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-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Fox’s Wendell Goler:
Secret Wiretapping Program
Used 18,000-Plus Times
<That's a whole lot of Americans "directly linked to Al-Qaeda" ..So, WHO, really, are being secretly spied on, and for WHAT?>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/program-goler/
Yesterday, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said President Bush’s warrantless spying activies were part of a “very concentrated, very limited program.”
But during today’s press briefing, Fox News White House correspondent Wendell Goler stated his “understanding” that the program was used “18,000-plus times.” Scott McClellan refused to confirm or deny Goler’s numbers:
GOLER: It’s our understanding this power has been used 18,000-plus times. Are we to presume that there are that many al Qaeda agents in this country?
MR. McCLELLAN: I’m not going to get into talking about more than what we’ve said publicly. That’s getting into more than what we’ve talked about publicly, so I’m not in a position to confirm or deny the numbers that you threw out there.
If Goler is correct, Bush’s program could hardly be described as “very concentrated” or “very limited.”
GOLER: You don’t want to give us an indication of how often this power is used, and you don’t want to give us an indication of the size of the potential threat in this country?
MR. McCLELLAN: No, I think, again, the Attorney General and General Hayden talked a little bit about this yesterday, but I talked about the nature of this authorization and the scope of it, and I talked about the safeguards and oversight that are in place. This is very carefully reviewed every 45 days and it –
GOLER: I really don’t need you to go there.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, no, but this goes to your question. It is limited to people who have -- one of the parties to the communication have a clear connection to al Qaeda or ["]terrorist["] organizations, and one of the parties is operating outside of the United States. I think that’s important for people to know, because there’s been some suggestions that it’s spying inside the US. That’s not the case. <<See NY Times item below proving otherwise.>>
GOLER: I’ll stipulate that. But it is limited to that situation, are we to presume, then, that there are in excess of tens of thousands of Al Qaeda agents in this country, because it’s been used that many times?
MR. McCLELLAN: No, I’m not confirming or denying those numbers. I don’t think anyone has done that publicly, so I’m not going to get into a discussion of that nature.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/politics/21nsa.html?e...
Spying Program Snared U.S. CallsNew York Times, December 21, 2005
WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 - A surveillance program approved by President Bush to conduct eavesdropping without warrants has captured what are purely domestic communications in some cases, despite a requirement by the White House that one end of the intercepted conversations take place on foreign soil, officials say.
The officials say the National Security Agency's interception of a small number of communications between people within the United States was apparently accidental, and was caused by technical glitches at the National Security Agency in determining whether a communication was in fact "international."
Telecommunications experts say the issue points up troubling logistical questions about the program. At a time when communications networks are increasingly globalized, it is sometimes difficult even for the NSA to determine whether someone is inside or outside the United States when making a cellphone call or sending an e-mail message. As a result, people that the security agency may think are outside the United States are actually on American soil.
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But in at least one instance, someone using an international cellphone was thought to be outside the United States when in fact both people in the conversation were in the country. Officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the program remains classified, would not discuss the number of accidental intercepts, but the total is thought to represent a very small fraction of the total number of wiretaps that Mr. Bush has authorized without getting warrants. In all, officials say the program has been used to eavesdrop on as many as 500 people at any one time, with the total number of people reaching perhaps into the thousands ...Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at:
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