-Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911
Kris, this attack from you (below), like your similar ones against Dick Eastman, contains only unsupported smears with no data to back them up, except for your claim that the people you're attacking created forged e-mails from Brian Quig. But that claim is based on the fact some people addressed in those e-mails say they didn't receive them, or at least can't find them. This is _not_ valid evidence, even if the recipients in question actually didn't get copies of the messages, because e-mail sending and receiving software is quite fallible: I administer two mailing lists (Kris is on one of mine, and I am on two of his), and I have seen dozens of instances in which messages are bounced by mail servers because of subtle errors in their configuration with respect to certain recipients; this occurs only intermittently -- most messages to those recipients get through. One cause of this can be erroneous MX (mail exchanger) records for these recipients. If the sending server can't reach the receiving server listed in a primary MX record (which happens intermittently due to high loads), it may try to send to a server listed in a secondary MX record which may be out of date, and that server may bounce the mail because the recipient is no longer known to it. This situation has been made much worse during the last ten years or so as mail servers have been programmed to reject "relaying" -- reception of mail destined for recipients on other servers -- as a means of cutting down on spam. Also, mail client software, especially the programs from Microsoft, sometimes lose messages that they've received. I've heard complaints from Windows users about this (I use the much more reliable -- and free -- Linux system). And certainly it's very easy to hit the wrong key and accidently delete an e-mail without realizing it. Finally, many messages are mistakenly and silently deleted as spam by people's mail servers and never sent to them. The same messages may reach other recipients whose servers employ different spam rejection programs. Kris, I apologize for not giving you this information before, although we've had a number of phone conversations. I've only gradually become aware of it, correlated it, and learned the technical facts behind it. So your accusations of mail forgery may have resulted from your not having this knowledge. You should then rethink all the conclusions you've drawn from your belief that these "forgeries" occurred. As to your other disagreements with the people you're attacking, I haven't followed your disputes with Webfairy, but I have read many of your attacks against Eastman. These come down to your uncritical acceptance of various witness reports that the 757 hit the Pentagon, and your refusal to deal with the physical evidence. Witnesses can be mistaken; movies frequently portray airplane and helicopter crashes by showing film of the aircraft flying toward a building and then film of a large petroleum explosion; actually there was no crash. This is very likely what was arranged for the Pentagon attack; it's exactly like a stage magician "vanishing" in a puff of smoke. It would certainly fool witnesses, who almost always think they've seen what they expected to see. In fact, when some of the witness accounts that claim the plane hit are examined carefully, they contain details that would have occurred far too rapidly -- in a few thousandths of a second -- for the human eye or brain to perceive; this is proof that these witnesses either imagined these details, or are intentionally lying. Witnesses can easily be deceived, and false witnesses can easily be planted, but the physical evidence against the government story tells the truth. The original hole in the building was far too small; there was no evidence of the impact of the huge engines or the tail fin; there was no fire, and very little debris, on the lawn despite the plane allegedly hitting the wall at nearly a 45 degree angle which would have caused much of it to end up outside; the plastic nosecone (designed to pass radar waves to and from the radar antenna inside it) could not possibly have penetrated the many layers of walls without shattering -- it must have been planted; and a rusted part -- allegedly from an aircraft that was kept polished to a mirror finish -- was photographed inside the building, and so must also have been planted. All this is why almost all 9-11 researchers agree that the 757 did not crash into the Pentagon, but rather passed over it, and, possibly after loitering over the ocean for a while, landed at Reagan airport or some other during the very chaotic period when all planes were being forced to land immediately, wherever they were. In the last year or so there have been many accusations from some 9-11 researchers that various people who disagree with them are fascist agents. I'm sure this isn't true in Dick Eastman's case because I've come to know him very well, and besides, the evidence backs him up! I've also seen his mistaken accusations against others (e.g., Mike Ruppert), based on inadequate knowledge of what they've written, just like I've seen your unproven accusations, Kris, against him. Based on the various good work you've done, and your willingness to talk about things on the phone, I don't think you're an agent either, just a hothead like he is. The same is probably true for Mark Robinowitz, who also ignores all the Pentagon physical evidence and attacks Eastman, and Gerard Holmgren, who's been doing a lot of yelling and screaming about other researchers lately, too. And I sense complete sincerity from Webfairy, and hope soon to have my computer modernized so I can properly see the videos on her website. People, let's try to avoid the circular firing squad scenario. If we don't hang together... Mark On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 12:46:25PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Webfradudy, full of crap and throwing mud as usual. > >Trying to put in wegdes all over the place aren't you. > >Your comment - "Your research about Gray/Khashoggi opened up such a big hole >that even >Milligan could see it." > >Just what are you trying to imply? > >Don't be shy Webfrauddy. > >Oh, and you are real cute playing the poor ol' victim game. I feel so sorry >for you. Not. > >Webfrauddy, remember, you were caught twice using Email forgeries. You, >Eastman and "Sean Mc Bride" > >That is reality. You have no credibility, just mud, rhetoric and lies > >Peace, >Om >K > >In a message dated 8/15/04 9:23:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> So you still stand by notions like there is no such thing as >> perspective, close stuff can look exactly the same size as distant >> stuff, and a "plane" doesn't have to exhibit any of the symptoms of >> plane-ness to be a plane, as long as your imagination adds the missing >> elements, huh? >> Pathetic. >> The video footage has it's own story to tell. >> Yes, it is manipulated. >> Yes it is faked. >> I didn't do it. >> I noticed it. >> You help play the shoot the messenger game against me. >> I say "woah, nellie" when they try the shoot the messenger game against you. >> Your research about Gray/Khashoggi opened up such a big hole that even >> Milligan could see it. >> >> Rabidnitwitz hit a wall and left a rabidnitwitz shape hole. >> >> Your continued attempt to legitimize the thoroughly discredited media >> version of events leaves you with some pretty dicey comrades. You have >> my sympathy, and my pity.? At least you can see how quick they are to >> turn on you. >> >> I rue your continued attempt to cover up Missilegate, but I'm still >> grateful you exposed the money and players behind Missilegate. >> www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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