-Caveat Lector- "I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all."
Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [conspiracy-net] Re: [JBirch] America is NOT a free country any more (fwd) I suppose that government apologist, Agent Ernie Lazar, takes the position that everyone should leaves their homes, and go to other countries, rather that fight for their freedom? I suppose that government apologist, Agent Ernie Lazar, takes the position that everyone should leave the NEXT country also, rather that fight for their freedom, if that country ALSO becomes oppressive? What if the New World Order makes every country oppressive? Is running away not what our anscestors already did? Should we just keep running away? Eventually you will have to decide to defend freedom, or accept slavery. Our anscestors learned that too. For more information on this consult the Declaration of Independance. researcherxr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you truly believe that we are no longer living in a free country, AND, we have adopted most or all 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto, then an obvious question arises: why do you continue to live in the United States? Wouldn't the most reasonable and logical option be to move yourself and your family to another country where your prospects for living in freedom are better? (Incidentally,what is your best judgment about the identity of that other better option?) In addition, given the litany of government abuses that you describe...would you favor posting flyers and signs around the world at our embassies and consulates to advise all persons seeking to emigrate here of the terrible danger they face? Perhaps some wording like this might be appropriate on the flyers and signs? "DANGER! DO NOT TRAVEL to the United States. DO NOT APPLY to emigrate to the United States. The U.S.A. is no longer a free country. It has adopted 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto and its government is out of control. Your existence as a free person would be in jeopardy if you should choose to live in the U.S.A." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], William Bacon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all." Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations visit my web site at: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government link to: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:52:22 -0400 (EDT) > From: Marv Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [JBirch] America is NOT a free country any more > > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 1 12:09:47 2004 > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:06:02 -0500 > From: Tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: (ALLYX) America Is Not a Free Country > > http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/newman/newman9.html > by <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Doug Newman > Independence Day is upon us. This July 4 we celebrate the 228th anniversary of our independence from Britain and our birth as a free nation. We watch fireworks, go to barbecues, go camping (at tax- funded state and national parks), go to baseball games (in tax- funded stadiums) and hear endless talk about how goldurned wonderful it is that we live in a free country. Or do we live in a free country? Consider the following. In a free country, taxation would be well-nigh non-existent. You could keep what you earned and you could spend, save, invest and donate as you saw fit. You would have far more money with which to solve your own problems. In a free country, there would not be 20,000-plus laws on the books infringing --and even denying -- the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Crime would plummet as criminals would never know who was armed. In a free country, you could educate your children as you saw fit, without asking anyone's permission. You could home school you kids if you wanted. Catholics could send their kids to the Our Lady of Mercy School; Baptists could send their kids to the Obadiah Baptist School; Mormons could send their kids to the Joseph Smith school; Muslims could send their kids to the Allah Akbar School; believers in Mungabunga could send their kids to Mungabunga school. If you are not spiritual, you could send your kids to the Whitney Houston School--"Where the children are the future"--or to the Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young School--"Where we teach your children well." Prayer, declining academic standards, evolution, creation, condoms, gay curricula, busing, standardized testing, bullying, discipline, dress codes and all the other debates surrounding education today would cease to be social issues. In a free country, businesses would not be crushed in a regulatory vise grip. Millions of jobs would stay here in America rather than going to Honduras and Bangladesh. In a free country, the military would be used strictly for national defense. We would not have troops in 135 countries. We would heed the Founders' advice and steer clear of foreign alliances, which have been nothing but trouble anyway. We would withdraw from the United Nations and all its subsidiary organizations. Terrorism would cease to be a threat: When we stop throwing our weight around "over there," hatred and resentment toward the United States will be far, far less. In a free country, we would not have the world's highest incarceration rate. In a free country, jurors could judge not only the facts pertaining to a given case, but also the law relevant to that case. If Juror Smith thought Defendant Jones was being tried under a stupid law, Juror Smith could vote to acquit on that basis and that basis alone. The prison population would plummet. In a free country, the value of money would be tied to gold or silver. The Federal Reserve Bank would be shut down. We would not see our savings and our futures eroded by inflation. And we would not owe bazillions of dollars to folks who already have bazillions of dollars. In a free country, it would take neither a village nor a police state to raise a child. Government would not act in loco parentis for an absentee Mommy and Daddy. Parents would be responsible for raising their own children. Most of the problems we have with kids today -- sex, drugs, violence -- would be greatly minimized. In a free country there would be no war on drugs. Drug profits and street crime would plummet. It would not be the government's job to keep people off of drugs. It would be the job of parents, churches, Mungabunga temples, etc. Back when it was this way, there was almost no "drug problem" at all. (If the Mungabunga people smoke that hooch in their rituals, they would be free to do so without fear of DEA harassment.) In a free country, we would not constantly be relinquishing our freedom in exchange for security. People would know that the greatest threat to their security comes from their own government. In a free country, if a state decided it had had enough of rule by Washington,D.C., it could secede from the union without fear of reprisal. In a free country, there would be no law forbidding what you could ingest into your body. If a certain medication worked, your doctor could recommend it and you could take it without fear of punishment. In a free country, there would be no welfare state, no education state and no medical state. There would