-Caveat Lector- Well, we have Doc Marquis who grew up in a Illumanati family. There is an interview with him at the Sightings archive. He talks about their religion (luciferian if I remember right) and a friend of his took a picture of them at Bohemian Grove. They were dressed in robes around the fire.Their holidays demand child sacrifices. Sounds close. Kris Millegan wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Konformist: Icke's Shape-shifting Reptilians > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:29:24 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > Please send as far and wide as possible. > > Thanks, > > Robert Sterling > Editor, The Konformist > http://www.konformist.com > > If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, > please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" > (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) > > Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist > > Icke's Shape-shifting Reptilians > From: Bruce Fleming > > IUFO Mailing List > > Excerpt from David Icke book "The Biggest Secret" concerning > shape-shifting reptilians > > [Note: Weeks after reading Icke's book. I still don't know what to > think or make of it. Browsing thru old iufo archives. I found out that > a person here has indeed seen one of these super-imposed reptoid > figure. However. Icke said there are many kinds of Reptilian; there > are those full bloodied reptilians who can shape-shift, there are > those who are possessed. So far I've only heard directly from a > person about the latter. Has anyone of you or know others who have > actually seen the shape-shifting version of the Reptoids? Icke also > mentioned about Cathy O'Brien being raped by a number of different > political figures such as Bill Clinton. It may or may not be true. But > then who would have believed the 22 yr old Monica if not for a fact > that she is a White House Intern. Let's keep an open mind and subject > everything to full scale critical multi-disciplinary analysis. I'll > comment on the bloodlines question in a separate message. - Bruce] > > David Icke wrote: > > "In a remarkable period of 15 days as I travelled, around the United > States in 1998, I met more than a dozen separate people who told me of > how they had seen humans transform into reptiles and go back again in > front of their eyes. Two television presenters had just such an > experience while interviewing, a man who was in favour of the global > centralisation of power known as the New World Order. After the live > interview, the male presenter said to his colleague that he had > experienced an amazing sight during the interview. He had seen the > man's face transform into a lizard-like creature and then return to > human. His female fellow presenter was astounded because she had seen > the interviewee's hands turn reptilian. The male presenter also told > me of an experience a policeman friend had while making a routine > visit: to an office block in Aurora, near Denver, Colorado. The > policeman had commented to an executive of one of the companies on the > ground: floor of the extreme nature o f security in the building. She > told him he should look at the higher floors if he wanted to know how > extensive it really was. She also pointed to a lift which only went > to certain floors at the top of the building and, as they chatted, she > told him of something she had seen some weeks earlier. The lift had > opened and a very strange figure had emerged. He was white to the > point of: being albino, but he had a face shaped like a lizard and his > eye pupils were vertical like a reptile's. This lizard-like figure, > had walked out of the lift a nd in to an official-looking car waiting > outside. The policeman was so intrigued that lie used his own time to > check on the companies at the top of the building served, by the > mystery lift. He found they were all fronts for the Central > Intelligence Agency, the CIA. > > Then there are the experiences of Cathy O'Brien, the mind controlled > slave of the United States government for more than 25 years, which > she details in her astonishing book, Trance Formation Of America, > written with Mark Phillips. She was sexually abused as a child and > as an adult by a stream of famous people named in her book. Among them > were the US Presidents, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton and, most > appallingly, George Bush, a: major player in the Brotherhood, as my > books and others have long exposed. It w as Bush, a paedophile and > serial killer, who regularly abused and raped Cathy's daughter, Kelly > O'Brien,, as a toddler before her mother's courageous exposure of > these staggering events forced the authorities to remove Kelly from > the mind control programme known as Project Monarch. Cathy writes in > Trance Formation Of America of how George Bush was sitting in front of > her in his office in Washington DC when, he opened a book at a page > depicting "lizard-like aliens fro m a far off, deep space place."" > Bush the n claimed to be an 'alien' himself and appeared, before her > eyes, to transform 'like a chameleon' into a reptile. Cathy believed > that some kind of hologram had been activated to achieve this and from > her understanding at the time I can see why she rationalised her > experience in this way. Anyone would, because the truth is too > fantastic to comprehend until you see the build up of evidence. > 'There's no doubt that alien~based mind programmes are part of these > mind control projects and that the whole U FO-extrat errestrial scene > is being massively manipulated, not least through Hollywood films > designed to mould public thinking. Cathy says in her book that George > Lucas, the producer of Star Wars, is an operative with NASA; and the > National Security Agency, the 'parent' body