-Caveat Lector-
Please give me a simple "yes" or "no" to this question: Do you support the
enactment of "The Debt Free and Tax Free Amendment" (see below) intact, as
it is? If your answer is "no" I would like you to expalin to me exactly
which parts of the amendment you disagree with and why you disagree with
them.
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THE DEBT FREE & TAX FREE AMENDMENT
Part 1- No government body of any kind within the borders of the United
States of America and it's territories, or agency or other institution
thereof, shall borrow money or collect taxes or fees or other monies of any
kind, for any purpose.
Part 2- The Secretary of the Treasury of the United States shall issue per
capita all new money as debt free and tax free currency to banks for bank
reserves for bank lending as prescribed by the Tax Free Money Chart whereby
loan payments are paid back to the borrower, except that the people shall,
by a yearly referendum, approve or reject, by a simple majority of those
voting, the federal government budget as presented to the people by the
President and the Congress, and the residents of the various states,
counties, cities, territories, and other communities, shall, by a yearly
referendum, approve or reject, by a simple majority of those voting, their
respective budgets, which, when such budgets are so approved, Secretary of
the Treasury shall authorize that portion of the money supply so approved to
be issued debt free and tax free directly to the respective government
treasuries.
Part 3- The Federal Reserve Act is hereby rendered null and void.
Part 4- The debt and the interest on the debt of the Federal Government,
State Governments, Counties, Cities, Municipalities, and other government
bodies is hereby cancelled.
Part 5- All financial institutions shall operate on 100% reserves.
Part 6- No government, government institution, person, or other institution,
public or private, may preach, teach, promote or practice exploitation,
usury, the charging of interest on money lending, or slavery of any kind,
including debt/tax slavery.
Part 7- A Maximum wealth holding formula shall be established whereby the
accumulation of income, wealth, and other property in excess of the
established maximum is hereby prohibited unless it can be proven by the
owner and/or owners of that wealth that such wealth was acquired without
using any kind of usury, exploitation, or slavery of any kind, or in any
form including foreign investment, and the ownership of land, business, and
capital, which is hereby prohibited and shall be confiscated.
Part 8- 100% of the gross profit of all businesses and corporations shall be
paid out to the owners of those businesses and corporations before any new
investment may be made by those businesses or corporations, the bond market
and the stock markets shall be closed, and the issuing of bonds and
speculative trading in stocks and/or the ownership of stocks without direct
ownership in the second factor of production is hereby unconstitutional.
Part 9- This amendment makes null and void all parts of the existing
Constitution of the United States that are inconsistent with, or in
violation of, the intent and purpose of this amendment.
Part 10-Volume Discounts in any form, or their equivalent, are hereby
declared unconstitutional.
-----Original Message-----
From: SCIO-LTD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
>
>
>> -Caveat Lector-
>>
>> SCIO-LTD wrote:
>> >
>> > -Caveat Lector-
>> >
>> > Let me address some of your false conclusions as follows nurev: (and
>let's
>> > dispense with the puerile value judgements, "You get a little self
>serving
>> > here don't you buddy?" )
>>
>> I don't think I care to dispense with my value judgments, and there
>> was
>> nothing puerile about pointing out your self serving statements.
>
>Everything you say is purile, you have less sense than I previous supposed,
>as you have so aptly shown.
>>
>> > [Without competition to balance greed, the system is sold under false
>> > pretenses.]
>> >
>> > the system is sold under false pretenses? Utter nonsense! competition
>in no
>> > way balances greed, indeed competition is the result of greed and is
its
>> > active force in commerce.
>>
>> We are saying the same thing. Greedy GE and greedy Westinghouse
>> compete to
>> sell you a refrigerator by offering you a lower price. This is the "
>> Magical
>> Mystical Market " at work. This of course is bullshit, since the
>> companies
>> are part of an oligopoly and often collude to fix prices.
> some are some aren't.
>>
>> But Capitalists keep spouting on and on about " invisible hands " and
>> other
>> superstitious crap.
>agreeded
>>
>> >
>> > [Adam Smith who made the case that with competition the system
benefits
>> > all, and, without competition we are simply destined for some form of
>> > slavery. Smith made clear that without competition the system is merely
>an
>> > oinkfest for oinkers and wanabe oinkers. He didn't much like
>businessmen. He
>> > saw them as greedy, conspiratorial, and obsessed with money. Some
things
>> > never change.]
>> >
>> > Adam Smith, that racist communist, read Anton Chaitkins Treason in
>> > America ---- from Aaron Burr to Averall Harriman, for a detail
treatment
>on
>> > the heretical pronouncement this fool made and how his writings have
>became
>> > a tool to propagandize the opposite of what he seems to stand for,
>>
>> Racist? Communist? Heretic? Compare him to thieves like Fallwell,
>> Robertson,
>> and the Pope.