not be a permanent underclass, the quality of education would be vastly improved, and medicine would be far less expensive. Moreover, immigrants would know that coming to America would mean either sink or swim. Deadbeats would not come here looking for a handout. And all immigrants would, out of necessity, learn English. In a free country, there would be no minimum wage. Millions of jobs would be created in the inner cities overnight. Congressmen, senators, and other government workers would be paid what they are worth. In a free country, there would be no Selective Service System. Threats of a draft would meet with furious resistance, not lame justifications. In a free country, there would be no Patriot Act. There would be no "sneak and peek" warrants. The authorities would have to obtain a warrant to review your bank accounts and e-mails. Habeas Corpus would be secure. In a free country, there would be no surrender of sovereignty to entities like the UN, where we can be outvoted 2-1 by such paragons of personal freedom as Sudan and North Korea. Our troops would not be involved in UN sponsored wars. Moreover, things like NATO and the International Criminal Court would no longer have any relevance. In a free country, there would be no "promise" of Social Security at age 62 or 65 or 67 or ... how far back will they have moved it when you reach your golden years? You could take that same money and put it in the most profitable private sector investments you could find. Furthermore, you would not be constantly tracked by means of your Social Security Number. In a free country, you would only be punished if you inflicted physical harm on somebody else. <http://www.stanley2002.org>Rick Stanley would never have been arrested and Martha Stewart would be a free woman. Randy Weaver's wife and son would still be alive. The Branch Davidians would be living in peace on the outskirts of Waco. Non-violent drug offenders would not waste away in prison, while convicted rapists and murderers went free. In a free country, churches would truly be exempt from taxation, which would be minimal to begin with. The IRS would not have conducted raids on the Indianapolis Baptist Temple, Dr. Kent Hovind's creation science theme park and other ministries that have not kissed up to the government in order to be tax exempt. Indeed, there would be no IRS. In a free country, we would not have adopted nine of the ten "planks" of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. How have we done this? > <http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/newman/#(1)>(1) > > In a free country, your property rights would not be under attack. (Plank 1) > There would be no zoning laws. You could not lose your home or business for > failure to pay taxes. There would be no EPA harassment of landowners over > "wetlands" and other issues. The FEDGOV would not be the nation's largest > landowner. > > In a free country, there would be no progressive income tax. (Plank 2) Again, > there would be no IRS. Period. > > In a free country, there would be no inheritance tax. (Plank 3) > > In a free country, there would be no confiscation of property of those who > resisted the powers that be. (Plank 4) Consider what they did to my friend Rick > Stanley. <http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/newman/#(2)>(2) > > In a free country, there would not be a central bank. (Plank 5) There would be > no Federal Reserve and there would not a multi-zillion dollar national debt. > > In a free country, there would be no government control of communications and > transportation. (Plank 6) There would be no FCC, DOT, ICC, etc. Airports would > not be mini-police states. > > In a free country, there would be no government intrusion in manufacturing and > agriculture. (Plank 7) There would be no Department of Labor or Department of > Agriculture. Your business could not be shut down for OSHA violations. There > would be no federal farm subsidies or price supports. > > In a free country, there would be no federal control of labor. (Plank 8) There > would be no National Labor Relations Board, no minimum wage laws, no > affirmative action or racial quotas. > > The merger of agriculture and industry (Plank 9) is tough to explain in one > short paragraph. The centralizers can only be happy that farming is > increasingly controlled by conglomerates that are far more likely to kiss up to > the FEDGOV than a family that has worked the same piece of land for three > generations. > > In a free country, the government would not be in control of education. (Plank > 10) I am fond of pointing out to people that, while neither the Bible nor any > of America's Founding documents say anything about state education, you will > find state education as a policy prescription of the Communist Manifesto. > > So there you have it. > > America is not a free country. > > I know, I know, I know: I can vote this November and I can write this essay > without fear of punishment. And, no, there are no death camps yet. > > However, if this country continues on its present course, one day I will be > imprisoned for dissing the FEDGOV and there will be death camps. > > The incineration of 80 innocent people by the FEDGOV at Waco in 1993 was a > trial balloon floated before a brainwashed nation. Grotesquely excessive forced > was used for no good reason, and millions of Americans derisively giggled at > "that cult." When they came for the Davidians, we did not say anything because > we were not Davidians. > > Hitler knew the power of the lie: if you lie to people often enough, they will > believe anything. And while we are not at the Hitler phase yet, we will arrive > there if we keep (a) believing everything our government -- or at least our > preferred faction of the government -- says and (b) believing we are a free > nation. You cannot have it both ways. > > Sadly, some people will not clue in until the death camp phase. I pray > fervently that enough Americans wake up before then. > Scripture tells us to preach the truth without ceasing, for there will come a > time when people will not want to hear the truth. Rather, they will surround > themselves with ear-ticklers who will tell them whatever they want to hear, > regardless of its veracity. (II Timothy 4:2-4) > > People ask me from time to time if I get frustrated fighting the freedom fight > in a society where so many will gladly relinquish freedom for a false sense of > security. To be honest, the answer is yes. However, I must continue to fight > this fight and leave the results to God. > > Happy Fourth of July. > > (1) For my info on the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto, I must give credit > to my friend Gene Chapman, who asks if American troops are in fact fighting for > communism: > <http://www.exodus10-3.org/us-troops-fighting-for- communism.shtml>www.exodus10-3.org/us-troops-fighting-for- communism.shtml > > (2) > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_29 52488,00.html > > <http://www.strike-the-root.com/cgi-local/birdcast.cgi> > July 1, 2004 / > > > > > The opinions expressed on this forum are those of the authors of the articles posted. The John Birch Society has no responsibility for anything that is posted on this forum. The OFFICIAL John Birch Society web page is a www.jbs.org "Look alike" clone pages, run by others, violate JBS policy. 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