of the CIA." But given the > evidence presented by so many other people, I don't believe that what > Bush said and Cathy saw was just a mind control programme. I think he > was revealing the Biggest Secret, that a reptilian race from another > dimension has been controlling the planet for thousands of years. I > know other people who have seen Bush shape-shift into a reptilian, > > The president of Mexico in the 1980s, Miguel DeLa Madrid; also used > Cathy in her mind controlled state. She said he told her thetegend of > the Iguana and explained that lizard-like extraterrestrials had > descended upon the Mayans in Mexico. The Mayan pyramids, their > advanced astronomical technology and ~ the sacrifice of virgins, was > inspired by lizard-like aliens, he told her."' He added that these > reptilians interbred with the Mayans to produce a form of life they > could inhabit. De La Madrid told Cathy that these reptile-human > bloodlines could, fluctuate between a human and iguana appearance > through chameleon-like abilities .- "a perfect vehicle for > transforming into world leaders", lie said. De la Madrid claimed to > have Mayan-lizard ancestry in his blood which allowed him to transform > back to an iguana at will. He then changed before her eyes, as Bush > had, and appeared to have a lizard-like tongue and eyes." Cathy > understandably believed this to be another holograp hic projection, > but was it really? Or was De La Madrid saying something very close to > the truth? This theme of being like a chameleon is merely another term > for 'shape-shifting', a theme you find throughout the ancient world > and ' among open minded people, in the modern one too, Shapeshifting > is the ability to use your mind to project another physical image for > people to see. Everything is energy vibrating, at different speeds, so > if you use your mind to re-vibrate that energy to a different > resonance, you can appear in a ny form you choose. Many witn esses > have described ' how the so-called ~ 'Men in Black' materialise and > dernaterialise when they threaten people who are communicating > information about extraterrestrials and UFOs. They can do this because > they are interdimensional beings who can appear in any form. This is > the main reason for the obsession with interbreeding among the Elite > bloodline families. They are seeking to maintain a genetic structure > which allows them to move between di mensions and shape-shift between > a hurnan and reptilian appea rance. Once the genetic structure falls > too far from it's reptilian origin, they can't shapeshift in this way. > > <snip> > > Hunter S. Thompson in his book, Fear And, Loathing, In Las Vegas," > describes seeing reptiles while in adrugged condition and a guy I met > in the United States (in those 15 days I mentioned earlier) told me a > similar story. He 'tripped' on a large amounts of LSD in the 1960s and > in his seriously mind-altered state he would see some people as humans > and others as humanoid lizards and other reptiles. For a while he > believed that: he was merely hallucinating, but as a regular 'tripper' > at high doses he began to realise that what he was seeing, usually by > the third day of a five-day 'trip', was not an hallucination, but the > vibratory veils lifting which allowed him to see beyond the physical > to the force controlling the person. In these moments the same people > always had lizard features and the same people always looked human. > They never switched. He also began to observe that those around him > who appeared lizard-like in his altered state always seemed to react > the same to movies, televisi on programmes, etc. "We us ed to laugh > and say 'here come the lizards'," he told me. He believed there was, > to use his own phrase, a 'morphogenetic field' which transmitted to > the DNA of the lizard people and aligned the cell structure to the > reptilian genetic blueprint. The more reptilian genes a person carries > the easier it is for this communication, or rather control,: to take > place. And the ones with the cell structure most aligned to the > reptilian blueprint are the Elite fa milies that run the world to this > day. It: is not withou t reason that Diana, Princess of I/Vales used > to call the Windsors the 'lizards' and the 'reptiles' and said in all > seriousness: "They're not human".This was told to me by a close > confidant of Diana for nine years whom I quote at length later in the > book. > > At the end of that 15 days of meeting person after person telling me > the same story of seeing humans become reptiles, I was sitting in the > speakers' room at a Whole Life Expo event in Minneapolis where I was > appearing and was chatting about these experiences when a gifted > psychic lady said that she knew what I was talking about, because she > could see the reptiles inside and around the bodies of leading world > politicians, and the business, banking and military 61ite.This was > possible because, as someone wh o had accessed her psychic sight, she > could see beyond the physical and into the lower fourth dimension > where these reptilians reside. What did Miguel De La Madrid say to > Cathy O'Brien? The reptile-human bloodlines could fluctuate between a > human and iguana appearance through charneleon-like abilities .