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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:22:12 -0700 (PDT)
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To: Israelite Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Re: [ISRAEL_V_EDOM] israelite Israeli
Government does not recognize Israeli nation {01}
Russia offered Birobidjan in the 20's or 30's and it is a great location.
You can almost see Japan from there. Maybe the Russians can lead them out
of Israel to that promised land now and let the True Israelites in.
Z
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Israelite Knight wrote:
> Well, now we know why "Israel" never in half a century ever won an Olympic
> Gold Medal: "Israel" doesn't exist. How fitting for these double-minded
> morons who blasphemy God and Jesus by calling themselves "God's chosen
> people"!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Party of Citizens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "hengist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:10 PM
> Subject: (Archive Copy) [israelite (Moderated)] Fw: Israeli Government does
> not recognize Israeli nation {01}
>
>
> > Bull's eye. Only if all of the churchocrats sustain closed-minded
> > bigotry to match that of JKKK will the Edomites retain their support.
> >
> > Unless Jesus Christ lied when He said He came ONLY to find the lost sheep
> > of Israel (because the torch of civilization had been passed to us from
> > the Hebrews and the Patriarchs of Babylon before them) that nation of
> > self-identified ANTICHRISTS cannot be True Israel.
> >
> > But as for White Right Israelite thing, keep in mind that we will likely
> > become Super-White as we colonize the planets and move beyond ... genetic
> > engineering and all that.
> >
> > As for my super-white pigmentation choice, how about nice shiny yellow
> > and black bands? I'd like wings too! And a stinger would be a nice option.
> > Guess who should watch his backside thereafter (hint, initials JKKK).
> >
> > Zandu Goldbar
> > $$$$$$$$$$$$$
> > WASP FOR PROFIT
> >
> > PS-Thanks for the reminder below. I'm long overdue for a trip to the
> > library and a half day of reading the Edomite/Idumaean encyclopedias.
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, hengist wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "The [Israeli] Interior Ministry refuses, saying that no such
> > > nation [Israel] appears on its list. "
> > >
> > > Hmm. must be a Jewish 'thing', ... we wouldn't understand.
> > > But then again, knowing the Talmudic mind and propensity
> > > for legal nit-picking. Perhaps, the savants of Esau/Edom
> > > [see Jewish Encyclopedia (Vol. V, (1904), p. 41)] are just
> > > a mite leery of their misappropriation of the title 'Israel'.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/10003/
> > >
> > > A Nation? What Nation?
> > > by Uri Avnery
> > > (Friday 24 September 2004)
> > >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> > >
> > > "For many people it is difficult to give up the Zionist myths with which
> they grew up. They try to evade any discussion on this subject - and indeed,
> it is hardly ever mentioned in our media."
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> > >
> > >
> > > It sounds like a joke, but it is quite serious.
> > >
> > > The government of Israel does not recognize the Israeli nation. It says
> that there is no such thing.
> > >
> > > Could you imagine the French government denying the existence of the
> French Nation? Or the government of the United States of America not
> recognizing the (US) American nation? But then, Israel is the land of
> unlimited possibilities.
> > >
> > > Every person in Israel is recorded in the Interior Ministry's "registry
> of inhabitants". The registration includes the item "nation". This entry
> also appears on the Identity Card that every person in Israel is legally
> obliged to carry with them at all times or risk criminal prosecution.
> > >
> > > The Interior Ministry lists 140 recognized nations which its officers
> can register. This includes not only established nations ("Russian",
> "German", French" etc.) but also "Christian", "Muslim", "Druze" and more.
> The "nation" of an Arab citizen of Israel, for example, may be recorded as
> "Arab", "Christian" or "Catholic" (but not "Palestinian" - the Interior
> Ministry is not yet aware of the existence of such a nation.)
> > >
> > > Most Israeli inhabitants carry, of course, identity cards saying
> "Nation: Jewish". This has now become a subject of debate.
> > >
> > > A group of 38 Israelis have asked for the cancellation of their
> registration as "Jewish" and its replacement with "Israeli". The Interior
> Ministry refuses, saying that no such nation appears on its list. The group
> has petitioned the High Court of Justice to instruct the ministry to
> register them as belonging to the "Israeli" nation. This week, the case came
> before the court.
> > >
> > > The 38 include some of the most eminent professors in Israel
> (historians, philosophers, sociologists and the like), well-known public
> figures and others (including my humble self). One of the initiators is a
> Druze. They are far from belonging to one political camp - indeed, they
> include both leftists and rightists. One of them is Benny Peled, former
> commander of the Air Force, a very right-wing person, who died after the
> petition was submitted.
> > >
> > > The Supreme Court (sitting as the High Court of Justice) handled the
> case like a hot potato. (Even though Justice Mishal Heshin was delighted to
> find in the ministry's list the "Assyrian" nation - actually a small
> religious community, a remnant of antiquity which still speaks an Aramaic
> dialect.)
> > >
> > > On the main point, the judges said that the High Court - dealing
> generally with administrative matters - is not equipped to rule on such a
> profound question. It advised the petitioners to apply to the District
> Court, where a wide discussion is possible and expert witnesses can be
> called. The petitioners accepted this advice, and so the battle will be
> transferred to another judicial forum that will have to devote to it many
> hearings.
> > >
> > > Why does the Israeli government refuse to recognize the Israeli nation?
