-Caveat Lector- Hello!, With this recent screw tighting by opec, isn't time to put aside these grossly exagerated environmental restrictions on exploring for domestic oil? YOU KNOW WHAT I DOUBLE DARE ANYBODY TO DENY THAT THESE "ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS" AREN'T BEING PAID OFF BY OPEC TO RESTRICT COMPETITION! Bill Bacon
"I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all." visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:59:22 -0500 From: thew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ctrl] How much would Kerry cost you at the pump? I'm not sure that's a fair definition of what socialism is- nor am I sure why "everyone" is in quotes...... On 4/1/04 7:09 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As long as "everyone" pays it's fine. Otherwise, it's socialism..... > >> >> >> Actually I think the point is this conversation, and the kerry thing was >> just what sparked it off again......... >> >> I find it amazing that people who benefit from federal spending shirk at >> paying their portion of it. >> >> On 3/31/04 12:29 PM, "Joshua Tinnin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Ugh ... as I mentioned in a previous email, this is a non-issue being >>> exploited by the Bush campaign: >>> >>> This was from 10 years ago. He mentioned the idea as a way to reduce the >>> deficit, but he never mentioned it again. He refused to back a similar bill >>> with the tax. >>> http://www.wokr13.tv/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=7400B791-61A7-4F01-8BD >>> C- >>> 95B86F808138 >>> >>> I understand your point, but the whole discussion seems sort of pointless >>> considering that the charge against Kerry is false. >>> >>> - jt >>> >>> On Wednesday, 31 March 2004 9:18 AM -0800, >>> thew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Fair enough - as long as you promise not to use the police, the roads, the >>>> schools, any businesses that get federal tax breaks or funding, and you >>>> are >>>> not defended by the army, use no medicine that was discovered with any >>>> federal grant money, use no doctor, lawyer, or businessman who got his >>>> degree using a federally backed student loan, use no hospital or bank that >>>> has federal backing funds, grants, or protections, take no advantage of >>>> any >>>> federal supported plan, like integrated schools, or fair wages, do not >>>> farm >>>> using water moved about by federal irrigation or transportation plans, eat >>>> no food inspected for safety by a federal inspector using federal >>>> guidelines, get no federally guaranteed loans or assistance, etc etc etc. >>>> >>>> Also please refrain from using the mail, the internet ,as it was developed >>>> using federal funds to the military, the interstate highways, and clean >>>> drinking water. >>>> >>>> As soon as you can assure me that not a single penny of federal money goes >>>> to you in any way shape or form I will be glad to campaign to have you >>>> removed from the rolls of those who ought to pay taxes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/31/04 11:29 AM, "William Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thew, >>>>> Well then why don't you voluntarily "contribute" extra money to the >>>>> government and leave me the fuck alone? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to >>>>> the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with >>>>> liberty and justice for all." >>>>> >>>>> visit my web site at >>>>> http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 >>>>> for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: >>>>> http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, thew wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It must be nice and easy to live only caring about your personal >>>>>> wallet and >>>>>> to be able to say fuck off to everyone else. I would ,as I said, >>>>>> rather >>>>>> spend a little more, to live in a society that works, than have every >>>>>> greedy >>>>>> penny clutched to my chest while society crumbles around me. I know >>>>>> it's a >>>>>> terrible waste - a disease, even, but I care. I care about something >>>>>> other >>>>>> than just my own personal bottom line. And if you think your hoarding >>>>>> money >>>>>> does more for a person on a fixed income, than my paying into a >>>>>> system that >>>>>> offers them decent healthcare, decent public transportation, a chance >>>>>> at >>>>>> decent housing, etc etc etc, your blinders are larger than I imagined. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish I could find a transcript of that bill hicks bit I alluded to. >>>>>> Essentially it goes that someone said to him his taxes would go up if >>>>>> he >>>>>> voted for Clinton over bush - he replied that there are other reasons >>>>>> than >>>>>> taxes to vote for someone - namely that Reagan bush had been involved >>>>>> in >>>>>> mass murder in central America. He put it something like" it is worth >>>>>> paying >>>>>> a nickel more at the pump every day, to ensure no small child is being >>>>>> macheted to death in Nicaragua, just so coca cola could open a plant >>>>>> there." