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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:33:24 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Disorientation...
In a message dated 99-07-19 00:40:50 EDT, you write:
<< I do not believe that the airplane was intact when it hit the
water. It is very likely that spatial disorientation led to some
kind of dive with severe overspeeding of the airplane.
Exceeding the VNE (Do Not Exceed Speed) will cause most airplanes
to come to pieces. >>
I would agree in general, but not if the departure from
controlled flight took place at about 2500 feet MSL or lower as
seems to be the case. I doubt that the aircraft (gear up or gear
down would make a difference) would have gotten anywhere near
break-up speed prior to impact. Maybe impact at 250-300 knots at
most (even if dive near vertical, especially if gear down -- was
gear down? If not impact apaprently was able to tear one wheel
and strut from a closed landing gear compartment).
I think it likely that at least one wing separated from the
aircraft, but not until water impact. The passenger compartment
was clearly breached if not borken opne entirely if hte info
about the recovered debris is corrrect.
See my prior post this morning re the wreckage.
Just speculation (you know, not all the facts are in!) at this
point, but these would be my best guesses.
In a message dated 99-07-18 19:17:49 EDT, you write:
<< Not many bits floating around out there, though. How hard
could this AC have hit the water? >>
If he stalled the A/C and spun in or got into some other typical
"went out of control" situation, even if this happened as low as
2500 feet MSL, the airplane (if in a vertical or near vertical
dive, perhaps inverted -- due to a slow roll) would likely have
hit at 250 knots or so, maybe somewhat more.
It appears (as I said on Fox TV this morning in Dallas) from the
debris that has been recovered that the passenger compartment has
been significantly breached if not full torn open.
The bodies might be outside the aircraft still belted into seats
that separated from the cabin floor and left the passenger
compartment.
They might all still be within the fuselage strapped in and
compressed forward (or egnine compressed backward) -- that would
be my best estimate, but one or more bodies could be still
strapped into seats within yards of the main wreckage.
One or more may have totally separated from the seat (and belts)
and be on the bottom relatively unemcumbered. If so, the body
might move along the bottom (with bare negative buoyancy. moving
north and then south with the tidal cycle. I don't know much
about local current, but the prevailing winds would be from the
westerly direction.
In a message dated 99-07-18 19:17:49 EDT, you write:
<< I wonder if his flight traning included spins and how he did
with them. >>
Spin recovery was part of the private pilot's ground and flight
school for me back in 1965. Ditto several hours under the hood
-- and not just recoveries from modestly unusual attitudes
either.
I have heard that spin control training has either been cut back
or eliminated in some private pilot training courses over the
last three decades.
I have also been told that a student still spends something like
three hours" under the hood" but that practivce recovery from
even modestly "unusual attitudes" while under the hood is not a
big part of the under the hood training these days.
I scrounged for all the spin recoery training I could while I was
being trained and after I got my initial license. You need to
practie the "strange" stuff since you will get decent practice
doing the normal stuff of everyday flight merely by being in the
air.
Anyone who would like the noted I wrote up for the three TV live
segments to date (will be on again -- noon news today) can email
me for a copy.
Warm regards,
Hugh S.
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