-Caveat Lector- illuminatist mind control, satanism, nwo - Part IV Con'd from Part III Wayne Morris: Do you feel that these entertainers had intelligence connections as well? Brice Taylor: That I have no way of knowing that. But I would say there were some types of intelligence - I don't know actually what the connection was - whether it was actually our intelligence communities or what. But I would often be escorted to a very famous person's home that was an entertainer, by two men in suits and a black sedan to deliver programming. So yes, I would say it was some sort of intelligence. Wayne Morris: How well distributed is your book, "Starshine", and how can people get a hold of it? Brice Taylor: Right now I can give you my PO Box that people can order it from, and that's to just write a cheque to Brice Taylor Trust, PO Box 655 Landrum, S. Carolina 29356 and I also have another book called "Revivication" which is a gentle alternative method of memory retrieval process for trauma survivors. Both books together including shipping are $25 U.S. Any bookstores carrying New Leaf Distributor books can be ordered in that manner. Wayne Morris: Do you consider yourself completely free from control by your perpetrators, and have they attempted to reaccess you? Brice Taylor: Yes I consider myself absolutely free, and I still receive harassment. Although since I have gotten my book out, it's more on a verbal level, or receiving things in the mail that are attempts to trigger my programming, or like messing with my mail, and things like that. Wayne Morris: I would like to go into a bit more detail about the kinds of things you were used by your handlers for? Brice Taylor: That's a big one. I was used by a member of the National Security Agency and someone that was oftentimes close to Presidents - I was programmed with what he called "Mind Files" and I had government Mind Files where I was programmed to have perfect photographic recall of documents that I was programmed to read and remember in my head. It was like having a computer brain; a human computer at your access. Along with that, I was also used with these Mind Files in order to be like a postal bank of communication between the elite members who were bringing out the New World Order in order to keep their world plan orchestrated and organized. I was also used as a sex slave to Presidents and foreign leaders and entertainers here and abroad, in order to deliver programmed messages from the elite in order to keep the plan smoothly running and operating. I was also used on lower levels in my community with money laundering, pornography, prostitution. It was endless. Wayne Morris: Do you have memories of the details of the information they were keeping in your Mind Files? Brice Taylor: Oh yes, years of it. I spent years documenting everything. It's very classified projects and plans for the New World Order. Wayne Morris: Can you tell us in terms of alerting the public about what kinds of things they are planning to bring about this New World Order, and what they envision that this would be? Brice Taylor: >From what I heard on the inside, in my experience sitting among these so-called elite people, the financial elite - their plan is for a world takeover because they feel that genetically and in every other way physicially, the populations of the earth are inferior - of an inferior genetic strain. What they are attempting to do is to bring down the population through various contrived means - which is a whole other subject all on its own - in order to bring these people to death so that the planet will be left pristine and untouched for their future progeny. Wayne Morris: It might be a bit too late for that ... Brice Taylor: Yeah. They feel that - and certainly I don't have the most up to date information - survivors who have come out since I did, have more current information of the plan. I am certain they have had to change it and alter it in order to bring it through - they feel that what is their ace in the hole this time, because they have tried this many, many other generations - it's almost like a game of wits of the most intellectual and financial power brokers being able to see what kind of game they can do here on the small minds of the planet - these people are unwitting victims. Even people who aren't under mind control are victims of all this and will be in the future. What I understood was that they were planning a complete and utter economic collapse of the nations that would make the Depression of 1929 look like child's play and through that, bringing people financially to their knees, they would then come in and control them, and bring in whatever other measures they would want to in the guise of rescue - when it certainly wouldn't be that at all. Personally I would like to put a call out to people who are in any way spiritually connected, knowing that this plan can never be able to be brought about as the people even at the higher levels that are participating, may be participating without knowing what they have been participating in, such as members of the intelligence community who have been compartmentalized in their knowledge of what projects they were participating in. I would certainly put scientists that are inventors in that category. I would put people that are in the Masonic Order that are perhaps at the lower levels and are serving the King at the higher levels without realizing that what they are putting their energy into thinking that they are helping children and people that are in need of help - what they are doing actually is serving the highest levels of evil and corruption and destruction of men, women and children. People need to realize that these people they are