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And to really cap it off - from today's newspaper- the real reason gas >>>>>> prices go up or down has little to do with taxes at all (although >>>>>> again - we >>>>>> pay for a gallon here what most of the world pays for a quart) but >>>>>> with the >>>>>> Bush's dear friends and partners in OPEC - the Saudi's: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> March 31, 2004 >>>>>> >>>>>> OPEC Agrees to Cut Oil Production by 4 Percent >>>>>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Filed at 9:50 a.m. ET >>>>>> >>>>>> VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- OPEC will cut its production target by 4 >>>>>> percent as >>>>>> scheduled, several oil ministers said Wednesday -- a move that >>>>>> analysts say >>>>>> could drive crude oil prices higher even as U.S. customers are already >>>>>> facing high gasoline prices. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which pumps about >>>>>> a third >>>>>> of the world's oil, will reduce its output ceiling by 1 million >>>>>> barrels per >>>>>> day. >>>>>> >>>>>> A recent surge in oil prices had led some of the group's 11 members to >>>>>> suggest postponing the cut, but OPEC's most influential oil minister, >>>>>> Saudi >>>>>> Arabia's Ali Naimi, prevailed in his effort to press ahead. >>>>>> >>>>>> The rise in crude prices has seen gasoline prices climb to record >>>>>> levels in >>>>>> the United States. The nationwide averaged rose to $1.80 a gallon, >>>>>> according >>>>>> to the latest Lundberg survey of 8,000 stations across the United >>>>>> States. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kuwaiti Oil Minister Ahmad Fahad Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah had earlier >>>>>> suggested >>>>>> delaying the cut but was among those who confirmed the group's >>>>>> decision to >>>>>> trim its target to 23.5 million barrels per day starting Thursday. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ministers from Algeria, Nigeria, Libya and Qatar also confirmed the >>>>>> agreement, which the representatives reached in private talks ahead >>>>>> of a >>>>>> formal meeting at OPEC's headquarters in Vienna. >>>>>> >>>>>> OPEC had agreed last month in Algiers, Algeria, to make the cut on >>>>>> April 1, >>>>>> but recent discomfort with rising prices in the United States and >>>>>> other >>>>>> importing countries had led some OPEC members to reconsider. >>>>>> >>>>>> ``We made decision to apply the Algiers decision. We're going to meet >>>>>> again >>>>>> in June ... and at that time we're going to review the market,'' >>>>>> Algerian >>>>>> Oil Minister Chakib Khelil told reporters. >>>>>> >>>>>> OPEC was forced to balance consumers' desire for lower oil prices >>>>>> with its >>>>>> own fears that swelling inventories and a seasonal lull in springtime >>>>>> demand >>>>>> could cause prices to plunge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most OPEC members are taking advantage of the current high prices by >>>>>> pumping >>>>>> as much oil as they can. Excluding Iraq, which doesn't participate in >>>>>> the >>>>>> group's quota agreements, OPEC is already exceeding its target by an >>>>>> estimated 1.5 million barrels. >>>>>> >>>>>> If individual members have the discipline to reduce their actual >>>>>> output in >>>>>> line with their lower target, crude prices now could reach $40 per >>>>>> barrel, >>>>>> said Leo Drollas, chief economist of the London-based Center for >>>>>> Global >>>>>> Energy Studies. >>>>>> >>>>>> That could damage the global economy and the long-term demand for >>>>>> oil, other >>>>>> analysts have warned. >>>>>> >>>>>> U.S. light, sweet crude reached a 13-year peak of $38.35 per barrel >>>>>> on March >>>>>> 17. Traders had anticipated that OPEC would stick with its planned >>>>>> cut, and >>>>>> U.S. crude futures for May delivery fell 22 cents to $36.03 per >>>>>> barrel in >>>>>> New York. In London, May contracts of North Sea Brent were 9 cents >>>>>> higher at $32.54 per barrel. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the United States, the high oil and gasoline prices have become an >>>>>> issue >>>>>> in the presidential campaign. >>>>>> >>>>>> Democratic contender Sen. John Kerry said that as president he would >>>>>> stop >>>>>> pumping oil into the nation's emergency stockpile until prices fell >>>>>> and >>>>>> would pressure OPEC to provide more oil. A spokesman for President >>>>>> Bush >>>>>> blamed high prices on the failure of Congress to approve Bush's energy >>>>>> proposals in 2001, and the Bush campaign started an ad accusing Kerry >>>>>> of >>>>>> favoring higher gasoline taxes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Copyright 2004 The Associated Press | >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/31/04 6:58 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Must be nice to have extra money. 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