-Caveat Lector-
Very well stated, Mr. Davis.
On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Mr. Lee:
> If one makes an assertion of a historical fact and is challanged by
> another to show the basis of that assertion the providing of a long list of
> books to research, it should surprize no one that the person questioning the
> truth of that assertion remains unconvinced. Whether or not you are correct
> certainly interests me. However, I would hope that if, in fact, you have any
> truth to contribute to this forum, that you will provide more basis to your
> assertions than lists of books.
> As one who has, in fact, tried to verify through my own research some of
> the claims of those who rever Hitler, I feel that I have, in fact, done
> sufficient research to understand where you are coming from. I spent several
> months studying the claims of those who deny that the Nazis used gas
> chambers to kill masses of Jewish (and other) people. I studied especially
> the claims of David Irving and the Lectner report. In doing so, my
> understanding of the Hitler phenomana was greatly deepened. Exposure to the
> arguements of various "deniers" eventually convinced me that this whole
> thing was not a question of rationality, but of spirituality. Though
> previously I had little belief in demon possession, I eventually came to the
> realization that those who have embraced these beliefs have done so for
> reasons beyond any explanable by the use of logic. Exposure to the rituals
> of the SS and the occult basis of the Hitlerian philosophy has convinced me
> that those who have come under his sway are possessed by some sort of evil
> which I had not before understood to be possible. I pity them and you.
>
> Howard Davis
>
> ----------
> >From: John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Christian Identity undergoes a revival inarea,experts say
> >Date: Fri, Jun 25, 1999, 4:43 AM
> >
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Dear Mr. Davis,
> > Like I said, I'll not do your research for you. Read Mullins on the
> > Federal Reserve; Red Fog Over America by Carr; Iron Curtain Over America by
> > Beaty; Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Mullins; On The Horns of the Beast
> > by Still; Pawns In The game by Carr; The Empire Of The City by Knuth; You
> > Gentiles by Samuel, for starters.
> > The German Central Bank before Hitler was a private bank as is our own
> > Fed Res Bank. Hitler changed that. I'm not sure how Hitler traded with other
> > countries. It may have been barter or it may have been gold and silver or
> > other precious metals or stones. It is not necessary to be on a gold
> > standard to use gold as a medium of exchange. Any "standard" merely
> > guarantees there is enough of something that has a set value everyone agrees
> > to that sets the value of exchange between nations or other entities. It
> > could be salt, for that matter, or any other commodity suitable to all
> > involved, thus a guaranteed standard of exchange exists.
> > Hitler's, Lincoln's and Kennedy's treasury bills drew no interest for
> > Bankers and, in my opinion, got these three killed. Also, bankers were not
> > able to use the fractional reserve to increase their profits by margin of
> > 10.
> > Now then, I do not know everything about the area of history of which we
> > speak. I do, however, know enough to believe Hitler was not what he is being
> > propagandized as today. Agree or not, it doesn't matter to me.
> > John Lee
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Howard R. Davis III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 8:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Christian Identity undergoes a revival inarea,experts
> > say
> >
> >
> >> -Caveat Lector-
> >>
> >> John Lee wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mr. Davis,
> >> > The difference between Hitler's "money" and Roosevelt's "money" is
> >> > considerable. German currency was state owned and issued, based upon the
> >> > assets and production of the nation, whereas Roosevelt's was from the
> >> > Federal Reserve, a privately owned national bank, as it still is today.
> > All
> >> > money used in America and the world today is borrowed from some private
> >> > bank.
> >>
> >> I am quite familiar with your basic thesis concerning the operation of
> >> central banks. However, you state the the German currency was state owned
> >> and issued and apparently not borrowed as is normal policy in the central
> >> bank system. This would as you suggested be similar to Lincoln's policy of
> >> issueing "greenbacks" which were neither borrowed or backed by specie.
> > And,
> >> it would also be similar to what JFK did when he issued several hundred
> >> million dollars in Treasury notes not long before he was killed. However,
> > I
> >> have never heard this assertion made previously and would like to know
> > where
> >> you got this information and whether or not it is true. The Federal
> > Reserve
> >> bank of the US was paterned after that of Germany's and one of the Warburg
> >> brothers ran it while the other pushed for the adoption of the system in
> > the
> >> US. So, apparently they did have that system previous to Hitler's coming
> > to
> >> power in 1933. If Hitler did end the central reserve banking system in
> >> Germany then that certainly would be a reason for certain of the elite to
> > be
> >> profoundly upset. However, you also stated that Germany " went off the
> >> international gold standard that was, and is, controlled by international
> >> Jewish banking". First, how would it then be possible for Germany to trade
> >> with other countries, if, in fact, they had gone off the gold standard
> > which
> >> was still in effect at the time? Did they barter? And, since there no
> > longer
> >> is a gold standard, how can it be controlled by "Jewish banking". You also
> >> state that the "World Jewish Congress declared WAR on Germany." Where and
> >> when did they meet and vote this declaration of war? What was the effect
> > of
> >> this declaration of war? Considering that five years later Hitler got
> >> Austria and the next year Checkloslavakia, it seems there was not much to
> >> this "war". (Also, we know that American bankers such as Prescot Bush,
> >> Aviral Harriman, and the Dulles brothers were investing heavily in Germany
> >> (weren't they part of this "international jewish banking)). And, no real
> >> effort to stop Hitler was put forward by the countries which are
> > supposedly
> >> under the control of these "international Jewish banking" until Hitler
> >> invaded Poland. (And if you have read "Mein Kampf" you will know that
> > Hitler
> >> had planned on expanding Germany's borders to the east since 1924.
> >>
> >> Howard Davis
> >>
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