-Caveat Lector- Hi Flemming - Important thing is that awareness is spread of facts as in your statement: "Sure, the U.N. is a container of choice for some people who would like to dominate the old civ(ilization)" and maybe ... "Which, incidentally, makes it all the more worthwhile to turn it into something else." If you or anyone wants to try some jiu jitsu on the U.N., more power to you. I just don't want to see the U.N. promoted (as it currently exists and as the planning for it has been made- lo these many years) and sold to the more moonbeams n' starshine oriented as a huggy feelie groovy disney "it's a small world after all" cutesy global village solution to the world's problems. This is what the Madison Avenue type of "opinion shaping" is attempting to place in the consciousness of the TOOB addict, and I see attempts at spreading it on the net amongst the not-grounded nor pragmatically thoughtful of our "new age" brethren. U.N. is up to it's neck in some totally severe fascist "social programs," and my secret fantasy is that IT WILL die just cuz some negative information about it comes to light.... if enough people were aware of the NWO world dominion activities there'd be an end in sight - no question about it! Only problem is circumventing the controls on free flow of such information, which includes countering their operatives here. I don't see it as acceptable to lend any support or credence to NWO efforts in any direction- if NewCiv is to be associated with U.N., it should be with the clear cut understanding that you and SOME others seem to possess- though I would rather that there be a less fatalistic attitude about (or izzat more fatal ?) U.N.'s continued existance... <g> U.S. has IDEALLY- an Individually "representative" federal republic /confederation of States form of government- which IDEALLY is all one could in one's most generous imaginations hope for in a completely turned-around "People's U.N." ... and look where this is getting us today ! - even so, I strongly believe that support for U.S. national sovereignty and "patriotic" efforts to return the U.S. government to Constitutionally mandated limits is to be *HIGHLY* preferred over NWO efforts to weaken U.S. sovereignty and to treasonously proliferate weapons technology to the Chinese as the current administration has done- and covering the tracks of the NWO by making it look like it was only done out of a lust for political cash contributions on Clinton's part. My vision of NewCiv and of "trimtab" ala buckmeister do not include becoming part of the elite planning for which area the weather control mechanisms should be used to cause killing droughts or where the next plague should visit ... though I DO like Daniel's idea of pre-empting NWO's unhealthful preoccupation (or should I say supplanting it) with population reduction planning of a NewCiv nature. Economic control and population control are the fundamental issues of NWO effort; from there they filter out into every aspect of human life. If we want to be "trimtab" we need to consider these things, and plot our course accordingly- we need take perhaps a holistic viewpoint of history and humanity and effectively support Individual awareness and Sovereignty as Spiritual being- this will remove the "space" for control freaks. (and they'll obligingly wink out of existance <g> ) Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -----Original Message----- From: Flemming Funch http://www.worldtrans.org/ & http://www.newciv.org Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ed's statement of intent At 06:48 PM 8/17/99 -0400, Dave wrote: >A one-world government created by fascists with or without a "People's >Assembly" is something that I will spare no effort to contravene. > >U.N. is the "container of choice" for the current OLDCIV world dominance to >concentrate into as the final step in the "NWO" effort. > >Please reconsider acting subversively in regard to NewCiv. >The U.N. deserves a quick and painless death. > >We must all do everything possible to ensure this. I'm skeptical of most "we must all" statements. Whether it is "We must all support the U.N" or "We must all kill the U.N", it can never be anything but untrue. Things just aren't that simple in the real world. Sure, the U.N. is a container of choice for some people who would like to dominate the old civ. Which, incidentally, makes it all the more worthwhile to turn it into something else. Open resistance against a superior force isn't always the best strategy. I'm afraid the U.N. isn't going to die any time soon just because you write negatively about it. - Flemming o o / \------------------ Flemming A. Funch -------------------/ \ / * \ New Civilization Network / Synchronicity Networks / * \ / * * \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / * * \ o-------o----------- <http://www.worldtrans.org/>http://www.worldtrans.org/ -----------o-------o DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! 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