-Caveat Lector- Al Gore says there is no science to back the opposing view regarding the relationship between man made carbon emissions and global warming, and Mr Beam objects? This is actually a true statement. There is no scientific evidence that increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere - plus other man made chemicals or those resulting from man's activities - does NOT cause an increase in global temperature.
Those who disagree with the Gore viewpoint merely argue that the relationship is not proven. That is not the same as offering scientific proof that there is no relationship. Further, I have seen volumes of work by scientists all over the globe, which include the latest satellite photos of the glacial icepack melting in greenland, the arctic circle, and antarctica...all of which offer compelling scientfic evidence that melting og glacial ice - especially near the poles - is occuring at a much faster rate than expected, and over a greater area. I do not recall the last period they compared the melting with, so I won't state it. But it was in the realms of hundreds of years, at least. Misters Bacon and Beam are free to be a skeptics, but before they decide one side over the other they needs to weigh all the evidence as well as the source. How many scientists argue against global warming as compared with those who argue for it? What actual verifiable evidence do both sides present? And what are their credentials and areas of expertise in making these claims? Are they actual scientists who have studied the problem, or do they merely have some certificates from universities upon which they base their "expertise"?...The Wizard of Oz can tell you the value of those. Also, if - as the government says - there is no threat of global warming from carbon emissions why do they have programs like chemtrails trying to put reflective particles into the stratosphere to reflect sunlight and mitigate its non-existent effects? MQ PS: please check my website for my free book, Lizards In The White House, where I have a couple of chapters devoted to this. It's free. http://www.freeoriginalbooks.com -----Original Message----- >From: "William A. Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Aug 31, 2006 2:34 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [CTRL] [JBirch] MIT's inconvenient scintist > >-Caveat Lector- > >http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/08/30/mits_inconvenient_scientist/ > >Boston.com >The Boston Globe >ALEX BEAM >MIT's inconvenient scientist > >By Alex Beam, Globe Columnist | August 30, 2006 > >Speech codes are rare in the industrialized, >Western democracies. In Germany and Austria, for >instance, it is forbidden to proselytize Nazi >ideology or trivialize the Holocaust. Given those >countries' recent histories, that is a restraint >on free expression we can live with. > >More curious are our own taboos on the subject of >global warming. I sat in a roomful of journalists >10 years ago while Stanford climatologist Stephen >Schneider lectured us on a big problem in our >profession: soliciting opposing points of view. >In the debate over climate change, Schneider >said, there simply was no legitimate opposing >view to the scientific consensus that man - made >carbon emissions drive global warming. To suggest >or report otherwise, he said, was irresponsible. > >Indeed. I attended a week's worth of lectures on >global warming at the Chautauqua Institution last >month. Al Gore delivered the kickoff lecture, >and, 10 years later, he reiterated Schneider's >directive. There is no science on the other side, >Gore inveighed, more than once. Again, the same >message: If you hear tales of doubt, ignore them. >They are simply untrue. > >I ask you: Are these convincing arguments? And >directed at journalists, who are natural >questioners and skeptics, of all people? What >happens when you are told not to eat the apple, >not to read that book, not to date that girl? >Your interest is piqued, of course. What am I not >supposed to know? > >Here's the kind of information the ``scientific >consensus" types don't want you to read. MIT's >Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology Richard >Lindzen recently complained about the ``shrill >alarmism" of Gore's movie ``An Inconvenient >Truth." Lindzen acknowledges that global warming >is real, and he acknowledges that increased >carbon emissions might be causing the warming -- >but they also might not. > >``We do not understand the natural internal >variability of climate change" is one of >Lindzen's many heresies, along with such zingers >as ``the Arctic was as warm or warmer in 1940," >``the evidence so far suggests that the Greenland >ice sheet is actually growing on average," and >``Alpine glaciers have been retreating since the >early 19th century, and were advancing for >several centuries before that. Since about 1970, >many of the glaciers have stopped retreating and >some are now advancing again. And, frankly, we >don't know why." > >When Lindzen published similar views in The Wall >Street Journal this spring, environmentalist >Laurie David, the wife of comedian Larry David, >immediately branded him a ``shill." She >resurrected a shopworn slur first directed >against Lindzen by former Globe writer Ross >Gelbspan, who called Lindzen a ``hood ornament" >for the fossil fuels industry in a 1995 article >in Harper's Magazine. > >I decided to check out Lindzen for myself. He >wasn't hard to find on the 16th floor of MIT's >I.M. Pei-designed Building 54, and he answered as >many questions as I had time to ask. He's no big >fan of Gore's, having suffered through what he >calls a ``Star Chamber" Congressional inquisition >by the then senator . He said he accepted $10,000 >in expenses and expert witness fees from fossil- >fuel types in the 1990s, and has taken none of >their money since. > >He's smart. He's an effective debater. No wonder >the Steve Schneiders and Al Gores of the world >don't want you to hear from him. It's easier to >call someone a shill and accuse him of corruption >than to debate him on the merits. > >While vacationing in Canada, I spotted a >newspaper story that I hadn't seen in the United >States. For no apparent reason, the state of >California, Environmental Defense, and the >Natural Resources Defense Council have dragged >Lindzen and about 15 other global- warming >skeptics into a lawsuit over auto- emissions >standards. California et al . have asked the auto >companies to cough up any and all communications >they have had with Lindzen and his colleagues, >whose research has been cited in court documents. > >``We know that General Motors has been paying for >this fake science exactly as the tobacco >companies did," says ED attorney Jim Marston. If >Marston has a scintilla of evidence that Lindzen >has been trafficking in fake science, he should >present it to the MIT provost's office. >Otherwise, he should shut up. > >``This is the criminalization of opposition to >global warming," says Lindzen, who adds he has >never communicated with the auto companies >involved in the lawsuit. Of course Lindzen isn't >a fake scientist, he's an inconvenient scientist. >No wonder you're not supposed to listen to him. > >Alex Beam is a Globe columnist. His e-dress is [EMAIL PROTECTED] >© Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company > > > >The opinions expressed on this forum are those of the authors of the articles >posted. The John Birch Society has no responsibility for anything that is >posted in this forum. The OFFICIAL John Birch Society web page is a >www.jbs.org Visit The New American at www.thenewamerican.com for accurate >information. >NEW information portal for the John Birch Society: >www.johnbirchsociety.info > > >"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." >Edmund Burke 1729-1797 > >What is >The Answer To The Greatest Question? >Click here to find out: >http://1smartest.net/ > >Get FAST unlimited reliable uncensored internet service for $9.95 per month >No Setup Fees. >No Contracts. >No limit on email groups. >5 email accounts at no additional cost. >Fastest Dialup Connection available. > >Click here now >http://www.1smartisp.net/sc/?page=ispsignup >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JBirch/ > ><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >www.ctrl.org >DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >========== >CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic >screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are >sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- >directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with >major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. >That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and >always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no >credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > >Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. >======================================================================== >Archives Available at: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ ><A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/";>ctrl</A> >======================================================================== >To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/";>ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