>Who is talking about them? Again who gives a fuck about the pope or
>Falwell, stick with the subject at hand, if you can.
>>
>> The Pope has finally started to gently chastise capitalism now that he
>> is no
>> longer afraid of being put out of the lucrative god business by the
>> Commies.
>> He must after all. Jesus did say that it's easier for a camel to hump
>> a
>> Dachshund, than for a rich man to get to heaven.
>
>No He didn't, (that's biblical bullshit, your's for that matter for
>misquoting the Word, what an idiot you are, He said it is easier for a
camel
>to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter into the
>kindom of heaven.
>>
>> > the
>> > statement above is a non-sequiter, that doesn't address the what the
>> > relationship between competition and business. As for businessman
>being
>> > greedy, conspiratorial, and obsessed with money, indeed some are, but
as
>> > with most generalized statements it is patently wrong. There has
always
>> > been that breed of merchantislist (which is who Adam Smith was
>addressing
>> > here who sought to out right monopolies everything.)
>>
>> Oh please. Sell it somewhere else. This is a list which is more than
>> familiar
>> with the machinations of businessmen. Go to the archives and save the
>> bullshit.
>dismissive aren't we, especially since again you haven't a clue about what
>your talking about.
>And yes I've been to archives, it really doesn't say much about
businessmen,
>fool.
>> and
>> > [No??? Why no? Does this make capitalism good?]
>> >
>> > There needs to be a distinction between an aspect or attribute of
>capitalism
>> > and its core tenets.
>>
>> This is irrelevant. It's behavior which drives an economy, not theory.
>> It's
>> greed which drives thieves and their paler alter egos, capitalists.
>wrong again fool, solypsystic bullshit, and this is what your extensive
>experience leads you to believe
>>
>> > Monopolies are not capitalism but are a feature of it in the global
>economy,
>> > there are private as well as governmental monopolies. The most
obvious
>and
>> > glaring example of monopolist action which stifles innovation is the
>> > electric utility industry which is on the verge of technological
>> > obsolescence, which is raking up enormous profits while actively
>suppressing
>> > innovation. go figure.
>>
>> I have figured. It makes money. Innovation is not important unless it
>> makes
>> more money for the same people.
>see above
>>
>> >
>> > [ Wrong. Sheer greed has ALWAYS been the driver of capitalism.]
>> > bullocks, bullshit, balderdash, complete sheer and utter crap.
>> > Greed is not the driver of capitalism, you would impute that wealth
>> > formation is an evil activity,
>>
>> That is precisely what I impute.
>so be it. .
>>
>> > it is only is when the rights of others are
>> > violated in its acquisition.
>>
>> Now you've got it. If one can get rich from one's own labor, then one
>> deserves
>> all that he worked for. If one gets rich off of someone else's labor,
>> that is
>> theft. There is not enough time in a lifetime to accumulate fortunes
>> based on
>> one's own work.
>Wrong, but you really won't know that you're not wealthy.
>>
>> > Wealth is good and desirable.
>>
>> Even that is a wrong assumption. Although I'm sure you need to believe
>> otherwise. Wealth in society behaves like a dense star in space. It
>> distorts
>> EVERYTHING towards itself. This is why the rich get richer, wealth
>> concentrates
>> into the hands of the very few, the have nots become a destabilizing
>> force, and civilizations collapse.
>Dense star in space, are you off your fucking rocker, heh, heh, heh(there
>coming to take me away ha ha), Dude the only thing that is distorted is you
>views. civilizations collapse for a variety of reasons.
>>
>> > However most
>> > people including yourself it seems confuse wealth with mal intent.
>>
>> It takes mal intent to accumulate it. It takes mal intent to make it
>> grow. It
>> takes mal intent to keep it. Yeah. I guess I'm right.
>Your guess is . . . guess? WRONG again!!
>faulty reasoning will always
>>
>> > Obviously, wealth has been use to cartelize the world economy, it has
>been
>> > use to prohibit the free exchange of ideas to other nations, it has
been
>use
>> > to subjugate and use the common and natural resource for a foreign
gain.
>>
>> ... and then you say...
>>
>> > Is
>> > wealth or its formation a bad thing. I say no a thousand times.
>Sorry you can't grasp concepts, but everyone has their limits. Hammers
>have been you used to bash peoples heads in well I guess that just makes
>hammers bad. NO YOU ARE THE FUNNY GUY!!!! (alot people laugh when
>they read that, sorry sport)
>>
>> Your a funny guy. Ha ha ha ha.
>>
>> > Remember it is the love of money, and not money itself which is the
root
>of
>> > all evil.
>>
>> Don't quote me that biblical crap. It's both. And you don't expend
>> energy
>> to get rich unless you love money and what it can get you.