serving are turning against their own and that we need to take back our own spiritual power and stay connected spiritually in order to know what to do and how to act, and how to see the truth, and how to discern what lies and propaganda and strategies have been given over the television, over movies with intentional strategies. I sat with the men who strategized about what thoughts and belief systems they were trying to get people to believe so that they could continue with the plans. Mind control was their ace in the hole this time, because they felt that there couldn't be any mess-ups, and no human frailty or weakness of mind or conscience if people were under mind control. So I would just ask people to please open their eyes, and to begin to not just take what they see that is given out by the government and the intelligence community as truth and reality, but to begin to question and think on their own. Wayne Morris: Specifically how do you think mind control would be used in terms of a takeover implementation? Brice Taylor: I think there are people they have in positions of power, not only in the military but in political and religious circles who are themselves under mind control and can be used as puppets to do whatever they are instructed to do from higher up levels. People think that we elect our presidents and I have sat with the people who planned who the presidents were going to be and groomed them, and told them what to do, and what to say, and how to say it, and when to say it, and when not to. And I delivered all kinds of messages of instructions to presidents and world leaders about what to do and what not to do. I watched as people who were good people and weren't involved were manipulated, brainwashed and controlled by persons like myself who were programmed, dressed in jewels and beautiful clothes, with all the fancy and sophisticated sexual innuendoes and techniques that I myself, my daughter, others were programmed to do and go in and just -- if these men were at all able to be coerced they were manipulated and then they were blackmailed. These people who are in positions of power know how to find out and research what people's weaknesses are, whether they are sex, drugs, sexual perversion, financial gain -- they lure them in and once people have been forced and coerced to participate and do the dirty deed - and a lot of times it was filmed, videotaped and documented - and these people who were already in positions of financial, political, whatever power, were then told 'this will be public knowledge and information if you don't go along with us'. I watched people being coerced at the highest levels at parties of the elite, where cocaine was flowing, drugs, alcohol, whatever anyone wanted - sex with children, whatever - anything they wanted - people were given. It was perversion at the highest level. Wayne Morris: When you speak of the global elite, I just finished airing interviews with Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler and they speak of this global elite as being what is known as the Illuminati. Is that your understanding? Brice Taylor: Actually I couldn't name it. It was never called that inside, but I will go so far as to say it is some of the old money families ... the reason I don't name names is there are too many of them, number one ... the names aren't going to help us sort out the problem, but the information is. And I was clearly told by a member of White House Intelligence for 29 years that I could tell what happened, but not to name the names. I want my children brought into safety and healing, and I believe that my children's level of healing isn't going to much different than what is going to be needed for some of these people who have been involved at the highest level. Wayne Morris: Let me go back to the point about the economy. How specifically do you think they will manipulate the economy to bring it down? Brice Taylor: I think we have all lived in an inflated society, not just the government, but we have all been trained to use credit cards, buy on credit, and really we own virtually nothing anymore. If you do a crash on the financial things people have invested in - it's all just a mind game anyway - none of it's real. It cripples the economy. The specific means of how that is to be done I would say probably has fingers and feelers into the IRS, all the world banking systems that are in place, have been for years. If you follow the money, you will find a lot of the answers. Wayne Morris: Do you believe there will be, for example, a stock market crash? Brice Taylor: I don't like to predict these kinds of things but I would say that is a strategy that in the past I have heard and know has been used in the past. I would feel like I would be disrespectful to people to say that I know that to be sure, but I have certainly heard it. But I have been out for a number of years and things change and strategies change. They alter them as they perhaps are uncovered or being a problem to the plan. Wayne Morris: What do you feel that the public can do to thwart their intentions? Brice Taylor: I think people need to contact their local politicians and demand information be divulged about the government experiments, the medical, radiation, drug experiments, mind control experiments - all of that. I think as people start learning about the internal structure of the Masonic Order and how the programming is working and how people's brain waves can be altered and messed with, even at a distance ... I think people need to get very instructed and educated about what has gone on. I think people need to begin to simplify their lives ... financially and in all ways in order to be able to take the