Lloyd Responds interspresed
below:
>Duesbergs argument is based on the
hypothesis that the institutions >that were set up to fight Nixons
"War on Cancer" have perpetuated themselves with the Fight against
AIDS. In doing so they have hung up the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis as the
only one because it is consistent with their view of disease, that virus's
or bacteria cause disease, in this day and age. (Duesberg ch six, page 168,
A Fabricated Epidemic, and page 83 Phantom Viruses and Big
Bucks)
Lloyd Sez: More likely is that the
virus was created at the Fort Derrick biological warfare project. That
is how Gallo knew it was
the cause of AIDS without a
study...the virus doesn't conform to normal disease parameters per Deusburg
because it is artificial! AIDS
is already achieving the National Security Dictatorship's goals in
Africa. The latest reports show a dramatic decrease in population
growth. The whole genocidal environmentalist and population control
movement whose precursor was the racist eugenics movement is sponsored by
the super-rich Corporate Masters through their foundations....just look at
the grants of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund on the www....
>Of course this supports in part by
the hypothesis of a conspiracy, >however, what are the links to the
Governments attempts at >Population Control?
Lloyd Sez: Population control was defined as a "National
Security Issue" by Kissinger during the Nixon
Administration. They know exactly what they are doing.
>Perhaps it is the large drug
manufacturer's themselves, seeking to >increase their markets by
sponsoring theories that will result in giving >them a market
increase.
Lloyd: Of course! The large drug manufacturers control the
government health bureaucracy to prevent competition and maintain the
environment for their profits.
>Duesbergs hypothesis, conversely
could be implemented by any >number of professionals that can recommend a
change in behaviour >and diet. Thus any research in this hypothesis
will not increase the drug market, or the income and power base of the
medical research establishment i.e. CDC and major Universities. (ibid..
Appendix B page 505)
Lloyd Responds: Of course!
>Adam Smiths self interest has
resulted in this case, a failure to identify >the safest path for the
community, and the world as a whole.
Lloyd Responds: No, Adam Smith explicitly predicted that
capitalists conspire every time they get together and realized that only
unregulated competition can keep them honest. Adam Smith didn't
invent self-interest. Self-interest is inevitable, but
_everyone_ has to exercise it not just STATE CAPITALISTS. No one
should be fooled into accepting "authorities" put in place by
force and fraud. Democacy was designed as a fraud for an elite to
obtain the consent of the governed. FACE IT! The people accept
the Drug Cartel because they think it is government regulated! What
FOOLS!
>The Population Control Hypothesis has
also been attached to the >horrible conflicts in Africa, where the West
has ignored
Lloyd Sez: Ignored? No,
planned the deaths of millions of people for National Security reasons!
>the plight of millions of
people. It is instructive to observe these >events, and determine
whether a conspiracy exists or it is the >behaviour of the institutions
and individuals towards greed and power, rather than what benefits the
country or people as a whole on our Judeo Christian ethics or the basic
tenets of the US Declaration of Independence.
I don't believe that abolishing the CDC
and its like will solve the problem, it goes deeper than that.
If you would like to post this discussion
to prj, please feel free to do so.
Clifford M Dubery
-You are missing the
point that the AIDS/HIV conspiracy is government sponsored and
run...ulitmately probably to limit population growth, especially of
non-white races.
-We have an
increasingly fascist brand of socialism, not capitalism. Under
laissez-faire capitalism there would be no regulatory agencies that
could impose an irrational AIDS/HIV theory on the country....many
theories and treatements would compete on an equal
footing!
-Abolish the
National and International Disease Control apparatuses that are
sponsored by specially privileged
Corporations.
Thankyou Lloyd for the
reference:
I took the trouble to buy and read Peter
Duesberg's book, and now I have a site that will give me up to date
material.
The hypothesis he proposes supports my
contention that Capitalism will not work in the best interests of
the community, and needs to be guided. Healthcare is an
example, in the US universal healthcare does not apply, and the
debate in congress and the press over subsidies for pharmaceuticals
for the poor and disadvantaged is nothing short of amazing,
considering the US is the richest nation in the world, and probably
in history. The level of poverty is extreme and the Capitalist
system is not addressing this waste of human
recourses.
Money drives the HIV/AIDS industry, greed
and power feed on it, and the results are marginal, perhaps a change
is in order. Human life is valuable and precious and shouldn't
be left to the greedy to save, Adam Smith got it wrong in key areas
of human behaviour.
Clifford M
Dubery
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But more
crucially they [President Wilson's Propaganda Creel Commission] wanted to
control the thought of the
more intelligent members of the community in the U.S.,
who would then disseminate
the propaganda that they were
concocting and convert the pacifistic country to
wartime hysteria. That
worked. It worked very well. And it taught a lesson: State propaganda, when
supported by the educated
classes and when no deviation is permitted from it, can
have a big effect. It was
a lesson learned by Hitler and many others, and
it has been pursued to this day.
-Noam Chomsky on
Propaganda
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