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GM, Honda see future in fuel cells that power homes
Thu Sep 25, 2003
By David Kiley, USA TODAY
Larry Burns couldn't help but smile as he drove home to a dark and
sweaty house with no well water and melting ice cream during August's
massive power blackout.
The research and development chief for General Motors has been saying
for more than two years that the technology the automaker plans to
use to market hydrogen cars by the end of the decade also can solve
most of the problems the USA has with its antiquated electric power
grid.
Fuel cells use the chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen to
generate electricity, which gets used as it's made or stored in a
battery.
When it comes to hydrogen power, cars are far from the only business
GM and Japanese automaker Honda see in their futures. Both are
weighing the potentially huge payback of using their well-known brand
names and distribution networks to persuade businesses and eventually
homeowners to put GM- and Honda-branded hydrogen fuel cells in their
basements and garages to power lights and appliances. They say that
could happen long before consumers put hydrogen vehicles in their
driveways.
"We are asking ourselves: If we have the defining technology for fuel-
cell vehicles, should we also become the Intel of this business
with 'GM Inside' being the brand that creates widespread acceptance
of hydrogen power in all its forms," Burns says.
GM will be ready to enter the market in about four years but is still
weighing whether to manufacture stationary fuel cells on its own, or
license the technology to others.
Home fuel cells also are a logical step for Honda, a company that
already has its brand on gasoline/diesel and battery-powered
generators as well as small-engine products from snowblowers to weed
trimmers, says Ben Knight, research and development chief for the
automaker.
"Honda thinks of hydrogen as a system for the customer, not just a
car," he says.
Honda was the first to get a fuel-cell car certified for road driving
by the federal government. It plans to sell about 15 FCX hydrogen
vehicles in a California pilot program next year.
GM has allowed journalists and others to drive its Hy-wire hydrogen
car under controlled tests. It doesn't plan to sell a hydrogen
vehicle to any customers until probably 2008-10.
But GM has moved up by six months to this fall a deal to supply up to
500 hydrogen fuel cells for Dow Chemical's Freeport, Texas, chemical
complex, capturing waste hydrogen from the plant and generating
enough electricity to power 25,000 homes.
GM and Dow are talking about similar deals elsewhere in the USA and
Europe.
GM is using the deal to test fuel cells destined for Chevys and
Buicks. But it's also out to pique interest among other commercial
users besides Dow. As prices come down for generating power from
hydrogen, smaller businesses, like restaurants, will be tempted to
buy fuel cells, Burns predicts.
Burns says home fuel cells could save investment in the power grid
over the next several decades because power outages can be avoided if
the load at peak usage times is decreased by as little as 10%.
"Nobody is looking to fuel cells to replace the grid or gasoline
vehicles. But a faster transition, helped by tax incentives for
companies and consumers, could save a lot of grid investment," he
says.
Hydrogen is created by either sending an electric current into water,
known as electrolyzing, with electricity from the grid, or processing
it out of other sources like natural gas, propane, methanol or
agricultural waste.
Homeowners and small businesses with a stationary fuel cell or a fuel-
cell car could make hydrogen from natural gas or by electrolyzing
water at off-peak hours, storing it in a tank, then using it to
create electricity during peak times, reducing the drain on the grid.
House current could be drawn from either a car or a stationery fuel
cell. Many alternative-power enthusiasts likely will have both.
Fuel-cell owners also would be able to feed excess power back to the
grid for credits toward their electric bills.
Hydrogen cars with a full tank of fuel pack 10 times the power an
average house needs to run for a day.
Sounds great, but the economics of the scheme have a long way to go.
Pricing of fuel cells is difficult to predict, but manufacturers know
homeowners won't be interested beyond $3,000 to $5,000 for the
appliance.
Honda's FCX hydrogen car costs $3 million right now. A fuel cell from
UTC Fuel Cells, a South Windsor, Conn., company that provides either
off-the-grid or backup power to New York City's Central Park police
station and other customers, costs $900,000. UTC has sold 250 fuel
cells, each made by hand, in 14 years.
"We have a long way to go before the price of fuel cells can compete
against the grid rates," says UTC Chief Executive Jan van
Dokkum. "But 80% of the cost disadvantage can be solved through sales
volume and economies of scale, so we need hydrogen automobiles to
generate the volume."