time to evolve spiritually and see what's really going on and connect deeply. Unfortunately I think people are going to have the opportunity to make a spiritual stand as people were during the times of Nazi Germany where they housed babies and people who were going to be killed due to a sick genetic belief system. I believe that as people are able to really take a stand and understand and help that it will turn things around, but I think a lot has been put into place and it's going to take some time to undo it ... obviously with all the people who are under mind control who need to be healed. Wayne Morris: >From the global elite perspective, what do they consider threats to their plan? Brice Taylor: I think the exposure of the plan would be a threat to their plan ... people being in charge of themselves and understanding that there are projects such as the HAARP project that are altering the frequency of the planet and the minds of the people that are here and demanding that that project be stopped ... stopping the military from being able to hide research and instrumentation and experimentation of weaponry that is oftentimes unable to be seen ... it is invisible but it is damaging to the public and to the world. Demand to know what their tax dollars are being used for ... which, from my perspective, people are paying taxes in order that all this research be done on mind control, on everything else ... and they are paying for their own demise, paying for their own destruction. They are fuelling the government agencies and the military who have been given such a high priority on this earth for destruction instead of funding education and teaching children how to think and critically analyze, and empowering people. It's all built on a military mind, and bent on destruction, and control, and power. Wayne Morris: When you had access to this information, what was their time frame for bringing this about or did this come up? Brice Taylor: Within the next couple of years ... the plan was intended to be culminated by the year 2000. Wayne Morris: Is there a particular significance to the years 1998 and 1999 in terms of their own occult belief system? Brice Taylor: It's a perversion of Christianity, it's a perversion of Christ. Everything that I ever saw was a perversion of everything that is good ... Wayne Morris: I have heard a number of survivors talk about "end-time programming", do you have any knowledge of that and what it entails? Brice Taylor: I had that too ... I never actually got to what my job was, but I knew that there was a job I was programmed to have and do during those end times. I think that people were programmed and are still programmed to create endless chaos. With the general population being so ignorant about the mind control technology, about how targeted energy can affect brain waves, about all of the higher level technology ... that they are blinded to all of this ... and that's dangerous. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that therapists and other professionals have made any headway to disable this kind of programming? Brice Taylor: I think the therapists who have been working diligently in this for years, and I highly honour them. I am very grateful, and I think they have done it a lot, and they have done it against all odds, and at a great sacrifice professionally and in every way. I think that certainly bringing the programming to light and to conscious awareness dismantles much of it, and I think that EEG biofeedback technology is something therapists can use so instead of taking 10-15 years to reintgrate someone with DID, that it can be done within a year or two without so much disruption to the person's functional life. Wayne Morris: How long do you think it has taken them to actually program these people to the level they can be used to participate in the plans? Brice Taylor: Usually it's the intergenerational abuse, so children that are going to be used on official levels are programmed first and it takes years. I understand that starting in the seventies, children that weren't from intergenerational families began to be programmed in daycare centres which is where you have the McMartin preschool case and all of these cases where the children told what happened, and were either initially believed and the people from the inside came out and said this never happened and had the cases turned around and make the children look not credible. That's another question I always ask people. As a child when I told, how would I have known about all the sexual stuff unless I had seen it? Adults need to logically think about how a child would ever even conceive of this kind of horror, and yet not just one or two children are coming up with this, but hordes of children from all over the world. People have got to start looking at this logically. This is not just the stupid False Memory Syndrome Foundation -- this is something much bigger. Children have better things to be doing and don't have the ability to create this kind of organized horror ... Wayne Morris: You alluded to child prostitution and pornography. How closely is this connected to these global elites and the plans with the New World Order? Brice Taylor: >From my perspective and experience, I believe the child pornography and prostitution was done for their pleasure and entertainment. My daughter and my son were prostituted, taken to parties where the elite or anybody who wanted to have sex with them was able to go in and have sex with children. I think it is used as an incredible fund-raising ability to bring in large amounts of money underground with child pornography in international markets where it is highly sought after and brings in a lot of money