> According to the official doctrine, there exists a "Jewish" nation, and the
> state belongs to it. After all, it is a "Jewish State", or, in the words of
> one of the laws, "the state of the Jewish people". According to the same
> doctrine, it is also a democratic state, and all its citizens are supposed
> to be equal, irrespective of their national affinity. But basically the
> state is "Jewish".
> > >
> > > According to this doctrine, Jewry is both a nation and a religion. In
> the first years of Israel, it was still the rule that if a person declared,
> bona fide , that he is a Jew, he was registered as such. But when the
> religious camp attained more power, the law was amended and from then on a
> person was registered as a Jew only if his mother was Jewish or he had
> converted to the Jewish faith and not adopted another religion. This is, of
> course, a purely religious definition (according to Jewish religious law, a
> person is Jewish if his mother is. The father is irrelevant in this
> context.)
> > >
> > > This situation has created another problem. In Israel, the orthodox
> rabbinate enjoys a monopoly on Jewish religious affairs. Two other Jewish
> religious factions that are very important in the United States,
> Conservative and Reform, are discriminated against in Israel and conversions
> conducted by them are not recognized by the government. Some years ago, the
> High Court decided that persons converted to Judaism in Israel by these two
> communities must also be registered under "Nation: Jewish". Whereupon the
> Interior Minister at that time, a religious politician, peremptorily decreed
> that all future identity cards will show, under the item "nation", only five
> stars. But in the Ministry's "registry of inhabitants", it still says
> "Nation: Jewish".
> > >
> > > The roots of the confusion go back to the beginnings of the Zionist
> movement. Until then, Jews throughout the world were a religious-ethnic
> community. This was abnormal in contemporary Europe, but quite normal 2000
> years ago, when such communities - Hellenic, Jewish, Christian and many
> more - were the norm. Each was autonomous in the Byzantine Empire and had
> its own laws and jurisdiction. A Jewish man in Alexandria could marry a
> Jewish woman in Antioch, but not his Christian neighbor. The Ottoman empire
> continued this tradition, calling the communities millets (from an Arabic
> word for nation).
> > >
> > > But when the modern national movements arose in Europe, and it appeared
> that the Jews had no place in them, the founders of the Zionist movement
> decided that the Jews should constitute themselves as an independent nation
> and create a national state of their own. The religious-ethnic community was
> simply redefined as a nation, and thus a nation came into being that was
> also a religion, and a religion that was also a nation.
> > >
> > > That was, of course, a fiction, but a necessary one for Zionism, which
> claimed Palestine for the Jewish "nation". In order to conduct a national
> struggle, there must be a nation.
> > >
> > > However, two generations later, the fiction became reality. In Palestine
> a real nation, with a national reality and a national culture developed.
> Members of this nation considered themselves Jews, but Jews who are
> different in many respects from the other Jews in the world.
> > >
> > > Before the creation of the State of Israel, and without a conscious
> decision being made, in everyday Hebrew parlance a distinction was made
> between "Hebrew" and "Jewish". One spoke of the "Hebrew Yishuv" (the new
> society in Palestine) and "Jewish religion", "Hebrew" agriculture and
> "Jewish tradition", "Hebrew" worker" and "Jewish diaspora", "Hebrew
> underground" and "Jewish" Holocaust. When I was a boy, we demonstrated for
> Jewish immigration and a Hebrew state.
> > >
> > > When Israel came into being, things became simpler. Every Israeli who is
> asked abroad about his national identity, answers automatically: "I am an
> Israeli". It would not enter his head to say "I am a Jew", unless
> specifically asked about his religion.
> > >
> > > There is no contradiction between our being Israelis and Jews. Modern
> man is composed of different layers that do not cancel each other out. A
> person can be a man by gender, a vegetarian by inclination, a Jew by
> religion and an Israeli by national group. A woman in Brooklyn can be Jewish
> and American at one and the same time - Jewish by origin and religion,
> belonging to the (US) American nation.
> > >
> > > According to modern Western norms, a nation is defined by citizenship,
> indeed in many languages "nationality" does denote citizenship. Every
> American citizen belongs to the (US) American nation, whether he is by
> origin Scottish, Mexican, African or Jewish. By religion, an American can be
> Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist or Evangelical. That has no bearing on his
> belonging to the nation, which is a political collective.
> > >
> > > European nations, too, adapt themselves slowly to these norms. Only
> Fascists demand "total" conformity of race, nation and language.
> > >
> > > Why is this important? Contrary to the now defunct Fascist doctrine,
> belonging to a nation is a matter of autonomous decision. The hundreds of
> thousands of Russians who came to Israel legally (as close relatives of
> Jews), who serve in the Israeli army and pay Israeli taxes - if they want to
> belong to the Israeli nation, they do indeed belong to it. Arab citizens who
> want to belong to the Israeli nation are indeed Israelis - without giving up
> their Palestinian identity and their Muslim, Christian or Druze religion.
> > >
> > > For many people it is difficult to give up the Zionist myths with which
> they grew up. They try to evade any discussion on this subject - and indeed,
> it is hardly ever mentioned in our media. Our petition to the High Court of
> Justice, and soon to the District court, is designed to provoke, at long
> last, such debate.
> > >
> > > Two thousand years ago, the Prophet Jonah found himself on a ship tossed
> by a storm. The frightened seamen, looking for someone to blame, asked him
> (Jonah, 1,8): "What is thy country? And of what people art thou?" To which
> Jonah replied: "I am Hebrew!"
> > >
> > > In response to the same question we declare: "We are Israelis!"
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