>Watch you mouth, you haven't a clue about most things in particular, read
>the statement again fool, for thou art one.
>>
>> > [That's right. Pet rocks, hair in a can, minimum wages, externalization
>of
>> > costs, and a petroleum based automotive industry 100 years old which
>will
>> > not change as long as capitalists have the oligopoly in the oil
>industry.
>> > That's innovation baby. What % of innovations are really advances for
>> > humanity? I don't know. Vare to guess?]
>> >
>> > The fact that we can communicate our ideas is an advance.
>>
>> Yes it's an advance. So what. Beating drums was also an advance.
>> Television
>> was an advance with enormous potential. Look what capitalist
>> innovators did
>> to the best damn learning tool ever invented to date. If businesses
>> are
>> permitted to control and dominate the NET, then its potential will be
>> pissed
>> away too.
>beating drums an advance? You're really going out of your way to prove your
>ignorance, so far as the net it's too late.
>>
>> > Pet rocks,
>> > hair in a can? Who gives a fuck? (you're more intelligent than that:
>aren't
>> > you). minimum wages, yadda, yadda yadda, features of some
>capitalist,
>> > not capitalism. Let me clear the cobwebs from your understanding.
>The
>> > computer industry alone, is responsible for a great deal of innovation
>and
>> > material benefit.
>>
>> Oh come off it. I'm in the computer industry. It put millions out of
>> work.
>> It's tedious , annoying, inefficient, labor intensive, poorly
>> conceived and
>> executed, and will wind up costing everyone much more than any
>> benefits it
>> brought. We can discuss this after next New Year. If cars ran as
>> poorly as
>> computers, we'd still have to keep horses.
>If you're using Bill Gates stuff I understand your frustration, but you
>choose your " tedious , annoying, inefficient, labor intensive, poorly
>conceived and executed, and will wind up costing everyone much more than
any
>benefits it brought." job
>>
>> % wise, who knows, why ask a question you can't
>> > yourself quantify, unless you are speaking rhetorically?
>> >
>> > [ I am assuming here that folks agree that monopoly is a baaad thing.]
>> > Absolutely categorically agree with you.
>>
>> And I would guess that you agree with me because your business is
>> still in
>> a competitive stage. If you were Bill Gates you wouldn't agree with
>> me.
>> Would you?
>All businesses are continually in a competitive stage, it simply doesn't
>end.
>>
>> > [What bullshit! People don't eat information. You get a little
>self-serving
>> > here don't you buddy? The internet has promise in several areas, none
of
>> > which are necessary for sustaining life.]
>> >
>> > Did I say people eat information?
>>
>> C'mon. Stretch a little here. I know you can do it.
>I repeat " Did I say people eat information?"
>
>>
>> > What a fantastic leap in logic you've
>> > accomplished. I sorry you can't understand what is patently
>understandable.
>> > People thrive on information, data and intelligence, yes it is
necessary
>to
>> > life, schools, training institutes and news agencies, the government
>> > (unfortunately the largest producer of information), businesses; media,
>> > entertainment all feed an open mind.
>>
>> But feed it what? People have gotten stupider and more distracted.
>really. . . . ?
>>
>> > It is the driver for wealth
>> > acquisition.
>>
>> Oink, oink.
>Ok PIG
>>
>> > If I know something then I am in a position to act on it.
>> > This fact was known a long time ago. Remember man shall not live by
>> > bread alone but every word that proceedith out of the mouth of God.
>>
>> God and money. What a combination. Let me remind you that Jesus hated
>> and fought against the rich. This is why they had him killed. He
>> threatened
>> the source of their wealth, which came from collaborating with the
>> Romans in
>> exploiting the land and the people. The ordinary people wound up as
>> virtual
>> slaves and hated the Romans and their own rich enough to revolt. The
>> rest,
>> as they say, is history.
>Jesus didn't hate the rich, look at Nicodemus, dude read your Bible, no
they
>killed him because He claimed He was the Son of GOD, brought Him up on the
>charge of blasphemy, and crucified Him. GET IT RIGHT!!
>>
>> Look, you want to make a lot of money? Go ahead and try. But don't try
>> to
>> justify your avarice with bullshit.
>FUCKOFF DICKHEAD. I DON"T NEED to justify shit to you,
>>
>> " Say it strong.
>> Say it loud.
>> I'm a pig,
>> and I am proud!"
>YOU MUST BE, PIG
>>
>> Joshua2
>>
>> >
>> > ============================
>> > Jeffrey C Hearon
>> > Founder & CEO
>> > SCIO-LTD
>> > http://www.scio-ltd.net
>> > http://www.scio-ltd.com
>> > http://www.scio-ltd.org
>> > ============================
>>
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