for their operations. Wayne Morris: In your opinion, how widespread do you think trafficking in children is going on today? Brice Taylor: I think that it's enough that if normal people knew how widespread it was, it would bring them to their knees. It's like Ted Gunderson says, as an ex member of the FBI, in California they knew exactly where all the stolen cars were but no one had any idea about any statistics or any idea about where all the missing children went ... Wayne Morris: In your opinion can you estimate how many you think have been programmed, how many are mind control victims? Brice Taylor: I never heard or saw a number on the inside. I know there are a lot of people healing, and I get letters from survivors all over the world. A statistic I did hear from a member of the intelligence community one time was for the Presidential model project where women were programmed to sexually service presidents and the elite was 3000 in this country. That would mean there were 3000 women, and then as in my case, my daughter would follow in my footsteps. It's like a pyramid game. As the generations go on, the numbers of people gets larger as the families continue to propagate. Wayne Morris: Can you speak to what kind of similarities you see in survivors' accounts, and what geographical areas they are from? Brice Taylor: Actually, physically they are from all over the world, so I haven't really seen 'everybody is from California' or 'everybody is from Nevada'. It's not like that. But people do name a lot of the same military bases and I will just say for myself and my daughter were programmed heavily at Point ______ Naval Base where they had dolphin tanks in research, and there were places at Edwards Air Force Base and all sorts of different locations. But I think our commonalities are that we are all naming either major medical hospitals where arms of different medical research projects were done, or military bases, or NASA stations ... it's an organized pictures. It's not just some little satanic cult operating here and there. It's all very organized. Wayne Morris: Have the people you have spoken to had similar experiences in terms of starting from an early age, and being exposed to these satanic rituals, abuses and what percentage of people are involved in the government mind control that you have spoken about? Brice Taylor: Actually most of the survivors I have met have been used more at local levels, not within the government, but used more at a lower level. However there have been ten or twelve other Presidential models that I have met. I have met women who come up to me and are afraid to give me much of their story, but will say so-and-so was also my abuser, or they remember the same man. A lot of my validation has come from not naming the names and for many of these women who are so frightened and have never read my book and they find me out in the hall, and corner me, and name the names and oftentimes they are some of the high level perpetrators that were also my abusers. I quietly validate them and they go off and heal knowing they are not crazy. Wayne Morris: I want to also to talk about the criminal connection to other organized crime, and particularly trafficking in children, and I wondered if you could shed any information about what you have been exposed to. Brice Taylor: As far as the criminal connection, my memories and my experiences as a child were heavily Mob involved as well as CIA and government, different medical universities and military bases that were used. As far as that criminal activity, how it all weaves in, I believe is just as ___ that are used in order to benefit from the child trafficking and is able to use these children and certainly the pornography and prostitution, and to bring in other children -- there's a place in my book where I talk aobut how I was used under mind control to enlist other children into an automobile in California. These were children, as far as I was aware as a child, that probably did not have the background or programming, or had not even been abused, that were kidnapped off the street and enticed with the use of another child to bring them in. And then once they were in the car they were trapped and I watched as they were used in pornography and were used in snuff films in which they were actually killed during the filming, and then were disposed of in whatever manner. Certainly this type of what some of these sick and sadistic people think of as entertainment that feeds their own perversions and their own sick senses, is what has really brought in a large financial base. This has been exposed by other women who have talked about the funds being used for black operations, CIA government mind control, different medical experiments that were being done. This is where a lot of the funding for these activities comes from. Wayne Morris: These tie in with the criminal activities such as (as you mentioned) child pornography, prostitution, drug trafficking. How widespread, in your opinion, is trafficking in children? Brice Taylor: I think it is very widespread, and I can think that the public has been seriously fooled by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and a lot of the media that has gone on saying that all these cases that have come up with the preschools and the different agencies around the country where children are coming forward and telling what happened to them -- that does include pornography. Statements are being made in sexual ways and certainly about abuse in the child's mind, and they are being discredited. And I believe the children are telling the truth. They are saying the same things that happened to me and lot of other women across the country. And we