-Caveat Lector-
I have never been able to tie the various events together.
trying to get the facts/ speculation together seem to be-
(sources both mainline and conspiracy books)
1The British round table/ rothschilds seemed to support the mensheviks in
the first revolution
Trotsky was a menshevik until 'turned' by Lenin.
2 The mailine british establishment(royal family, army etc) supported Czar
and wished he continue ruling
3The germans supported Lenins revolution but only as a means of winning WW1
The Warburgs(head of the german secret service) were highly involved in the
whole operation and as well as providing the sealed carriage provided in the
order of $3-4bn (in todays money). The germans were the principle source of
finance.
4The Russian Jews were predominantly Bolshevik and significant supporters of
the Bolshevik revolution..and provided much of the initial thrust. They were
later sidelined by Stalin due to his better administartive ability.
5The Rockerfellers/ JP Morgans on the american side were the principle
supporters of the bolshevik revolution. Josephson in his book Rockerfeller
internationalist states that schiff paid Rockerfeller money to Lenin. The
Wall street axis continued to support the Bolshevik alliance until now.
Their control rose and fell and rose again. They backed the Jewish
bolsheviks initially, then stalin gained control and was not controlled
until hitlers war.
6The Round Table/ Rothschilds interests continued support of menshevik
principles and continued supporting Trotsky in the hope he would prevail
over Stalin.
The round table's support of Hitler was ambiguous( deceitful ?). Tended to
support zionism as opposed to internationalism. More neutral toward the
christian church. Supported the white russians financially.
7 rockerfeller/ skull and bones supported the Fabian soc and the labour
party. Undermined the christian church by infiltration. Supported the
Bolsheviks. More than once lost control.(Stalins plans to invade germany,
start ww3 against the west- see Stalin Radvinsky)
A conspiracy theory in terms of being a theory should be testable and fit
the facts with the fewest possible discrepancies. It is the discrepancies
that are the true test.
Hypothesis 1
1 there are a number of divergent parties each pursuing their own group
interests. Some of the participants had their foot in more than one camp, or
even changed some allegiances.
The parties would be Germans, americans, round table, russian Jews, S & B
etc.
This is close to mailine history except includes the secret socs
2 Mainline history plus the 2 major secret socs acting against each other
for supremecy
(the daniels hypothesis)
3 A central conspiracy that orchestrates the flow of events. Control is
exercised through the control of money and useful idiots such as Hitler.
4 Central control through 4th dimensional reptaloids shape shifting
humanoids. we are all low dimensional control vibrations that were all mind
controled slaves of a malignant entity whose heart is Ice-k.
5 Conspiracy theories are thought up by a bunch of nuts who are either
paranoid or nuts
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Subject: [CTRL] GAVIN PHILLIPS-- REPLY TO PUBLICEYE.ORG
-Caveat Lector-
Thank you Gavin for pointing out these apparent discrepancies
Let me try to explain the problem.
Ive been working away at this conspiracy area in its various aspects since
about 1960, and so has Ed Griffin, whom I have known for 20+ years with
much
respect .
Back in the early 1970's I worked through the State Department Decimal file
(
the CIA of 1920), the files of the War Trade Board, the British Foreign
Office Confidential files and the German OKW files..
If you look at my WALL STREET AND THE BOLSEHVIK REVOLUTION( Buccaneers Book)
and AMERICAS SECRET ESTABLISHMENT ( LIBERTY HOUSE PRESS) you will find I
base
the case on ORIGINAL documents (telegrams, letters, memos, S&B membership
list etc). No one has ever refuted these documents.
>From the research viewpoint it leaves open whether Schiff and Jewish
bankers.
also financed the Bolsheviks. If you read the appendix in BOLSHEVIK
REVOLUTION you will find a review of the Jewish banker argument .At that
time
I had no evidence that they provided any funds and I still have no
documentary evidence.
However I did find disinformation coming out of the WAR TRADE BAORD directed
by John Foster Dulles, close to the Wall Street operators (Morgan,
Thompson,
Thacher)o. This is confirmed in the Scotland Yard files.
I have always based arguments on documentary evidence at hand. If anyone
has
documentary material contrary to my argument then I assuredly would like to
see it.. On the other hand I do not rely on quotes from interested
parties.
In no way does this detract from the decades long work of Edward Griffin.
This is a murky.field and we all, me included, tread warily.
Show me some original documents, Gavin.
Thank you for your interest.
TONY SUTTON.
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