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-Caveat Lector- Thanks to Daniel Hopsicker for these two links. They are from the same author, Jonathan
Landay, but each has slightly different details on Atta and KSM connections and what
FBI Sibel Edmonds is likely to know about 911.

Atta is connected by these two articles to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, 911 mastermind.
Atta has been connected to 911 moneyman, Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh. Both KSM and
Saeed Sheikh are Pak, and it has been proven that when Saeed Sheikh funded Atta, he
was taking orders from Pak ISI General Ahmed to fund Atta. The same General Ahmed
met with Porter Goss in Pakistan in August 2001, and again at breakfast in DC the
morning of 911. Porter Goss is now director of CIA in 2004.

The 911 commission report says the nationality of KSM is classified, and the nationality
of Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh is Egyptian. KSM and Saeed Sheikh's connections to
lead hijacker Atta and to Porter Goss through General Ahmed are not discussed, can
you imagine why? The subject of conversation at breakfast 9/11/2001 between Goss
and Pak ISI General Ahmed in Washington is not specified in the 911 commission
report, can you imagine why not?

Can you imagine any benefit to Porter Goss in having KSM and Ahmed Omar Saeed
Sheikh kidnap and kill reporter Daniel Pearl?

Can you imagine why it would not be much reported that when KSM was arrested, in
Pakistan, Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh was arrested at the same house, temporarily?

Can you imagine why the 911 commission report, in addition to failing to mention
KSM and Saeed Sheikh's Pak ethnicity and long history as Pak ISI agents, the report
would claim falsely that Saeed Sheikh is "Egyptian"? Here is a little clue as to why
claiming that Atta was funded by an Egyptian, not a longterm Pak ISI agent, would
be better for Porter Goss, if Goss was having breakfast with Pak ISI General Ahmed
the morning of 9/11/2001--

"According to U.S. officials, Atta, an EGYPTIAN..."

Get it?

"[2002 this Miami Herald article] The FBI says Mohammed[KSM] is from Kuwait, but the
Kuwaiti government denies he is a citizen
" No way did FBI in 2002 believe that KSM was
anything but a Pakistani-Baluchistani longterm Pak ISI agent. KSM was involved in the
WTCbomb plot. Check here and see if you can believe FBI could fail to know that KSM
is Pakistani and a longterm Pak ISI agent.

http://www.thugsanon.org/htm/50426.html
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [apfn-1] Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Do you know this man? I do!

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Do you know this man? I do!

This man was involved in the Honzagool Case in the Bronx Supreme Court
on March 26, 1982. Yesterday, he was arrested in Rawalpindi, Pakistan
and identified as the man most directly involved in the attack on the
World Trade Center on 9-11. I have been saying for years that the same
people involved in the Honzagool Case in the Bronx Supreme Court were
the people involved in the two attacks on the World Trade Center.

Why did not the FBI listen to me? I have been saying that I know these
people. I know their names. I have met them. I know where they are or
have been.

Even now, the press has it wrong. They are saying that this man is an
Arab. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is not an Arab. He is a Pakistani. I know
him.

Why don't they call up Judge Anthony Mercorella, the judge in the
Honzagool Case, who now lives in Florida?
 
-Bob

http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/3416632.htm?1c
Miami Herald
Thu, Jun. 06, 2002

NSA didn't share key pre-Sept. 11 information, sources say

By JONATHAN S. LANDAY

Knight Ridder Newspapers

A secretive U.S. eavesdropping agency monitored telephone
conversations before Sept. 11 between the suspected commander of the World Trade
Center and Pentagon attacks and the alleged chief hijacker, but did not share the
information with other intelligence agencies, U.S. officials said Thursday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the conversations between
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Mohammed Atta were intercepted by the National
Security Agency, or NSA, an intelligence agency that monitors and decodes foreign
communications.

The NSA failed to share the intercepts with the CIA or other U.S. intelligence agencies,
the officials told Knight Ridder. It also failed to promptly translate some intercepted
Arabic language conversations, a senior intelligence official said.

The officials declined to disclose the nature of the discussions between Mohammed,
a known leader of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network who is on the FBI's Most
Wanted Terrorists list, and Atta, who piloted one of the planes that hit the World
Trade Center. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is believed to be hiding in Pakistan.

Another intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was "simply
not true" that the NSA monitored the conversations and failed to share the information
with other intelligence agencies.

An NSA spokesperson said that as a rule "we neither confirm or deny actual or alleged
intelligence operations." She declined to say more.