are certainly being discredited by the media. From what I understand and from the first persona accounts I hear, the people who are my age and go back even older and younger are talking about the amount of children in preschools that have been programmed, that may have not been in a generational ritual abuse ties, but who have been programmed and used in the pornography and prostitution in order to create great avenues of funding. I think that combined with kids who are found missing of the street and kidnapped in an attempt to use them as a means of funding - all of this horror continues to go unchecked by the public population that finds all of this so incredulous - that they don't even believe it. So here we have survivors and children who are also revictimized by a disbelieving public and oftentimes uninformed mental health and church system who are unable to believe that this kind of atrocity has gone on, so they are unable to come to these children's aid or to the adult survivors who are attempting to find avenues of relief and help in order to stop this and help themselves. Wayne Morris: It really seems that their biggest coverup for all of these atrocities is the public's disbelief. Brice Taylor: Walter Bowart who wrote "Operation Mind Control" has a blurb in his book that says the big secrets are protected by their incredulity. And certainly I believe that those who strategized this plan were very well aware that when all of us started talking about these things that just like in Nazi Germany - people still today believe that a lot of those horrors didn't happen - that people will turn away and deny what really happened because it is so horrific and incredulous. Wayne Morris: Speaking of Nazi Germany, there have been a number of allegations that there has been Nazi involvement, particularly in regard to Project Paperclip, of importing Nazis after WWII into the United States. Have you come across any Nazi connections in your experience? Brice Taylor: Yes I have, and just to enlarge and expand a little bit on Project Paperclip, Linda Hunt wrote a book about this in which she explained that Mark Phillips who was an intelligence officer and he personally told me that he was part of bringing in some of these Nazi doctors - bringing them into our country and giving them immunity - that he was unaware at the time of the full ramifications of what these people were doing within our country. Right there is the Nazi connection of how these men who were a lot of the scientists and doctors who had used the population of prisoners in the concentration camps as their unwitting and unwilling and suffering people as their population of research and how then they were brought to our country and put into the major universities and research centers in order to further their research mind control and were given over to the population of ritual abuse survivors in order to have now another group to experiment on of which certainly myself and my children were a part of that - but also included genetic experiments that were done to me and to my children. As far as the Nazi connections that I am aware of in my past, I am aware of my mother telling me my father went to some neo nazi meeting along with my grandmother when I was just a little girl. I know that in a lot of my recovery work the symbol that I kept drawing over and over was the swastika, the Nazi symbol. I saw that symbol as a child at some of the satanic ritual ceremonies that were done to me and others and certainly I believe that is a very large part of all of this. As society continues to want to even put Nazi Germany and the horrors of those people that suffered in the concetration camps under the rug and not look at it - it continues to proliferate here - even within our country - as these people are still getting away with doing the human experimentation and torturing people today. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that the experiments that were done in the Nazi concentration camps during the holocaust were for the purposes of developing mind control? Brice Taylor: Definitely. In fact last year I went to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. and saw their pictures of the actual brain experimentation and a lot of the research that was done, and it's all there for people that have the eyes to see - that this absolutely was experimentation - there are pictures of people being experimented on. Wayne Morris: Do you have, in your experience - did you come across Josef Mengele in the United States? A number of survivors of mind control have named him as being involved in their abuse in the U.S. post WWII era - was that part of your experience? Brice Taylor: No actually, it wasn't but there were doctors at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute who very instrumental in my programming and where I reported to oftentimes by myself as a result of responding to my programmed instructions to report there and where my programming was checked in on, and made into whatever the needs were at the time. There were doctors all over the country that I reported to in various military installations and certainly UCLA. Wayne Morris: A number of people I have interviewed have talked about the occult ideology of these groups that are responsible for perpetrating mind control. What do you think the significance of that is? Brice Taylor: I think that historically now - I have been able now to read back and to understand that the occult plans for this New World Order go back generations and were built on very heavily with what seemingly looks like religious ideology. I believe that the occult belief system and the evilness of that and the destructiveness, and certainly