- "a > perfect vehicle for transforming into world: leaders' . This psychic > lady said that most of the people in positions of power appeared to be > reptiles, but there were other s who were still human and these > people, she said, were "overshadowed and controlled" by a reptile, but > they weren't actually reptiles. We would call this being possessed. > This is an important distinction. There are the 'full-bloods' who are > reptilians using an apparent human form to hide their true nature, and > the 'hybrids', the reptile-human crossbreed bloodlines, who,are > possessed by the reptilians from the fourth dimension. A third type > are the reptilians who directly man ifest in this dimension, but can't > hold that state indefinitely. Some of the 'Men in Black' are examples > of this. Many of the possessed people will have no idea that this is > so, but their thoughts are the reptilians' thoughts and they act in > ways that, advance the Agenda without realising the background to how > and, why they are being used. Leading Brotherhood families like the > Rothschilds and the Windsors are full-bloods reptilians wearing human > physical bodies like an overcoat in the full knowledge of who they are > and the Agenda they are s eeking to implement. Another c omment the > psychic lady made was that in her altered state of consciousness, > Hillary Clinton appeared as a reptile, while her husband, Bill Clinton > the US President, was only overshadowed, and controlled by one. This > is interesting because my own research, and: that of others, has > revealed Hillary Clinton to be much higher in, the hierarchy than > Bill, who, while of a crossbreed bloodline, is a pawn in the game, to > be used and discarded as necessary, I t is not always that the most > powerful people are placed in what appears to be the most powerful > jobs. Often they are not. They are the string-pullers of those who > appear to have the power. > > There is another key difference between the full-bloods and the > crossbreeds. Everything is created by sound. When you think or feel, > you emit a wave of energy which changes the energy around you to > resonate at that same vibratory level, That wave is actually a sound, > broadcasting beyond the range of human hearing. Form cannot exist > without sound. As you can see in a fantastic series of videos called > Cymatics, it is sound: which turns matter into form. In the videos, > sand and other particles are placed on a metal plate and this is > vibrated by different, sound,-, which rearrange the sand into amazing, > often geometric patterns. With each change of sound the patterns > change accordingly. Go back to the original sound and the original > pattern returns immediately. It is like the waves that form the > concentric circles of the planetary orbits around the Sun I mentioned > in the last chapter, The solar system is also the creation of sound. > Everything is. In the beginning was the word and the word was... > sound. In the Cy matics videos you see the particles form into mini > planets, solar systems and galaxies, just through sound vibrations. > Sound is also a wonderful form of healing because by resonating the > body and its organs at their proper vibration they can be healed. > Illness is disease, the disharmony of the natural vibrational state of > the body and, because our thoughts and emotions are actually sound > waves, our imbalanced thoughts and emotions disrupt the vibrational > harmony and therefore lead to diseas e. This is how em otional stress > causes illness. It is so simple. Anyway, another incredible example of > all this in the Cymatics videos is seeing almost:human-like figures > forming from the particles when certain sounds are emitted. Our bodies > are also the result of sound resonating energy into > form and if our mi nds are powerful enough to change the sound range > of th e body, it moves into another form or disappears from this > dimension, altogether. This is what is called shape-shifting. It is > not a miracle, it is science, the natural laws of creation. The > full-blood reptilians of the lower fourth dimension can therefore make > their 'human' physical: form disappear and ~ bring forward their > reptilian level of existence. They shape-shift. To us in this > dimension they appear human, but it's just a vibrational overcoat, > > After the first draft, of this chapter was completed I met another > woman, this time in England, who had been married to a man involved in > Satanic ritual and the Brotherhood networks. He was head keeper of an > area of land called Burnham Beeches near! the > Buckinghamshire-Berkshire border a few miles from Slough, west of: > London. This is an ancient site mentioned in the Domesday Book at the > time of William the Conqueror in the Ilth century and it has a > reputation for Satanism. The lady who spoke to me was taki ng her dog > for a walk across the land at dusk in the early 1970s when she saw a > figure in a long red robe. When he lifted his head, she saw that his > face was that of a lizard. She obviously thought she was crazy, but > this was no illusion, she said The 'lizard' was very real and very > physical, not an apparition. She is very psychic and she later began > to see people either transform into lizards before her eyes or be > overshadowed by them in exactly th e way described by the American > psychic. If you look in the picture section you will see an artist's > impression of what she sees with her psychic sight and many others > have described exactly the same experiences. On July 20th 1988, a > number of people in Bishopsville, South Carolina said they were > terrorised by a "seven foot tall lizardman that had no hair, eyebrows > or lips, three fingers on each hand and large slanted eyes that glowed > red in colour". There were five sightings of this "lizard-man" and the > story was reported in the Los Ang eles Times and the Herald > Examiner." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Does your free web site address contain more letters than the alphabet? > Register a domain name with DomainDirect. A domain with NO hosting fees. > Visit http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/49 for full details. > > eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/konformist > http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. 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