-Caveat Lector- The Beginning Of The Gunfight At Waco It's On The Tape! One of the key questions regarding the Waco tragedy is, "who fired the first shot"? If the Davidians surprised the ATF by firing through the closed front door as the ATF claims, then the picture of the Davidians as crazed, gun toting killers itching for a gunfight with the feds would have some support. On the other hand, if the ATF agents were the first to fire, then government claims that the ATF agents were "ambushed" would be shown to be yet another lie, and the returned fire by the Davidians would be legal self defense. On April 13, 1993, six days before the Davidian complex was consumed by fire, David Koresh talked to the FBI and the FBI recorded the conversation. During the conversation an FBI negotiator asks Koresh how it came to pass that the ATF "got their asses all shot up like that?". This prompts Koresh to recount the beginning of the gunfight. An audio version of the conversation can be found on this page http://rampages.onramp.net/~djreavis/audiotapes/index.htm -- via the link at the bottom of the page, labeled "David Koresh/FBI, April 13, 1993 (207k)". You will need RealPlayer which can be downloaded here http://www.realaudio.com/. A transcript of the part of the conversation dealing with the beginning of teh gunfight at Waco follows (it starts about 2:07 into the recording referenced above) As you listen to or read the transcript of the conversation, keep in mind that Koresh would have no knowledge that the tape he saw the ATF making would be lost[1]. . . . FBI: How come if you knew they were comin' you didn't just come out and meet 'em Koresh: I did! I did! I did! It's on the tape! Look at the tape! FBI: How come they got their asses all shot up like that? Koresh: Huh? FBI: How come they got their asses all shot up like that? Koresh: Well Look at the tape! I came out on the on the front porch � FBI: Why � I mean where did all that � where did all that frickin' gunpower come from? Koresh: Gerald, you know, you've seen the tapes. Be honest now. Be Honest! Here I am �. FBI: You're gotta help me out cause I came in here just a couple of weeks ago Koresh: Well, John, ask to review those first tapes. FBI: Alright Koresh: Ok -- Here I am at the front door totally unarmed, my my my feet out on the front porch the the door in my left hand (unintelligible) behind me, my right hand up and the exact words that I hollered out as they were all blowin' out of the back of the trailer � my my exact words were, you know "Get back! There's women and children here! Let's talk about this!" And all of a sudden they were comin' around you know � that that shot was fired and it was right here in the door in the very angle where I was, and the door kicked . . . and at that point there, you know ah ah � its all on tape I know you all got that tape, because I saw the guys right across the street when I was on the front porch, over there taping it! ------------------- 1: David Hardy is a Tucson lawyer that has filed a number of Freedom Of Information actions regarding the Waco matter. One of Hardy's more interesting findings is that, according to the ATF, all of their photographic evidence is missing. Here is how ATF describes the missing photographic evidence (see this page): The "official" videocam, set up to film the operation, mysteriously ejected its tapes rather than recording them. The agency attributes this to radio interference from nearby transmitters. (Strange, since video remote controls work on infrared, not radio, signals. Just as strange, the agency admits that when it attempted to duplicate the occurence, it was unable to make it happen.). That wasn't the only "official" videocam filming the front of the building during the raid. There was another, mounted on a tripod beside the communications van. And another at a sniper position. And still another (although this may overlap with one of the first two) filming from an "elevated position." Mysteriously, none of these videotapes can be found. And the agency officials who saw them in the past say that every single camera malfunctioned in the seconds before the raid. (Quality control isn't what it used to be apparently.). The only clue was that these videos may have been given to the Texas Rangers. But when I asked for copies from the Rangers, they replied that the videos were in Rangers' possession, but not in their control. Control was vested in the U.S. Marshall's Office, for whom they had gathered them. I then made a FOIA request to the Marshall's Office.... which said they could not produce them, since they were not in their control. [I've since sent this letter to the Rangers, but have not gotten a reaction.]. The "official" still camera's film....and indeed the official still camera...vanished from a table in raid headquarters, surrounded by Federal agents, during the raid. At least that's what the ATF's Public Information Office swore happened. (Crime may be rising, but you would think a room full of Federal agents would be safe from thieves). While "unofficial" cameras were there in abundance (three of the four agents killed had them, and the videos of agents show them wandering around snapping pictures), their film seems to have wandered off. Despite a court order, only two rolls of film could be found, neither of them depicting the raid itself. ================================================================= Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Mike Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~~~~~~~~ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. ================================================================= DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. 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