Re: [CTRL] [grassrootsreform] Re: eliminate the electoral college

[Inhabitant of the Conquered Land]

 -Caveat Lector-

The States were represented at the Convention in Philadelphia.  The people
within the States had no representation within the convention.  It was a
Convention of States.  The participants were all property owners within the
States nominated not by the people, but by the State Legislatures to represent
the needs of the thirteen independent States.  Rhode Island chose not to
participate.  In fact, the State of Rhode Island refused the document till the
twelve States, not the people, therein were going to exclude the State of Rhode
Island from the benefits offered under the Constitution.   Only then did the
State, not the people, of Rhode Island agree to accept membership as a State,
not the people, to the Union under the Constitution.

The People only control the State, where in they are the Sovereigns.  The
States control the United States, which was and is their agency.  The preamble
to the Constitution was to  list we the States of ...... The editorial
committee changed the preamble to read the “We the people” of the United
States.  The “people” of the United States, were and are the States.

The people’s say was the demand to limit this Agency of the States.  These
limitations are the first ten amendments ratified in 1791.

Read the Journals, and the Laws of your Estate, and later the State from 1770
till 1776.  You will then find out just what the State was, and how the State
was incorporated.

The people who voted within this State, were property owners.  In this State,
the State of Maryland, you had to own 50 acres of real property, or have a
value exceeding 100 pounds  in tangible personal property to “participate”
within this State, the State of Maryland as an elector.

The Virginia Company had two ruling committees.  One sat in Virginia, the
Second sat in London.

These two competing committees fought over control of the charter.  The
American committee put George Washington in the Field of Battle, who personally
invested over 800 thousand pound sterling of his personal funds to finance the
Rebellion against the London committee and the King’s ministers.

The Constitution of the United States for the United States of America, is a
contract between sovereign Independent  States.  The People of America have
been deceived.

Yes you are correct, not knowing the facts of history has allowed the United
States, and it’s creator, this State, to deliberately mis inform the people of
America.

You have your self, made one fatal error.... You should validate just who was
allowed to participate in the Corporate Body Politic in 1787.  Property Owners.
  These property owners owned substantial amounts of real, and/or tangible
personal property.

The People’s voice within the Untied States was also decided by the States.
The State legislature was empowered to determine the Districts from which the
representatives to the House of Representatives were chosen.

The Constitution empowered the States.   The War Between the States, in 1861 to
1877, was in reality a War by the United States upon the Sovereign and
Independent States of America party to the Union under the Constitution of the
United States for the United States of America.


                The cost of liberty is eternal vigilance

"In a age of universal deceit, telling
the truth is a revolutionary act."

                George Orwell

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> From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] [grassrootsreform] Re: eliminate the electoral college
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:00 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Inhabitant of the Conquered Land wrote:
>
>  Meeting in secret, behind locked guarded doors, the representatives of
> the States, not the of the people, created an addendum to empower the
> States, through their Agency the United States.  This Constitution was
> adopted by the States for the States.
>
>    I disagree with the above. Special electors where chosen by
> ballot to vote on ratification. This made them the peoples
> representative not the state legislatures. The people remained
> the ultimate sovereigns here. We have through ignorance surrendered
> too much power to government at all levels but the avenue to
> reclaim it still lies open due to the nature of the way the
> Constitution for the united States was ratified. IMO
>
>    Jim
>
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