-Caveat Lector- So, the question was, "who are some of the Littleton Massacre victim's families suing for $250 Mil?" ANSWER: Some of the families are suing the TWO alleged gunmen's parents for $250 Mil. (Pt 2 of 2 continued) from: http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/new.txt LOOSE THREADS At Newshawk we have become aware of an apparent discrepancy in statements made by the Brown family concerning the whereabouts of Brook's older brother during the shooting. It had previously been reported that Brooks's older brother was inside the building and this fact was KNOWN by Brooks when he claims he was warned away from the school by Harris. Brooks stated this as an indication that he would never have been involved in any way with the massacre. It was further stated that Brookss brother was ON THE STAIRWAY and was fired at directly by Harris but not hit. What's interesting however is that in their appearance on Oprah Winfrey's show on 5/20/99, it was said that the older Brown boy was in the cafeteria when the shooting broke out and he never saw either Harris or Klebold directly! Why would there be two completely different versions of this point? Lets keep in mind here that lead FBI Columbine investigator Fuseliers son WAS DIRECTLY TIED Columbine Trenchcoat activities -- including the making of the prophetic, simulated mass murder video made in 1997 along with Brooks Brown, and other associates of Dylan Klebold (Harris's involvement in this particular project seems unlikely). The fact that police and SWAT teams remained outside 4 hours exchanging gunfire with (only 2?) assailants is proof there were in fact a lot more than 2 shooters; that SWAT teams had been informed that there were more than two shooters and had been ordered to stay back and hold off from any full-on intrusion for a period of time (almost 4 hours). It seems increasingly likely that FBI/BATF agents AND other trenchcoat-affiliated students involved with the mayhem inside the school needed sufficient time to clean up their act, remove traces of their presence and get out of there. And why did early reports claim 25 dead? Where did that number come from? Were there truly other dead, perhaps some of the other shooters who were not supposed to be in any official versions of the incident, whose bodies were removed? Or perhaps there were supposed to be more dead in some original planning for the massacre, which it now seems likely not only Columbine trenchcoaters but also the FBI and probably the BATF, the CIA, other military agencies tied to Flight Safety where Wayne Harris worked, etc., were completely involved with from the very beginning. The presence of huge numbers of military contingents at the memorial service is undeniable AND very bizarre. There is so much wrong with this whole business that it is truly extraordinarily strange, weird, and VERY SCARY--especially for a parent or any person living in AmeriKa. MORE DETAILS OF TALKS WITH THE WISHERS My initial conversation with Chris Wisher, which lasted nearly 40 minutes, came about inadvertently after I called Mr. Wisher Sr. back and got Chris instead. I told Chris that I was making the content of my conversations public. In fact and despite this; despite another brief conversation with Chris, a couple of fairly brief conversations with Chris's father and a roughly 15 minute conversation with Mrs. Wisher on 5/19/99, they all made the point clear to me, WHILE discussing aspects of the Columbine case with me, that for the most part they were NOT interested in talking to reporters and such. In fact I told Mrs. Wisher on 5/19/99 I would post notices on the websites where my article was published requesting people NOT contact them at all and she heartily thanked me for that. My initial conversation with Chris was extremely detailed. For whatever reason he definitely opened up to me and he told me that he felt comfortable doing so, while at the same time letting me know that he had not done so with any other reporters and that his family basically was not interested in either he or them doing much talking to the press. So how to explain the fact that Chris talked to me for a total of nearly an hour (both conversations,) his father for about 10 minutes (both conversations) and Karen Wisher for about 15 minutes? Likely because they are well aware of the discrepancies, oddities, inconsistencies and OBVIOUS BULLSHIT going on with the investigation and undoubtedly feel a need to express this to SOMEONE! Apparently I came across as nonthreatening or innocuous enough to be that someone. Mrs. Wisher remains hopeful the truth will come out due to the great number of witnesses who saw other shooters. Sadly I myself am not so sure, and as indicated by the quote below, neither are other Littleton residents. My conversation with Mrs. Wisher was not overly pleasant at first. She was aware that I had published my interview with Chris and she was upset MAINLY that many people had since called their house, for which I sincerely apologized. She felt that it was not in Chris's best interest to talk to anyone further. However I persisted in talking with her and drawing out her statements