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          Militia Leader Talks
          Bo Gritz Interrogated by Adam Parfrey

          Extracted from New Dawn No.30 (May-June, 1995)

          CONT'D

Q: You trained Special Forces that went into Jonestown?  What was
the precise nature of the operation?

A: I don't know precisely because it was a compartmentalized
operation. The only thing that I do know for certain is what the
Sergeant I quote said coming out of Jonestown.  He was insistent,
because he was disgusted, on writing this book.  He was, without
compromise, going to call it 'All the Niggers Are Dead'. I asked
him, "Why would you want to entitle anything such an offensive
way?"  He said, "It doesn't make a difference what your color,
your creed, your sex," he said, "when you are treated the way
they were, that's what you are, you're a nigger, you're nothing
else."  I think that those soldiers saw things that affected them
and made them very angry.  I've seen other things like that in
combat where there have been abuses. I wrote about one of them in
my book where the Captain tortured the young girl severely and
the young Sergeant put on a swastika and said "If I'm going to
act like a Nazi I'm going to look like one."  I think that the
same kind of negative impact occurred in Jonestown.
      A few weeks ago there was a report out of Montreal about
people winning cases against the CIA because they were utterly
abused in the mental health clinic that was set up by the CIA in
Canada. That all came down under Allen Dulles tried to make a
Manchurian Candidate. I think the Jonestown incident was an
extension of In Search of the Manchurian Candidate, I think those
people were conditioned to act in certain ways and would have
probably just moved from Montreal to Guyana, in this case. You
look at Jim Jones' background carefully, he had a lot of
intelligence contact there for doing exactly what he did.

Q: Did it go haywire?

A: Of course it went haywire. God be praised, just like the
Montreal Health Institute, it self-destructs because it's not
good in its essence. Most of these folks involved were street
people, so they didn't have people who knew where they were or
were concerned about their well-being. It escalated once they
killed congressman Leo J. Ryan; basically, they had no other way
to go, so they just tried to self-destruct the whole mission. And
that means the death of hundreds of people. As I point out in the
book, the medical examiner there made some startling statements,
and we wouldn't even allow the bodies to be properly examined
when they were brought back in to the East Coast and turned in.
So obviously it was a cover-up. Jonestown I think was an
extension of MK-ULTRA from the CIA and there are probably other
experiments going on.

Q: Were Special Forces down there as it went haywire?

A: No, I think the Special Forces units were pulled together as
an exterminator after it had reached a point where they had to
destroy the evidence. Those teams were called on many times. We
had what we called Disaster Area survey teams. They were put
together and designed and to leave on a moment's notice. If you
had an earthquake, and there were many of them in Managua,
Nicaragua, Guatemala, you instantly dispatch those teams. Special
Forces teams were trained to go into these areas and to be
dropped in by helicopter, rappel if needs be, or parachute, and
work their way back and make surveys. In this case instead of
surveying for physical, meaning nature's, damage, they were
surveying for human presence and mop up any that might have
escaped.
     Allen Dulles is dead, but that doesn't mean that the idea of
controlling people's minds and behavior is dead, and I still
think that is a goal. And when you look at what I believe is a
tilt for Global Government you see where that would be even more
intensified now. We had gas, for example, this was way back in
the late 50s, early 60s, we had gas that you could use that could
completely change people's desire to fight or to flee. The army's
chemical-biological warfare research labs, I think that kind of
stuff still goes on. They have to have human guinea pigs to
practice on because animals other than human do not produce the
kind of comprehensive results that they need. So when it comes
down to human behavior, they probably take street people. There
are kids missing off the streets of America every year. Some of
them may end up being sold for body parts down in Guadalajara,
Mexico, and a few other places for rich people who don't want to
wait in line for organ transplants. And some of them undoubtedly
end up in Satanic rituals. But many of these ritualistic abuses
may really be governmental operations.
      I think MK-ULTRA exists today.


[The foregoing 'interview' was abridged from a much more
comprehensive piece, with commentary, that appears in Adam
Parfrey's book "Cult Rapture."  Mr. Parfrey's interview should in
no way be construed as an endorsement of Bo Gritz or any of his
theories. For further information on "Cult Rapture," write to the
publisher, Feral House, PO Box 3466, Portland, Oregon 97208-3466,
USA. Web Site: http://www.feralhouse.com/

Extracted from New Dawn No.30 (May-June, 1995)

Copyright (c) 1995 by Adam Parfrey

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