interlaced with superstitious belief is what continues to allow these things to proliferate as people's belief systems. They belief these perversions give them the power to take it forward into these times. I think that it's like for the satanists to believe that these satanic rituals and all of the perversions that are done during these rituals allow them in their belief system to believe they are gaining power by doing all these horrors and stealing energy from children and babies, in all of the different ways they are killing. It allows them to continue on. Until these belief systems are cleaned up and until people (the good people on the planet) are able to weave through their own denial that this level of atrocity could still be going on today, I think that's where the problem lies. It's until the people who are perpetrating this occultic belief meet up with the denial of people, even Christians, who can't believe this and say they are frightened by it, and don't want to deal with it - it's my experience in watching that if people do nothing that the children continue to be tortured and abused. Wayne Morris: Do you think this ties in in a general sense with these groups that have been using mind control in their motivation towards more and more power and wealth? I could ask, "Don't these old money power groups have enough money already?" What is motivating them to perpetuate these atrocities? Brice Taylor: What I saw from the inside sitting in a group of these men who were strategizing - it's almost like some of these people are so unbalanced intellectually - certainly fuelled by whatever horrific abusive, unloving, uncaring systems they may have come from - that they view and believe very strongly in the intellect and not feelings or any kind of caring or love or anything like that. They more or less look at this as a game of their intellect - like a group of powerful men sitting in a room thinking up strategies of how they might be able to control the world and what benefits they might be able to have. From what I saw, it seemed like it was a big game to them and in fact they used with me - and part of my programming was a chess game where they used different pieces of that chess game to represent different world leaders and this was how the game was played, and it was all used in a very symbolic way. I believe these people are very intelligent and are able to strategize and come up with a plan but it's almost as if the stakes have to get raised higher, just like in a poker game, of who could control who and how successful they would be in seeing how they could control the minds of the entire planet. Wayne Morris: I want to ask you if you are aware of any direct government ties to some of the satanic cults that seem to have proliferated across North America and a lot of survivors have come forward with their accounts of these cults. I suppose there are a lot of different levels there in terms of their involvement with the overall government mind control picture. I want to ask if you knew of any direct government ties to some of these cults. Brice Taylor: The government ties to the cults are the politicians that I believe have realized and are very aware that people in the cults, especially in the satanic cults where they are born and have multiple personality systems from the abuse in the family, are certainly prime candidates because of their dissociative abilities and inability to stay present in a unified, whole way with their minds to even know what's going on. I believe that through the politicians and through the military - the bases were used with a lot of the equipment for the mind control and certainly used as a way to cover up these experiments by saying they were military projects. There is a base in California, Point Magoo Naval Base on the coast there, it was real close to my house where myself and my children reported. That base was until recently armed with a man with a gun in the tower. You want to ask people what - in my recovery I wanted to ask people, "why would you think that a military base here in California on the coast would need to have men with submachine guns standing up in the guard tower?" I believe that the military was used as a branch of the government in order to house these projects in a way they could be kept secret from the public and yet here the public is paying taxes and actually funding these research projects in ways that they have no idea where their money is going. People are only beginning to demand to know about these secret projects through the Freedom of Information Act. I think the government ties are very strong. There are certain individuals within the government who have certainly been a part of this New World Order plan. >From what I saw with the presidents all being involved with their Masonic connections, and certainly some of them with higher Masonic connections than others. The mind control technology is hidden at the level of the 33 degree Masons. I believe this branches out to a lot of top hierarchy of a lot of organizations and not just the government - but also into the major corporations of the world where a lot of the corporate heads have been manipulated into this system. Where there is talent, money, power and control the secrecy has worked its way in. Wayne Morris: Do you have any inside information about their control over the media and connections there, in how they manipulate the media? Brice Taylor: Absolutely. I was amongst them when they were planning in the late 60's and 70's when they were planning strategies of how the information would go into the newspapers and I listened as they talked about some of the major families who owned some of the newspapers, and