and views regarding statements Chris had made to me. I have reported on her responses in a published update report; and she fundamentally backed up the validity of what Chris told me AND told me that so many Columbine students know of other assailants being involved that she sees no way the truth about this could be covered up. Yet efforts to do just that, and very serious efforts, are well under way. In my conversation with Mrs. Wisher I brought up the fact that Chris said he knew personally a girl who was coerced into changing her testimony by Sheriffs investigators, and made to say that she had only seen Harris and Klebold. Mrs. Wisher replied: Oh, I know the girl. She was over here right after... (the questioning). She told us all about it, but you know, this was right after the massacre.... Mrs. Wisher then said she felt that as this incident was in the early days of the investigation, law enforcement didn't have all the facts and were therefore trying to keep things coherent and focused. However, Chris had told me in our first conversation: I know a lot of other kids who've had the same thing (coercion/pressuring) happen to them. I personally think that is a ridiculous and completely erroneous assumption on Mrs. Wisher's part. I would have to say that overall she indicated some pretty severe internal conflicts with the entire situation--and NO WONDER! History is apparently being rewritten before her's, her son's and everyone's eyes. In fact sheriffs had a LIST OF THREE SUSPECTS FROM THE GIT-GO and there is PROOF POSITIVE OF THIS FACT. There is also proof that more than one person was ARRESTED--NOT questioned and released--after the mayhem and murder subsided. Investigators have ALWAYS known there were other perpetrators and have apparently (by Mrs. Wisher's OWN statement!) ALWAYS been trying to obscure the truth and pervert justice--at the very least. Interesting as well that Chris, like so many other witnesses from Columbine, is now under some intensive counseling: with perhaps the administration of mind-altering psychiatric sessions from counselors and perhaps the administration of mind altering psychiatric drugs as well! To help Chris understand that what he saw was not what he saw, of course. Exactly as I predicted in my report The Rocky Mountain Horror Show. As I've said repeatedly, the reasons for such a coverup in such a situation and context can logically only be very few. The only thing which could POSSIBLY necessitate implementing a coverup in such an outrageously difficult context would HAVE TO BE the involvement of very high level, undoubtedly clandestine agencies of the (covert) government in the planning and/or execution of the monstrosity at Columbine High on 4/20/99. However, back to Chris Wisher. He is the witness to some of the mayhem at Columbine, not his mother. She and her husband are obviously very interested in protecting their son's mental health and well being, and said so repeatedly. I stated that my initial talk with Chris came about inadvertently; my very first call to the Wisher house reached Chriss father, who had already mentioned that he did not think Chris would be interested in talking with me. I called back to ask him one further question and I got Chris, who in fact was quite willing to converse about what he witnessed at Columbine. Though he indicated his parents were not in favor of him discussing the events with anyone, obviously he felt differently. Apparently Chris's parents do not want to make any waves about the course of the investigation into the Columbine massacre. At least in my FIRST talk with Chris, that was not the case with him. Chris made the statements I attributed to him, after I told him from the very first that I was a writer who was going to publish what I turned up. Which I did. When I called the Wisher household to inform them of the presence of my article on the Web I got Mr. Wisher Sr. I gave him the pertinent info on where to locate the article, and briefly discussed certain things with him. Mr. Wisher told me that he didn't believe the police had "closed the book" on the case and were unwilling to "tip their hand" regarding particular suspicions they may have of other participants, and also that he was aware his son and many other students believed more than the 2 assailants were definitely involved in the assault. I brought up the fact that Chris and others made the contention that witnesses were being coerced by law enforcement to make their testimony conform to the 2 gunmen fable and said I felt that could not be explained by what he (Mr. Wisher) had just postulated: he AGREED. My next conversation was with Chris again. I asked him if the fact that I had published the article was a problem for him and he said no; I also asked if it had been a problem for his parents and he indicated that was not the case either. I requestioned him on the information he relayed that a person he knew personally and OTHERS witnessed a group of 7-8 individuals in trenchcoats with weapons other than Harris and Klebold, in a different part of the school simultaneous to Harris and Klebold firing weapons elsewhere. He reverified that