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Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn was the second leading prelate this week to express alarm over the pope's health. "The entire world is experiencing a pope who is sick, who is disabled and who is dying -- I don't know how near death he is -- who is approaching the last days and months of his life," Schoenborn, who is the archbishop of Vienna, told Austrian state broadcaster ORF. Schoenborn is considered a possible candidate for the papacy. His spokesman, Erich Leitenberger, later told The Associated Press the comments were "to be interpreted philosophically." Since the mid-1990s, John Paul has been battling Parkinson's disease, a progressive neurological disorder, as well as crippling knee and hip ailments. The Vatican, which generally refrains from commenting on the pope's health, declined to respond to the Austrian cardinal's remarks. However, two Vatican cardinals and one of John Paul's closest aides -- the secretary who joined him from Poland when he assumed the papacy 25 years ago -- sought to minimize concern about the pontiff's well- being. Monsignor Stanislaw Dziwisz, promoted to archbishop by John Paul on Monday as a sign of gratitude, took the unusual step of talking to reporters about the pope's health as the pontiff was meeting with the president of Lithuania. Asked about the state of the pope's health, Dziwisz referred to comments this week attributed by a German magazine to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger that John Paul was "in a bad way" and that the faithful should pray for him. "Cardinal Ratzinger was crying yesterday, explaining that he never gave an interview but merely answered someone he met on the street, saying, 'If the pope is sick, pray for him,"' Dziwisz said. "Many journalists who in the past have written about the pope's health are already in heaven," Dziwisz added. The pope looked relaxed and alert during his meeting with President Rolandas Paksas, which lasted 15 minutes and was one of four appointments on the pope's schedule Thursday. Despite his frail condition, John Paul has one of the busiest periods in his papacy ahead of him. He makes a day trip Tuesday to a shrine in Pompeii and then takes part in celebrations the following week marking the 25th anniversary of his papacy. The Vatican announced Tuesday the pope will also preside over the ceremony elevating the 31 new cardinals he named Sunday, saying it will be held Oct. 21 on the steps of St. Peter's Basilica. The following day, he will preside at a Mass with the cardinals in St. Peter's Square. Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, head of the Congregation of the Causes of Saints, said Thursday the pope's trip to Pompeii next week shows "there is no reason for alarm." "I think that the pope and all of us are in the hands of God," he told the ANSA news agency. 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But, the judge said, "The record does not reveal any basis for (the assistant principal's) fear aside from his belief that the T-shirt conveyed an unpopular political message." Attorneys for the school district declined to comment on the case. There was no answer at the district offices Wednesday evening. "The court's decision reaffirms the principle that students don't give up their right to express opinions on matters of public importance once they enter school," Kary Moss, executive director of the state ACLU, said in a news release Wednesday. Barber was 16 when he wore the shirt on a day he was scheduled to present a "compare and contrast" essay in English class. Barber had chosen to compare President Bush to former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. At the time, Bretton said he wanted to express his anti-war position by wearing the shirt, which he ordered on the Internet. ***** CIA Planned To Crash Venezuela President's Plane By Roy S Carson sf.indimedia.org 10-1-3 Venezuelan Military Intelligence says overwhelming evidence the CIA planned to bring down Chavez Frias' airplane en route to United Nations in New York Details behind the sudden decision to cancel President Hugo Chavez Frias' next-week trip to Washington D.C. and New York (to deliver a speech to the United Nations) are being revealed by security services who say they have "overwhelming evidence" of a CIA-backed plan to "bring down" the Chavez Frias' airplane during the scheduled flight to the United States from Caracas. Sources in Venezuela's Military Intelligence Directorate (DIM) have told VHeadline.com that "presented with overwhelming evidence of Washington's planned attack on the Presidential flight, it was decided that the President's personal security was preeminent and that he should not go!" State Security & Political (DISIP) police agents were involved in a gun battle in Plaza Altamira Friday night as they moved to detain a suspect now named as Jorge Rojas Riera, for the Friday morning bombing at the Casa Militar barracks, across Avenida Urdaneta from the Miraflores Presidential Palace. It is reported that President Hugo Chavez Frias was working at his desk when the 1:00 a.m. blast went off but that his life had never been put in danger as many gleeful wire-service reporters had immediately cabled to their North American publishers. Reports say that some 60 DISIP and National Guard (GN) officers were able to take the suspect into custody but only after a skirmish with opposition-controlled Chacao municipal police officers and gunmen identified as former army officers who had been dismissed the service after they participated in the April 11, 2002, coup d'etat. Police say Rojas Riera was detained after officers were forced to use an electronic stun gun to capture and 'cuff him. Little is known of the detainee other than that he has been identified having been employed at Plaza Altamira as a "security agent" by opposition organizers ... meanwhile he has told interrogators that he acted independently in the Friday morning's grenade attack. Rebel army officer Felix Moreno was reportedly wounded in an exchange of gunfire. Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez says part of the blame has to be laid on DISIP agents who did not identify themselves ... he says they arrived to Plaza Altamira just before midnight and were heavily armed but were not in uniform. "there was a lot of running-around and another gun-battle close to Torre Britanica (south of Avenida Francisco Miranda) in which a DISIP wagon was overturned. Strong rumors are circulating today that the man arrested had earlier sought political asylum at the Dominican Republic embassy in Caracas but had been asked to return later. *** http://www.vheadline.com Arrogant U.S. Ambassador to Venezuela Charles S. Shapiro says its not a crime to kill a President... 09/28/03 In an Associated Press (AP) dispatch the United States government has said it will open up an investigation into allegations made by Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez Frias relative to conspiracy to assassinate him. Chavez Frias has said that "terrorist groups" in southern Florida have allied with Miami-based anti-Castro radicals. Amazingly US Ambassador to Venezuela, Charles S. Shapiro says "it is not necessarily a crime ... but we are in the full process of collecting information and we must follow all legal procedures ... if there is anyone to blame, our government knows what to do!" With typical Washington cover-up rhetoric, Shapiro shakily admits that he has received information that "some Venezuelans have been receiving military training in the United States." He further admits that the information was also published in a Miami newspaper a year ago ... but remains remarkably silent as to why no action was taken by proper authorities Stateside. "We're not going to take action against anybody ... we haven't been able to make any headway!" President Chavez Frias was forced to cancel his scheduled trip to the United Nations in New York on September 24 after intelligence agencies revealed a CIA-backed plot against the President's plane en route to the General Assembly. Chavez asked the United States to investigate his allegations, at the same time reiterating earlier requests that President George W. Bush should stop interfering in Venezuela's affairs. "They are conspiring against Venezuela in the United States," Chavez Frias said in a national television broadcast ... "the peoples of this continent need to know that their (USA) terrorists are preparing an attack against Venezuela!" ***** GM, Honda see future in fuel cells that power homes Thu Sep 25, 2003 By David Kiley, USA TODAY Larry Burns couldn't help but smile as he drove home to a dark and sweaty house with no well water and melting ice cream during August's massive power blackout. The research and development chief for General Motors has been saying for more than two years that the technology the automaker plans to use to market hydrogen cars by the end of the decade also can solve most of the problems the USA has with its antiquated electric power grid. Fuel cells use the chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen to generate electricity, which gets used as it's made or stored in a battery. When it comes to hydrogen power, cars are far from the only business GM and Japanese automaker Honda see in their futures. Both are weighing the potentially huge payback of using their well-known brand names and distribution networks to persuade businesses and eventually homeowners to put GM- and Honda-branded hydrogen fuel cells in their basements and garages to power lights and appliances. They say that could happen long before consumers put hydrogen vehicles in their driveways. "We are asking ourselves: If we have the defining technology for fuel- cell vehicles, should we also become the Intel of this business with 'GM Inside' being the brand that creates widespread acceptance of hydrogen power in all its forms," Burns says. GM will be ready to enter the market in about four years but is still weighing whether to manufacture stationary fuel cells on its own, or license the technology to others. Home fuel cells also are a logical step for Honda, a company that already has its brand on gasoline/diesel and battery-powered generators as well as small-engine products from snowblowers to weed trimmers, says Ben Knight, research and development chief for the automaker. "Honda thinks of hydrogen as a system for the customer, not just a car," he says. Honda was the first to get a fuel-cell car certified for road driving by the federal government. It plans to sell about 15 FCX hydrogen vehicles in a California pilot program next year. GM has allowed journalists and others to drive its Hy-wire hydrogen car under controlled tests. It doesn't plan to sell a hydrogen vehicle to any customers until probably 2008-10. But GM has moved up by six months to this fall a deal to supply up to 500 hydrogen fuel cells for Dow Chemical's Freeport, Texas, chemical complex, capturing waste hydrogen from the plant and generating enough electricity to power 25,000 homes. GM and Dow are talking about similar deals elsewhere in the USA and Europe. GM is using the deal to test fuel cells destined for Chevys and Buicks. But it's also out to pique interest among other commercial users besides Dow. As prices come down for generating power from hydrogen, smaller businesses, like restaurants, will be tempted to buy fuel cells, Burns predicts. Burns