-Caveat Lector- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Moebius> To: < Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 2:58 PM Subject: Statement of Jeannine Scott, Wife of Yogurt Accused Mike Scott ERIK C. MOEBIUS Statement of Jeannine Scott Regarding Questioning of Her Husband Prior to Being Arrested on the Yogurt Shop Case On Wednesday, September 8, 1999, they showed up at my office. They asked if we were married. They said that Mike Scott wasn't in any trouble, that they were just following up on a case and that they wanted to talk to him. They said that they wanted to know what our daily routine was. They wanted to know where my daughter was going to day care. Mike was working on getting his GED. They picked up at 8:30 a.m. on the 9th in front of my office. He had agreed to meet them at my office. I was transferred with a major computer corporation. I was a service engineer. I am a computer techie. At 2:15 p.m. on the same day that they picked him up he left me a message on my phone, stating: "I guess I know more about this than I thought. It looks like I am going to be here for a while. It struck me as strange. Either you know about something or you don't." About 6:00 p.m., I paged because I couldn't find him. I received a return call from a detective that said that they would be done in an hour. I walked into my house at 7:00 p.m. and I received a call from my husband. He told me that he would be a couple more hours. By about 9:00 o'clock, I was in the phone book looking for lawyers' names. It was too suspicious. They were keeping him there for hours and hours. I paged him at 11:00 p.m. and I received a return page from a detective, saying that they would bring him home in 15 minutes. When he got home, I asked if they had left, and he said "No, they want to talk to you." "Do you want to talk to them." And I said yes, and I went out there and told them that I was irritated, that they were rude to keep him. The detective told me again that Robby was in no trouble, that we were just trying to close out an old case. I was told not to ask Robby anything about the case. The next, September 10, 1999, they picked him up. He wasn't sleeping well and he didn't have time to eat anything. So he ate nothing from September 8, 1999 at dinner for the next couple days. They picked him up around 9:00 a.m. on the 10th. He was back at my office around 4:30 p.m. that afternoon. He was tired and frustrated. He stated that they were hammering him for details he didn't have. He told me that they had told him that they knew everything that happened, but that they needed by husband to tell them everything. He was really frustrated. He said he was in the area. It was one of the younger ones that had the .22. They sent him home on Friday, the 10th and told him to think about it over the weekend. And that they would be back on Monday. They also told him that he was just another victim, and that they wanted to help him. After being with these guys (the cops) they tried to convince him that he was there against his will. It looks like I was there and that I was forced to do what I was forced to do. They told him that they wanted him to appear in front of the grand jury and testify. And then they changed there minds. They changed their minds on the 22nd of September, 1999 about him testifying before the grand jury. On Sunday, September 12, 1999, they picked him up between 9:00 and 9:30 a.m. and brought him home at 5:30 p.m. They said that they had been driving him around, telling him that they were trying to improve his credibility. He was tired and dejected. Stressed. They left him alone on Monday, the 13th and met with him on the 14th at a restaurant. They accused him of trying to protect somebody. Patrick Davidson is the person that Mike was trying to protect. My husband has never owned a fire arm. They said that my husband had given the weapon to Patrick Davidson to destroy in some fashion. They pulled Patrick Davidson in from somewhere. Mike never met Patrick Davidson until November of 1992. My husband is not stupid. I can't see how my husband would hang on to a murder weapon for almost a year, to give it to Patrick Davidson. They demanded details like who was standing where and who was doing what, stuff he knew nothing about. My husband still suffers from ADD. His memory is really crappie. I see it in him regularly. He is always asking what the day is. He doesn't keep track of things that way. He can plan going camping, but he can't plan the details. He is great at packing camping gear. He was a Boy Scout and one step below Eagle Scout. It was like they were trying to convince my husband that he did these murders. And like they are trying to convince my husband's best friend that Mike gave him the murder weapon to get rid of. Then we went and talked to Ben Florey. I wasn't impressed. He went to see my husband. I called his office and told him that all I wanted was a yes or no. Florey makes no contact with us until after the arrest. Then he went to the jail and met with my husband there. Leon Grizzard. Tel: 512- Date: 10/15/99 11:06:24 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Moebius50 To: Subj: Seattle Times Article Re: PunitiveDate: 10/1/99 10:06:51 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Moebius50To: MatrxNW, Press Release: From: Yogurt Shop Defense team. We have reason to believe that all 13 work site deaths, from a total of three different work sites, two here in Washington and one in Austin, all have the same insurance carrier. We also believe that the insurance coverage on the Yogurt Shop