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--- Begin Message ----Caveat Lector- http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/163259 Rumsfeld: More `sadistic' photos, videos will emerge 2004-05-08 by Journal News ServicesWASHINGTON -- Even more ``blatantly sadistic'' photographs and videos from the Iraqi prison abuse scandal will further inflame worldwide outrage, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld warned Friday. One senator suggested they show rape and murder. He did not elaborate. In congressional testimony televised throughout the Arab world as well as in the United States, Rumsfeld said glumly: ``It's going to get a good deal more terrible, I'm afraid. ``There are other photos that depict incidents of physical violence towards prisoners, acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman,'' Rumsfeld said. ``There are many more photographs and indeed some videos. Congress and the American people and the rest of the world need to know this. ``If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse.'' Rumsfeld said he had not seen the videos, and did not describe them. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters outside the hearing room of the unseen photos, ``we're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience -- we're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.'' ``We don't need to leave here thinking that we've seen the worst,'' he added. Rumsfeld revealed that while he had known of the existence of the photographs, he had not until Thursday night viewed any but those broadcast by television or printed in newspapers and magazines. ``It is the photographs that gives one the vivid realization of what actually took place,'' Rumsfeld said. ``Words don't do it. The words that there were abuses, that it was cruel, that it was inhumane, all of which is true, that it was blatant, you read that and it's one thing. You see the photographs, and you get a sense of it, and you cannot help but be outraged.'' In Geneva, the International Red Cross said it had warned U.S. officials of abuse of prisoners in Iraq more than a year ago. ``We were dealing here with a broad pattern, not individual acts. There was a pattern and a system,'' said Pierre Kraehenbuehl, director of operations for the International Committee of the Red Cross. Answering a question many lawmakers have posed, Kraehenbuehl said the abuse went beyond detainees held at the Abu Ghraib prison in the Baghdad area. In addition to the known abuse cases and at least 25 prisoner deaths already reported, acting Army Secretary Les Brownlee said the Army is investigating 42 potential cases of misconduct against civilians that occurred outside prisons in Iraq, Afghanistan and nearby countries. Army Pfc. Lynndie England, shown in photographs smiling and pointing at naked Iraqi prisoners, was charged Friday by the military with assaulting the detainees and conspiring to mistreat them. England is the seventh soldier from an Army Reserve military police unit to be charged. In a long day in witness chairs on both sides of the Capitol, Rumsfeld sought to repair the damage done to American prestige aboard, to ease the anger of lawmakers caught off guard by the uproar and to shore up support for his own job among key members of Congress. Rumsfeld accepted personal responsibility for the situation and apologized to detainees who were mistreated. ``Our country had an obligation to treat them right,'' Rumsfeld said in his opening statement to the Senate Armed Services Committee. ``We didn't, and that was wrong. So to those Iraqis who were mistreated by members of the U.S. armed forces, I offer my deepest apology.'' In an appearance widely seen as crucial to his prospects of remaining as Pentagon chief, Rumsfeld acknowledged that he was responsible for what happened in the Abu Ghraib prison because the events occurred ``on my watch.'' Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., pressed Rumsfeld on whether his resignation might not help cauterize the wounds to America's image. ``Even though you weren't personally involved in the underlying acts here, would it serve to demonstrate how seriously we take the situation -- and therefore help to undo some of the damage to our reputation -- if you were to step down?'' Bayh asked. Rumsfeld replied tersely, ``That's possible.'' The secretary said he would name a commission to look deeply into the incidents of abuse, notwithstanding the inquiries already under way, and that he would try to find a way to compensate the individual detainees who were abused. ``It's the right thing to do,'' Rumsfeld said. And yet, Rumsfeld said, the investigations, and the collective examination of conscience that underlie them, offer an opportunity for the United States to make amends. ``Watch how a democracy deals with wrongdoing,'' Rumsfeld said in what amounted to a plea to the world. ``We will strive to do our best, as imperfect as it may be,'' he said after declaring that he felt ``the heartbreak of acknowledging the evil in our midst.'' The secretary said the acts of a few American soldiers do not represent the values and conduct of most American military men and women in Iraq. ``They're truly wonderful human beings,'' he said. Several panel members said they agreed. But they also took Rumsfeld to task. Sen. John S. McCain, Republican of Arizona, wanted to know what private contractors were in charge of questioning the prisoners and had authority over the guards. When the secretary did not answer immediately, McCain grew exasperated. ``No, Secretary Rumsfeld, in all due respect, you've got to answer this question, and it could be satisfied with a phone call,'' McCain said. ``This is a pretty simple, straightforward question. Who was in charge of the interrogations?'' Rumsfeld did not answer directly at first. Finally, he said, ``That is what the investigation that I have indicated has been undertaken is determining.'' McCain was clearly not satisfied with the answers. ``I think these are fundamental questions to this issue,'' he said. Rumsfeld was interrupted for a loud, long moment by several hecklers. ``Fire Rumsfeld!'' they shouted before being ejected. ``Fire Rumsfeld!'' Under other circumstances, Rumsfeld might have smiled and cracked a joke. Friday, he sat silent and stoic as the protesters were ejected. The secretary also expressed his regrets to members of the committee for not informing them sooner of the full extent and seriousness of the Abu Ghraib abuses. ``Let me be clear,'' Rumsfeld said. ``I failed to recognize how important it was to elevate a matter of such gravity to the highest levels, including the president and the members of Congress.'' Members of the committee, Republicans as well as Democrats, have expressed extreme annoyance recently over not being informed about the explosive photographs depicting abuse that included sexual humiliation -- a particular outrage in Arab culture. President Bush has also expressed his deep regrets. His aides also let it be known that he had personally admonished Rumsfeld for not informing him sooner about the Abu Ghraib episode. The defense secretary said those involved in the abuse would be brought to justice regardless of rank. Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, said the abuse scandal dimmed the prospects of success in Iraq. ``Our troops are less secure and our nation is less secure because these depraved and despicable actions will fuel the hatred and the fury of those who oppose us,'' he said. Rep. 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