says home fuel cells could save investment in the power grid over the next several decades because power outages can be avoided if the load at peak usage times is decreased by as little as 10%. "Nobody is looking to fuel cells to replace the grid or gasoline vehicles. But a faster transition, helped by tax incentives for companies and consumers, could save a lot of grid investment," he says. Hydrogen is created by either sending an electric current into water, known as electrolyzing, with electricity from the grid, or processing it out of other sources like natural gas, propane, methanol or agricultural waste. Homeowners and small businesses with a stationary fuel cell or a fuel- cell car could make hydrogen from natural gas or by electrolyzing water at off-peak hours, storing it in a tank, then using it to create electricity during peak times, reducing the drain on the grid. House current could be drawn from either a car or a stationery fuel cell. Many alternative-power enthusiasts likely will have both. Fuel-cell owners also would be able to feed excess power back to the grid for credits toward their electric bills. Hydrogen cars with a full tank of fuel pack 10 times the power an average house needs to run for a day. Sounds great, but the economics of the scheme have a long way to go. Pricing of fuel cells is difficult to predict, but manufacturers know homeowners won't be interested beyond $3,000 to $5,000 for the appliance. Honda's FCX hydrogen car costs $3 million right now. A fuel cell from UTC Fuel Cells, a South Windsor, Conn., company that provides either off-the-grid or backup power to New York City's Central Park police station and other customers, costs $900,000. UTC has sold 250 fuel cells, each made by hand, in 14 years. "We have a long way to go before the price of fuel cells can compete against the grid rates," says UTC Chief Executive Jan van Dokkum. "But 80% of the cost disadvantage can be solved through sales volume and economies of scale, so we need hydrogen automobiles to generate the volume." ***** Hybrids Can Be Cheap to Make, Toyota Says Thu Oct 2, 2003 By Chang-Ran Kim, Asia auto correspondent TOYOTA CITY, Japan (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp showed off the production site of its gasoline-electric hybrid cars to journalists for the first time on Thursday with a powerful message: they don't have to be expensive to make. Not long ago, many leading auto makers, including the world's biggest, General Motors Corp, questioned the benefit of developing hybrid cars, arguing they are merely an interim solution before zero- emission fuel-cell vehicles take over. They accused -- possibly accurately -- Toyota and Honda Motor Co, the only other mass-producer of gas-electric hybrid cars, of selling them at a loss given the labor-intensive assembly required. There may have been some truth to that argument before, but no longer, says Toyota, which launched its second-generation Prius hybrid sedan in Japan last month. "We used to build the previous Prius on an exclusive assembly line at the Takaoka plant, and later at Motomachi," said Kenji Takahara, head of administration at neighboring Tsusumi plant, which now builds the Prius. "Now, it shares a line with four other mass-production sedans," he said. That's a big and necessary step for Japan's top auto maker as it aims to offer the hybrid option on most of its models in the not-too- distant future. Toyota is hoping to sell 300,000 of the fuel- efficient vehicles a year starting mid-decade. Hybrids use electric motors and battery packs to improve fuel efficiency, adding power during acceleration and reclaiming energy when braking and coasting. Toyota says the Prius gets 35.5 km per liter of gasoline, which is over 80 miles per gallon. Visual comparisons with the production method for the previous Prius, launched in late 1997, are difficult since journalists were never allowed to visit the assembly site. But the numbers speak for themselves: the Prius's current assembly line rolls out around one car every minute, versus one every eight to 10 minutes for the has improved by at least 15 percent for the current model, a factory official said. "This is proof that mass production of the Prius has started in earnest," Takahara said. BLENDING IN Touring through the factory floor in this central Japanese city named after the auto maker, it is indeed difficult to tell there's any difference between a hybrid and a conventional car. "The worker is installing the hybrid engine system into the Prius just like a regular gasoline engine," assembly manager Yoshihisa Nagatani says proudly, pointing at the shell of a Prius hanging on an overhead conveyor belt as it follows a Camry. In addition to some tweaking of the assembly line required with any new model launch, mixed assembly has been made possible by the huge increase in projected sales, Toyota says. The auto maker is aiming to sell 76,000 units of the new Prius a year globally, with 36,000 of that in Japan. Actual sales of the previous Prius was 28,000 units last year. But the sales target is already looking extremely conservative. Toyota said on Thursday that orders in Japan reached 17,500 units in the first month. In the United States, where it goes on sale this month, orders topped 10,000 as of September 24. Reflecting their popularity, every other car on the five-model assembly line at the Tsutsumi plant is a Prius. In contrast, rival Honda says low volumes are forcing it to practically hand-build its Insight hybrid model, much like the NSX and S-2000 sports cars. Japan's second-largest auto maker admits that after four years of selling hybrids, it barely makes any profit on them. 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