site was not paid for. And we believe that despite the $12 million announced "settlement" of the Yogurt Shop case, we believe that far more than $12 million moved under the cover of the four Yogurt Shop deaths claims. These murders were the work of an organized, detailed psychopath. These murders involved the typical mutilation of white, female bodies that is remarkably characteristic of organized psychopathic conduct. As a result, the files from these Yogurt Shop Murders were sent to Quantico, Virginia, to the FBI's Behavioral Science Division for analysis. At least one detective, former FBI Behavioral Science Unit Special Agent Jim Bell, confirms having reviewed the Yogurt Shop murder case while at Quantico. Interestingly, Detective Jim Bell presently works for the Palatine Police Department, where he has been attempting to solve the shocking "Brown's Fried Chicken Murders", which took place in Palatine, Illinois. Those murders involved an after hours murder of 7 employees and the new owner, who had just bought the "Brown" establishment 6 months previously. According to Detective Bell, the same M.O., or method of operation, that was used in the Brown's murders was also used the following two evenings at similar after hours murders of employees at restaurants in Kentucky and Tennessee. "There is no way these kids did these murders," said one member of the rapidly forming defense team of volunteer lawyers and civil rights entities that have come to the aid of the newly accused child defendants. "These guys (APD) don't have anything more on these kids today than they did 8 years ago, which was squat! And Ronnie Earle (Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle) is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks he can get away with indicting these kids." According to the defense team, these murders were conducted pursuant to a money laundering scheme, which in conjunction with numerous other similar murders across the country, strongly suggests the appearance of a new, powerful motive for murder. The lawyers further assert that the parties who conducted these murders have been well known to Austin Police Homicide Chief Lt. David Parkinson."We have been demanding for years that they prosecute these murders. They know the men who conducted these murders, and they understand the motive. Lt. Parkinson was more content to make up suspects." And suspects they have made up. In the wake of Austin's most brutal, horrifying murder of four children, Lt. David Parkinson arranged for the issuance of false suspects in the form of two Mexican Nationals, who mysteriously, after being identified, where allowed to return into Mexico. In a subsequent meeting with attorneys and civil right leaders from the same defense team that has now, years later, come forward to defend the newly accused, Lt. David Parkinson recanted his earlier statement and insisted to the assembled group of astonished community leaders that he had fabricated the Mexican Nationals, partially explaining that they were "never suspects. This conduct has cast the most recent leanings of the Austin Police Department to solve these murders with child witnesses (who only very recently turned "suspects") into a new light. "You have got to ask yourself," stated one team leader, "why has Lt. David Parkinson always refused to prosecute these murders by pretending to an entire city that the suspects got away? And why is he pretending to prosecute the murders now by coming in so heavy handed on top of these kids?" Of even more curiosity is the sudden announcement of a "solution" to these now old, yet still shocking murders, which was almost immediately followed by a publicly embarrassing press conference in which APD issued a televised "Uh,Oh! Maybe we can't prosecute these kids after all." The defense team doesn't seem to be short for answers that, to them, make Ronnie Earle's seemingly bizarre behavior both predictable and menacing. "These guys are getting cold feet," stated San Antonio defense attorney Nic Milam. "They were putting their attorneys on these kids' cases, thinking they could sink these kids without a whimper. They were bulldogging these kids into a conviction. Now their lawyers are gone, and we're here. Which means if Ronnie Earle indicts, we will finally have the platform to solve these murders ourselves." The references made by Mr. Milam point to a consensus among the accused children's defense team that once D.A. Ronnie Earle indicts, he will open the gates on the admission of extensive evidence of Austin police and District Attorney complicity which will destroy Earle's career, and, according to Seattle lawyer Erik C. Moebius, inflict Earle with a political and professional "black eye that will leave lumps on the back of his head." Ronnie Earle has drawn unfavorable attention in the last few years, exhibiting behavior that is either erratic or clumsy. Ronnie Earle has been recently vilified in the national press for attempting to convict a 10 year girl of murder, not once, but twice. In the years before that, the Travis County District Attorney has distinguished himself by indicting a sitting U.S. Senator for sending Christmas lists out on her computer. When the Senator Kaye Baily Hutchison case came to trial, D.A. Ronnie Earle, who had apparently spent the previous night drinking (according to reliable sources, Earle has 5 DWI's, a decent record for a District Attorney) sat there in open court, in front of hundreds of TV cameras, ashened faced. Earle refused to stand up, or even make an audible grunt. As a result, Senator Hutchison, walked