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--- Begin Message ----Caveat Lector- Channel 9 CBS DC cuts to DC, and away from Dan Rather in NY, seven minutes before the WTC south tower fell.As the first tower fell, Dave Stannard or Statter, CBS correspondent at the Pentagon says he and others have heard explosions and just heard another. Later he is contradicted by another CBS reporter who says those were sonic booms made by fighter jets. Dave later says they were burning tires exploding. Five minutes after Dave heard a pop at the Pentagon and the WTC south tower fell in NYC, a section of wall collapses around the hole in the Pentagon. The original hole was the appropriate size for the mass of fuel in the 757's belly tank to push in, and it also matches the diameter of a 757 well enough not to present an issue. (The only issue there is about the empty offices, and any script-fulfilment demolitions leveraged what witnesses will describe as the crash of a Boeing 757, not in place of it, and the small following aircraft was seen to leave the area in one piece by several people). Two minutes later there was a rumor about the Pennsylvania plane being unaccounted for. Eleven minutes later there was a rumor about a car bomb at the State Department. My next door neighbors worked there that day and they and later reports said no car bomb. (Don't play to the security parade here, they were just looking busy, it was about hijacked planes, not guarding street corners, get serious). Eighteen minutes after WTC tower one collapsed, a reporter claimed that jets had scrambled out of Andrews AFB. (They could have but they probably did not, due to thorough de-preparation by the usual suspects. My other neighbor calibrates FAA flight control equipment and he says FAA didn't do things in the usual manner that day). Twenty-five minutes after the tower fell, witness Mark Keso says he was in a bus shelter, which is a plexiglas booth, when he and a number of other people saw a big passenger plane flying low along Columbia Pike. He heard some of the others yelling that it crashed into the Pentagon. Half an hour after WTC tower one collapsed, a reporter said,"Senior law enforcement says a plane or car bomb crashed into the State Department". Forty one minutes after WTC tower collapse, channel 9 interviews Joel Suckerman, USAToday.com assistant managing editor, who says he was 100 yards from the Pentagon when he saw a silver American Airlines Boeing 757 fly into the Pentagon. A minute later Air Force press officer Lt Col Art Holbow says an eyewitness saw a business jet fly into the Pentagon. Then Omar Campos himself says in Spanish that he saw a business jet fly into the Pentagon--or did he say commercial jet? Whatever. Joel Suckerman comes back on at fifty-two minutes after WTC tower one fell, insisting that it was a silver American Airlines Boeing 757, specifically insisting it was not a business jet, and he saw it crash into the Pentagon, and he saw the small plane or helicopter following pull up sharply and fly away. Joel says that the Boeing flew from west to east, which is consistent with Mark Keso seeing it fly along Columbia Pike as he sat at a bus stop on Columbia Pike. Fifty-six minutes after WTC tower one fell, USAToday reporter Mike Waldron or Walgram describes seeing a silver American Airlines passenger jet clip light poles and crash into the west wall of the Pentagon. He may have been riding in a car with Joel Suckerman. He may have been identified in earlier reports as "an AP reporter who saw a passenger jet fly into the Pentagon". He says "no doubt it was an American Airlines passenger plane". An hour and a half after WTC tower fell, channel 9 crew reveal that they think United Flight 175 took off from Dulles. That begins to explain why they think five planes were hijacked. More comes out on this later. Five minutes later, Harry Gold, Space Planning and Acquisition, DoD, fifth floor on the side of the Pentagon opposite the crash, says he saw the Boeing flying near the river and the airport and he saw part of the steep 1.5g turn. From that vantage point he lost sight of the plane, and was only guessing when he said it took a dive--which he did see--"maybe over Rosslyn"--which he did not see and could only guess about--he said "maybe". In a little while he "heard a light rumble when the plane hit the opposite side of the Pentagon". He could not see Rosslyn or Columbia Pike or Georgetown, but some listeners thought he said the plane flew over Rosslyn, and connected high-g turn with flying over Rosslyn. He said he was on the opposite side of the building, and "maybe" as far as flying over Rosslyn, let's go with Joel Suckerman, Mark Keso, Mike Walgram, the VDOT traffic observation tower employees, the two women near Courthouse Road on Columbia Pike, who all saw a Boeing 757, some saw it fly into the Pentagon, and the only ones who mention a small aircraft say it flew away from the area intact, all except for Oscar Campos, who may know Matthew Purdy of 2002 white van notoriety. Twenty minutes later it becomes clear why the channel 9 CBS crew is not choosing one set of witnesses over another --they think that flight 77 out of Dulles was a United plane that crashed into a WTC tower. United does not say for a much longer time where its flight 175 crashed. Two hours and eight minutes after WTC tower one fell, Laura Bush, first lady, appears on TV with Senator Ted Kennedy as the cancellation of the HEW committee where she was scheduled to speak about educating children was cancelled. Note the connection to her husband's alibi. Eleven minutes later Dave Statter says the explosions he heard were burning tires exploding. Two hours twenty-four minutes after WTC tower one fell, Gordon Peterson clarifies that Harry Gold was on the other side of the Pentagon, which we now know means he did not see the Boeing fly over Rosslyn. Forget that. Six minutes later we are informed that there were 22 international inbound flights still in the air, and 50 domestic flights, which would all be permitted to land somewhere but not DC or NY. Pilots who had been diverted from NY to DC earlier were interviewed, they landed at Reagan National for a short time after the Pentagon crash, one said he,"saw the smoke and knew what happened". (At some point one witness said that the initial smoke was white, later it became black. Video never shows any fire department effort to spray water or foam on fire through Pentagon windows where flames are coming out--early they sprayed into the hole for a bit but after the front wall came down they seemed to be spraying across the video coverage rather than on or into anything --possible upgrading the damage to adjacent areas). Twelve minutes later Dan Rather is still misinformed and confused about American Airlines flight 77 out of Dulles. AA77 was the only 757 hijacked, give the media a break here. Twelve more minutes, and David Markham, national security correspondent, tells Dan Rather that witnesses saw a 757 crash into the Pentagon. Those witnesses said it was an American Airlines 757, and that could only be flight 77 out of Dulles, but we don't hear an explicit correction of mis-statements about flight 77 being a United flight, or United flight 175(not AA77) crashing in New York, for quite a while. 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