people!!!
>
> The Red Menace
>
> and not worthy of this list. Rafe Mair has taken on topics and subjects and people
> who can do him harm. He is not a coward.
> >
> > To use the words borderline senile is also specious. You are either incapable of
> > intelligent argument or have never listened to Rafe Mair's editorials. He is
> > cutting, quick witted and gets to the point. As a person who has hosted some
> > 2,000 and guested on some 3000 open line programs in three countries over the last
> > 51 years and was once Rafe's relief host on CJOR, I can tell you that Rafe is one
> > of the best and most courageous and least senile open line hosts of all time.
> >
> > Hoping this helps you in your future endeavours Mr Red Menace (who(m)ever you are,
> >
> > I remain
> >
> > david ingram
> >
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [INGRAM] Rafe Offline
> >
> >
> > Hey Rafe Dudester, why not answer the question? Good question or not David
> > Ingram?
> >
> > All power to the people!!!
> >
> > The Red Menace
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Party of Citizens wrote:
> >
> > > But of course, Rafe. The POC'ster understands why you would not want to
> > > be on a "MALING" list which asks the important questions.
> > >
> > > Yes or No: Is there ONE other identifiable group in Canada against which
> > > society at large can mete out a death penalty other than "poor people" and
> > > if so, what is the name of that group?
> > >
> > > For example, could borderline-senile, politically-correct,
> > > cowardly-white-males who do media work be given a death sentence by
> > > society at large?
> > >
> > > POC
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:33:32 -0700
> > > From: Rafe Mair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: Party of Citizens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: <http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/index.pl/community_play>
> > >
> > > I would appreciate it if you would take me off your maling list
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > Rafe Mair
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Party of Citizens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: "Vancouver Moving Theatre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:09 AM
> > > Subject: <http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/index.pl/community_play>
> > >
> > > > Will this community play tell the truth about "Canadian Justice" (see
> > > > Citizens Web Site below)? That only one "identifiable group" in Canada can
> > > > legally be given a death sentence and that identifiable group constitutes
> > > > "poor people". Will it tell the truth about how christian religion
> > > > racketeers exploit the poor in V6A, the poorest ghetto in Canada and have
> > > > never spoken out for the right to life of these people in accordance with
> > > > Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
> > > >
> > > > POC
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