free without having to say a word. For all his seemingly haphazard desire to prosecute anything that moves, Ronnie Earle has for almost 20 years refused to prosecute the murder of an Austin high school teacher who was shot and killed at point blank range by a shot to the head. The student on the other end of the gun delivered the bullet in front of the entire classroom full of children. That student, who to this day, has never been prosecuted, was represented by Austin lawyer Roy Q. Minton. It is also Mr. Minton that served as the insurance defense attorney on the Yogurt Shop case. Seattle Times Article:Punitive damages for pipeline deaths? Maybe by Jim Brunner Seattle Times Snohomish County bureau BELLINGHAM - The families of two 10-year-old boys killed in the June 10 Olympic Pipe Line explosion and fire can't seek punitive damages under Washington law - but may be able to seek such damages under Texas law, a Whatcom County judge has ruled. Whether Texas law applies will depend on what facts emerge from the ongoing investigation into the pipeline operator's actions, Whatcom County Superior Court Judge Steven Mura said yesterday. The pipeline company's managing partner is based in Houston. The ruling came during the first court hearing in the wrongful-death lawsuits brought by the families of Stephen Tsiorvas and Wade King, who were fatally burned while playing near Whatcom Creek after 277,000 gallons of gasoline spilled from a ruptured pipe operated by Olympic Pipe Line. Touched off by a fireplace lighter lit by one of the boys, the gasoline exploded into a fireball that scorched a mile and a half of creek bed and sent black smoke billowing into the sky. Liam Wood, 18, also died after being overcome by gas fumes while fly-fishing along the stream. His family has not filed a lawsuit. The Tsiorvas-King lawsuits name Olympic, several company employees, and Equilon Enterprises, the Houston-based oil company that is the managing partner of Olympic Pipe Line, headquartered in Renton. It is Equilon's Texas connection that may leave the door open for punitive damages. Punitive damages are awarded on top of whatever money might be awarded for actual losses. They are used to punish civil offenders for outrageous conduct. Mura yesterday agreed with Olympic attorney Richard Allen, who argued that Washington law does not generally permit punitive damages - a policy repeatedly upheld by the state Supreme Court. "This court does not have the authority to overturn that," Mura said. Whether the families will be able to rely on Texas law to claim punitive damages from Olympic or Equilon will likely depend on evidence uncovered in the ongoing National Transportation Safety Board investigation to determine what caused the pipeline rupture and why operators failed to immediately notice it. That investigation has been hindered by the refusal of eight Olympic workers to speak with investigators. The workers, worried about possible criminal charges in the case, have invoked their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination. David Beninger, the attorney representing the Tsiorvas and King families, said he'll argue that decisions made at the company's Texas headquarters contributed to the rupture in the 30-year-old pipeline. "The fuse for this bomb was lit in Texas and just happened to explode in Washington," Beninger said. Olympic representatives have defended the company's safety record and said construction work by Bellingham city contractors near the pipeline may have damaged the pipe. Jim Brunner's phone message number is 425-745-7808. Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Full-name: Moebius50 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:22:24 EDT Subject: Check out The Bellingham Herald Online To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <A HREF="http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/explosion/index.htm">Click here: The Bellingham Herald Online </A> http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/explosion/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 1:04 PM Subject: Fwd: Check out The Bellingham Herald Online ERIK C. MOEBIUS Dessie: We believe that the same insurance carrier that covered the Yogurt Shop work site also covered the nine Equilon work site deaths. We also believe that a very recent ruling up here - which allowed us to apply Texas law in a Washington courtroom - created the immediate need to "solve" the Yogurt Shop. We received a ruling allowing the Washington courts to apply Texas law in these deaths. Which means we can get punitive damages. Which really means that we can ask an expanded range of questions ... such as "What other work site deaths did your insurance carrier cover?" and "Where is the check that paid for the coverage on the Yogurt Shop." Please check the above web site and the article about "Judge's Ruling" as it mentions me. It was immediately the day after that ruling that they announced that they had "solved" the Yogurt Shop Murders. There are no new facts, there are only new external urgencies. Minton needs to close the door on the Yogurt Shop Murders because he is concerned that we will get discovery into the insurance carrier on both work sites. More to follow. Q: What is the connection between the nine work site deaths in Washington State and the Yogurt Shop Murders? A: Within hours of the six men dying in Anacortes, the Texas law firm of Provost Umphrey flew up here and signed the families of the dead. We also believe that the same insurance carrier covered both sites. Q: And that's a connection? A: The placement