The disclosure of the intercepts marks the first time the NSA has been dragged into the
controversy over whether U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies may have had
information prior to Sept. 11 that could have helped avert history's most deadly terrorist
attacks.

The CIA and FBI are already under fire for mishandling information that could have
provided clues to the attack or to the presence in the United States of some of the
hijackers.

A U.S. official familiar with the NSA intercepts said they might have contributed to the
building of a "threat matrix" — or overall picture — if added to the CIA and FBI
information.

The House and Senate intelligence committees are scrutinizing the NSA, CIA and FBI
as they examine what the government knew or should have known about the terrorist
threat prior to the attacks.

Committee investigators are aware of the intercepts of the conversations between
Mohammed and Atta and the NSA's failure to share them with other intelligence
agencies, said the senior U.S. intelligence official.

The official said investigators had determined that some intercepts were not translated in
a timely fashion. In other cases, he said, NSA analysts apparently did not recognize the
significance of what they had.

The congressional investigators' initial conclusion is that the NSA's human and technical
systems are not up to the job of translating, sorting, analyzing and disseminating the ever-
increasing avalanche of data the agency collects, the official said.

"The basic task of an intelligence analyst is to take a pile of stuff from different sources
and look for a pattern," said the senior intelligence official. "In order for that to work, the
analysts need to see everything that's available. But with the system we have, they almost
never do, because the system doesn't work right."

The NSA is the U.S. intelligence community's premier code-breaker and foreign
communications eavesdropper. It also protects American communications systems.

Run by the Department of Defense, the NSA is the largest of the 13 agencies that make
up the U.S. "intelligence community." It was created in 1952 and was once so secret that
it was jokingly referred to as "No Such Agency." Although its budget and staff size are
secrets, it is believed to have more than 30,000 employees and an annual budget of more
than $5 billion.

From its headquarters in Fort Meade, Md., outside Washington, the agency operates a
globe-spanning network of satellites and ground stations that monitor millions of telephone
and fax calls, radio signals and e-mails. It also processes signals collected by ships,
submarines and aircraft.

Acres of underground super computers that recognize keywords such as names search
through the data to find communications such as conversations between terrorists.

The NSA is prohibited by law from monitoring calls to and from the United States without
special court orders.

The high-tech spy agency is credited with coups that helped win the Cold War, such as
listening to Soviet leaders' talking on the telephone in their limousines. Another NSA
victory was catching Libya red-handed in the 1986 bombing of a Berlin discotheque.

More recently, the NSA alerted the CIA, FBI and other agencies to a meeting in Kuala
Lumpur, Malaysia, in January 2000 between a bin Laden lieutenant and two of the Sept.
11 hijackers.

But in recent years, the agency has struggled under post-Cold War budget and staff cuts.
Meanwhile, a global explosion in telecommunications technologies, from digital telephones
to fiber optic networks, has made the NSA's task more difficult.

Other NSA problems include aging equipment and a lack of translators.

"They're still going through these . . . changes, the extremely difficult changes, converting
from the Cold War to the war on terrorism," said James Bamford, author of two books on
the NSA.

In fighting terrorism, the agency focused on watching for large transfers of cash and
explosives, Bamford said. But the Sept. 11 plot involved neither. It revolved around small
terrorist cells whose members rarely talked and whose methods were no more sophisticated
than "getting together to knock over a gas station," he said.

The senior intelligence official said that when the NSA monitored their conversations,
Mohammed was overseas and Atta was in the United States.

Mohammed was included on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorist List when it was published in
October because he had been indicted on charges of being involved in a failed 1995 plot to
bomb 11 U.S. airliners flying over the Pacific Ocean on a single day. The U.S. Justice
Department has offered a $25 million reward for him.

Based on information developed since Sept. 11, including recent interrogations of a senior
al-Qaida member captured in Pakistan, U.S. officials have concluded that Mohammed had
overall command of the Pentagon and World Trade Center attacks.

The FBI says Mohammed is from Kuwait, but the Kuwaiti government denies he is a citizen.

According to U.S. officials, Atta, an Egyptian, was the leader of the 19 hijackers who crashed
two airliners into the World Trade Center, another into the Pentagon and a fourth into a field
in Pennsylvania.

U.S. investigators believe Mohammed might have met several times in Germany in 1999 with
Atta or members of Atta's al-Qaida cell.