how through owning a lot of the major media, which I believe now is pretty complete if people were able to look back and trace the histories of a lot of the media, they would be able to see that this is all pretty much locked up and these things are censored when any of these subjects begin to work their way into the media. I know one intelligence officer told me there was a Russian intelligence officer who was being interviewed on television and they asked him a question and he said "the Americans have won the war of the mind" and they whisked him off the air and he never even showed back up - that was it - it never went any farther. I believe the media is in a large coverup right now and people are listening, and hearing a lot of stories that have been strategized in an attempt to have them believe what these people want them to believe instead of actually getting the truth of what has gone on. Wayne Morris: The media is currently creating a lot of furor over this latest Clinton scandal. I wondered if you could comment on that and if there is any indications that any of these women who are coming forward have been used like you have been? Brice Taylor: As a Presidential model, and speaking on behalf of other Presidential models and women I have spoken to within the last week or so - we all feel quite a victory that his reputation is being challenged - and that the truth is being brought forth. I would like to commend Paula Jones and even stand with her as knowing this is a reality, and this man needs to be stopped in his sexual perversions. I would say that personally for me, I was devastated when he was re-elected and I should and do try to remind myself all the time that the Presidents aren't really elected but I think it is going to take the Americans of the world to take back this country, and to really research and find out what is going on and to stop it and to realize that our leaders, even if they are not in control with themselves, may have an agenda here that is not for the good of the whole. Wayne Morris: Do you think the scandal may have possibly been engineered against Clinton by another power group - with not good intentions either? Brice Taylor: I have no way of knowing that. I think this man has perpetrated more horror to women on this planet, as well as a lot of the violence that has gone on - that continuous attempts for it to be leaked out to alternative media sources and the American public still is so - I don't know if they are so busy trying to earn a living for their families that they don't have time to research what their leaders are doing. It seems like up until now people have been pretty shortsighted. There are and have to be good people within the White House and within the intelligence community who may not know what is going on, and don't understand the mind control or the levels of how it has been used to manipulate and certainly may be behind some of these scandals, or allowing them to leak at least some of the truth to the press. I think it's a wonderful thing that at least our President is being called into check about some of the allegations that are made repeatedly against him as far as his sexuality and adultery, and all the perversions that follow it. Wayne Morris: In your experience, is Clinton any different than any other presidents in that regard? Brice Taylor: No. Wayne Morris: What do you feel is necessary to bring all of this into more public limelight to expose these atrocities? Brice Taylor: I think it is going to take a lot of education for people, and I think it is going to take the public waking up and coming out of denial about the level of evil that people are able to perpetrate on other people. I think people are going to need to take the survivor accounts into a belief arena in order to stop what has gone on because everybody is going to be a victim of this. Certainly the victims of mind control have suffered immensely through years of torture and trauma, but society also is a victim of this because until people are reintegrated and deprogrammed they are a threat to peace in society. As people well know, the programming that was done was not as effective and able to control people as they thought and as people break down their programming. It's a problem for society as people become violent. We find children who are killing their parents; we find that behind that is satanic abuse but it's not allowed into the court system and the reality of this has been covered up in so many different ways that the public isn't getting the truth of what is really happening? Wayne Morris: What plans do you and other survivors have of bringing this into more of a public view? Brice Taylor: Well certainly Wayne, I speak out whenever I have a chance whether it be radio, tv, workshops, conferences - I speak out all over the nation and that is certainly one avenue of giving out information. Writing books, and I encourage other survivors to write what happened to them and get it out. I think that another Presidential Commission needs to be brought where a greater number of women are able to come forward with their stories to stand with Valerie Wolf and her survivor clients who were so courageous and stepped forward and opened the door on the mind control experiments. I think it is going to take a grassroots movement of women who have been through this to expose it and stop it. I think that will be a very powerful avenue. Wayne Morris: Brice, I would like to thank you very much for joining us in this radio series. I know it took a lot of courage to come forward as you have, and I wish you all the strength in your ongoing struggle to bring this to light. 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