statement. I asked whether his friend knew if some or all of these were students. Chris said that at least some were students. I also reverified what he himself said he witnessed outside the school where he observed two other individuals obviously connected to the assault at the SAME time as he hard shots from inside the building. Chris then told me that he had heard recently that Harris HAD taken off his coat and therefore the person throwing explosives in white T-shirt could have been Harris, Chris felt. The other individual Chris witnessed outside in a trenchcoat with a shotgun Chris maintained was neither Harris or Klebold. I was on Seattle talk show host Mike Webb's radio show on 5/20/99. Mr. Webb in fact had contacted Chris Wisher directly and can verify through HIS talk with Chris not only that I have spoken with Chris Wisher but that Chris did in fact relay the information I have attributed to him. What's MOST interesting however is that Webb reported on the air that in HIS conversation with Chris, Chris stated how AFTER my interview with Chris was published, Chris was REQUESTIONED and PRESSURED by investigators, who then found it worthwhile for some reason to make a substantial effort to help Chris understand how it may have only been Harris and Klebold that he had seen at Columbine! Incredible, disheartening, so predictable and infuriating that these guys would seek to coerce the very person who had blown the whistle on their shenanigans! Unfortunately I was NOT aware at the time of my conversation with Mrs. Wisher that HER SON had just been recontacted by investigators and subjected to THE SAME TACTICS! I doubt if she was aware of this either. Why are the cops trying to get students to change what they're saying about what happened? She didn't have an answer to that, but I do. Because if you put together the fact that there undeniably WERE so many other people involved, plus things like how other perpetrators could GET AWAY; and get AWAY WITH IT?!, you can only come up with one logical conclusion. That the at least SOME of the other people involved were NOT even students, but people connected to the covert (of COURSE!) government. MORE INFO ON MAJOR CIA LINKS TO DENVER AND DENVER UNIVERSITY From: David Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yale history professor, Robin Winks, in his book, "Cloak and Gown, Scholars in the Secret War, 1939-1961," writes as follows. In the fall of 1942 R&A (Research and Analysis of the CIA precursor OSS) began to contract out research projects to specialized institutes, first at Stanford and the University of California at Berkeley, and soon after to the UNIVERSITY OF DENVER, Columbia, Princeton, and Yale. No one at the universities appears to have protested these ties, and university presidents and professors courted contractors and consultantships, at times going well beyond the supplying of analysis and information, as when Cal Tech manufactured rockets for the army. (p. 79) My friend wondered aloud how far beyond analysis and information the University of Denver might have gone. If the CIA is heavily into mind control and the University of Denver is, in effect, a CIA front institution (doesn't this minor university look completely out of place in the list above?), what's wrong with putting two and two together?... The University of Denver, curiously, also has very nearly the LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF FOREIGN STUDENTS of any college in the country. The CIA recruits heavily among foreign students in the U.S., as they do among Rhodes Scholars, and for the same reason. They regard them as future leaders in their respective countries. ... The two known Littleton, Colorado, shooters, in addition to being close friends, had broken into a car together and as court-ordered punishment, had been assigned to counseling. The news reported that they had been released early from the counseling obligation because they had been so cooperative. Sort of reminds one of the super-soldier, Timothy McVeigh, doesn't it? We all know how corrupt our court system is. I'd say that particular counseling program needs looking into. Denver, I understand, is the center for federal government operations of all kinds for the entire mountain and plains area. It was not by accident that it was picked as a good, safe place to conduct the Oklahoma City bombing trials of McVeigh and Nichols. At least one major news organ has begun to take the reports of more gunmen at Columbine High School seriously enough to try to shoot them down. On Friday, May 21, NBC Nightly News announced that surveillance video at the school showed that there were only two shooters (Reeeeally? [JQ])). THIS CAME AMID REPORTS FROM WITNESSES, said NBC, THAT OTHER SHOOTERS HAD BEEN SEEN! When our mainstream press, like our esteemed president, feels it necessary to pointedly deny something, you can be pretty confident that it is true. David Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATLANTA! The Drugs & Plattsburgh Combo Plate Information has come to me that the shooter in the Atlanta school shooting incident on 5/20/99 has ties to the area near Plattsburgh Air