Bob wrote:
"Another intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was "simply
NOT  true" that the NSA...did NOT share the information with [FBI and Sibel Edmonds]"

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/3418898.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp
Dallas Fort Worth TX, Star-Telegram, Friday, June 7, 2002

Agency heard terrorists talk before 9-11

By JONATHAN S. LANDAY
Knight Ridder News Service
WASHINGTON - A secretive U.S. eavesdropping agency monitored telephone
conversations before Sept. 11 between the suspected commander of the World
Trade Center and Pentagon attacks and the man thought to be the chief hijacker,
but it did not share the information with other intelligence agencies, U.S. officials
said Thursday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the conversations between
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and hijacker Mohammed Atta were intercepted by the
National Security Agency, which monitors and decodes foreign communications.

The NSA did not share the intercepts with other U.S. intelligence agencies, including
the CIA, the officials told Knight Ridder News Service. Nor did it promptly translate
some intercepted Arabic conversations, said a senior intelligence official.

The officials declined to disclose the nature of the discussions between Mohammed
and Atta. Mohammed was a known leader of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network at
the time and had been indicted in a failed 1995 plot to bomb 11 U.S. airliners flying
over the Pacific Ocean on a single day. He was put on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists
list when it was created, after Sept. 11, and is believed to be hiding in Pakistan.

Atta piloted one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center. It was not clear what the
NSA knew about him when it intercepted his conversations.

Another intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was "simply
not true" that the NSA monitored the conversations and that it did not share the
information  with other intelligence agencies.

An NSA spokeswoman said that as a rule, "we neither confirm or deny actual or alleged
intelligence operations." She declined to say more.

The disclosure of the intercepts brings the agency into the controversy over whether U.S.
intelligence and law enforcement agencies might have had information before Sept. 11
that could have helped avert the deadly terrorist attacks.

The CIA and FBI are already under fire for mishandling information that could have
provided clues to the attack or to the presence in the United States of some of the hijackers.

A U.S. official familiar with the NSA intercepts said they might have contributed to the
building of a "threat matrix," or overall picture, if added to the CIA and FBI information.

The House and Senate intelligence committees are scrutinizing the NSA, CIA and FBI as
they examine what the government knew or should have known about the terrorist threat
before Sept. 11.

Committee investigators are aware that the NSA intercepted the conversations between
Mohammed and Atta and did not share them with other intelligence agencies, said the
senior U.S. intelligence official.

The official said investigators had determined that some intercepts were not translated in
a timely fashion. In other cases, he said, NSA analysts apparently did not recognize the
significance of what they had.

The official said that when the NSA monitored their conversations, Mohammed was
overseas, and Atta was in the United States.

The Justice Department has offered a $25 million reward for Mohammed.

The congressional investigators' initial conclusion is that the NSA's human and technical
systems are not up to the job of translating, sorting, analyzing and disseminating the increasing
avalanche of data the agency collects, the official said.

"The basic task of an intelligence analyst is to take a pile of stuff from different sources and
look for a pattern," said the senior intelligence official. "In order for that to work, the analysts
need to see everything that's available. But with the system we have, they almost never do,
because the system doesn't work right."

The NSA is the U.S. intelligence community's premier code breaker and foreign communications
eavesdropper. It also protects American communications systems.

Run by the Defense Department, the NSA is the largest of the 13 agencies that make up the U.S.
intelligence community. It was created in 1952 and was once so secret that it was jokingly
referred to as No Such Agency. Although its budget and staff size are secrets, it is believed to
have more than 30,000 employees and an annual budget of more than $5 billion.

>From its headquarters in Fort Meade, Md., outside Washington, the agency operates a globe-
spanning network of satellites and ground stations that monitor millions of telephone and fax
calls, radio signals and e-mails. It also processes signals collected by ships, submarines and
aircraft.

The NSA is credited with acts that helped win the Cold War, such as listening to Soviet leaders
talking on the telephone in their limousines. Another NSA victory was catching Libya red-
handed in the 1986 bombing of a Berlin discotheque.

More recently, the NSA alerted the CIA, FBI and other agencies to a meeting in Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia, in January 2000 between a bin Laden lieutenant and two of the Sept. 11 hijackers.

In fighting terrorism, the agency focused on watching for large transfers of cash and explosives,
said James Bamford, author of two books on the NSA. But the Sept. 11 plot involved neither.
It revolved around small terrorist cells whose members rarely talked and whose methods were
no more sophisticated than "getting together to knock over a gas station," he said.


www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

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