Force Base in N.Y. In addition the boy was under the influence of the psychiatric drug Ritalin, a drug in the meth family which has effects similar to cocaine--used on young children no less. It is now clear that increasing, often-mandated administration of these drugs is in pursuit of an agenda inextricably linked to many agendas of those NAZIs who have infested every nook and cranny of our federal government, almost all national governments, the secret world government, the UN, NATO, The World Bank, the World Health Organization, The International Monetary Fund, The Centers For Disease Control,... lets see, did I leave out the CFR, the Bilderburgers, The Trilateral Commission, The NSA, the CIA, the oil companies (Bush & Rocky), the Illuminati...? Ah well, so many names, so little time. Anyway, we get the picture. What must be pointed out here, is that this ever-increasing pathologizing of perfectly normal kids and the resultant counseling/psych-drug therapy combo theyre subjected to is a big money-maker for almost everyone involved. For the counselors; for the school district, which gets extra funding for every special education youngster on their rolls; money for the pharmacists, and ESPECIALLY for the pharmaceutical companies themselves. What's MOST outrageous is that parents who balk at turning their children into guinea pigs for mood-altering drugs and whatever else therapists decree can find their children snatched from them by Orwellian social workers of the BRAVE NEW WORLD ORDER. It's happening with increasing frequency all over the country! In fact the multinational pharmaceutical corporations who profit most heavily from all this, in particular Ciba/Geigy, trace their lineage directly back to the grand-daddy of proto-fascist multinational, monopolistic juggernaut corporations; I.G. Farben. You know, the boys with the presence of mind to see the potential for major profit in Hitler and Companys race-based mass enslavement/murder operation; the ones who worked a deal with NAZI big boys to turn concentration camps into factories, where you literally worked till you dropped. For good that is. It does NOT take a brain surgeon to realize that neither the Nazi vermin nor their business partners who ran I.G. Farben vanished into thin air after WW2; nor did their most cherished agendas. Hordes of these banes upon humanity, AND their corporate compadres in butchery, genocide, slavery and thuggery AND their agendas came HERE -- to the land of free cable TV. Putting a huge percentage of Americas youth on mind and soul destroying psychiatric drugs CERTAINLY fits into such agendas quite well indeed. The shooting in Atlanta was a weak, rushed programming job. The programming literally came apart. And, the perpetrator didn't commit suicide. Though the Georgia shooter did put the gun to his mouth subsequent to the shooting, he was talked out of committing suicide by an assistant principal named Cecil Brinkley. which is the reason that within only 2 days the story literally vanished from sight. Somebody sure doesn't want anybody asking THAT guy too much. By the way, he reportedly had absolutely no memory of why he did what he did or even that he actually did it. Total or near-total memory blackout. As well, this unfortunate boy had definite and distinct ties to the PLATTSBURGH AREA, near the AFB; which conducts many highly classified covert research (mind control and other types) operations. His family has spent much vacation time in the vicinity! And while were at it, there sure are skimpy online information resources for Plattsburgh--as in, pretty much none. I mean the whole town is sort of not there. Information from various, unrelated sources indicates Plattsburgh AFB, though now supposedly closed, was and still is a serious hotbed of black project research, covert operations and HIGHLY classified, ultra-advanced scientific research. We have proof positive of POWERFUL EM/RF technologies being operating underground there; both from EM/RF readings taken on the surface at the base, and from Doppler radar images which have shown a blatant, circular EM/RF formation right over Plattsburgh for months and months on end--still continuing as of right now! This radar signature is present regardless of what type of weather system is affecting the area. I have received further corroboration regarding the existence of HIGHLY ADVANCED mind control and other exotic research projects being CURRENTLY operated at this SUPPOSEDLY closed Air Force Base at Plattsburgh. Reports say Plattsburgh AFB is one of the primary locations for the current versions of both the PHOENIX PROJECT--(Montauk/ mass mind-reality control) and the MONARCH PROJECT--(Montauk Boys/Girls: highly controlled sleeper agents procured/ programmed from childhood; available for activation through a variety of trigger mechanisms to perform numerous and (generally) horrific tasks for their controllers in covert government intelligence/military agencies). Somebody needs to head out to Littleton and see what's up in the twilight zone. And after that, somebody needs to tromp on up to Plattsburgh too. 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