of unusual amounts of insurance coverage on a work site in the months prior to the deaths taking place on that site is evidence of premeditation. Q: Just like putting life insurance on grandma and then having her killed to collect the coverage? A: Close. Instead of putting the coverage on grandma, you put coverage in place on the work site where Grandma works. Q: And then kill her on that work site? A: Right. Which starts enormous amounts of insurance money moving bank to bank. Q: But you are saying that it isn't insurance money, that it is drug money that is portrayed as insurance money? A: Right. Drug money flowing through the veins of the insurance company's accounts. Q: So how does the drug money get into the insurance company? A: Premiums. Insurance companies can take in enormous amounts of drug money as "premiums." And no one has ever paid a dime for tax for paying a premium. Q: So an insurance company can suck in enormous amounts of drug money as premiums? A: Insurance carriers get audited once every five years. And no one looks to see if the premium intake matches up with real policies. Q: So ... they launder it in and ... A: Murder it out. Q: Is there claims fraud on the Equilon deaths? A: Just like the Yogurt Shop files. No discovery, no depositions, no pleading that Equilon caused the deaths of the nine, instead pleading only that Equilon caused the families of the nine to suffer. Q: You mean that no one is claiming that Equilon killed anyone? A: No one is saying: "Equilon killed 10 year old Wade King. And Wade King suffered. And Wade King has a survival action. And even though Wade King is dead, Wade King still has a right to recover for what he lost. And we want to prove that Equilon caused Wade King's death." Q: What are they pleading? A: That Wade King's parents have suffered because Wade is dead, that Wade King's parents are hurt, that Equilon caused Wade King's parents to suffer. Q: You mean the derivative claims of the surviving family members? The claims for loss of consortium? A: Exactly. And those claims don't exist until Equilon's negligence for causing Wade King's death is proved first. Q: So ... these pleadings aren't pleading at all? A: That's right. They are a sham. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 1:10 PM Subject: To: Dan Mills, Asst. U.S. Attorney, Austin, Texas Re: Work SiteDeath Cases Rob: This letter was faxed to U.S. Attorney Dan Mills minutes ago. I am concerned about the sudden reappearance of William White. I have no reason to distrust him. My only concern is whether or not this is an attempt by Minton to re-establish control over the case. The way to prevent an indictment is to make it clear that if Earle indicts, then this is what our case is. We have to prevent a judge from issuing injunctions minutes before trial that prevent the trial. If they know we can prevent a "no trial trial", plain and simple, they won't indict. As a result, it is not inconceivable that Minton could have been instrumental in the re-contact with Mr. White. You don't need a criminal lawyer to prevent an indictment. You need to convince them that you are loud enough, determined enough, and willing to be outspoken enough that you are going to eat their lunch if they indict. Anything ... anything ... that makes them feel they have reestablished control over this case, anything like that will make them more likely to indict. They must be forced to feel an absolute lack of control. It has to be absolute and it has to be now. They will not indict if they feel that cannot get "sufficient" control over the case. So, because of them, and not because of Mr. White, I am extremely suspicious of Mr. White's reappearance. Ronnie Earle must never feel for a second that he has ANY control over this case. I will be sending a letter later today to Buddy Meyers requesting the issuance of subpoenas on Minton, Lt. Parkinson, Moerschell, Bauer (Yogurt Shop owner), Jack Parker (Nartionwide adjuster) and other to prevent flight from the jurisdiction. We are entitled to force the grand jury to do that. When you initiate process, you take control. Earle can be backed down from an indictment, but you have to hit him hard. Erik ERIK C. MOEBIUS 310 SOUTH 198TH STREET SEATTLE, WASHINGTON 98148 TEL: 206-824-3644 October 19, 1999 Dan Mills Via Fax: 512-916-5854 Assistant U.S. Attorney Off. Tel: 512-916-5858 816 Congress Ave. Suite 1000 Austin, Texas 78701 Re: Yogurt Shop Murders False Prosecutions Questions Regarding William White, Attorney Dan: We recently experienced nine work site deaths here in Washington State. Please see Equilon, Anacortes, November 25, 1998, "Six Die in Refinery Blast" at www.seattletimes.com and Equilon, Olympic Pipeline, "Pipeline Blast Kills Three," June 10, 1999, www.bellinghamherald.com. The Washington State, Equilon work site deaths, like the Yogurt Shop work site deaths, have the same post death claims fraud. Anyone who understands civil litigation can take a look at both the Yogurt Shop civil file and the Equilon civil files and immediately see that the files are "dead files" or cover files. We believe that the same insurance carrier is involved in providing coverage for all 13 work site deaths; four of them in Austin, and nine of them more recently here in Washington. We have always maintained, to our enormous frustration, that the U.S. Attorney and the IRS-CID could easily solve the Yogurt Shop Murders by identifying the insurance carrier that covered the site, determine whether or not a check was issued which paid for the site coverage, and track the flow of monies from that carrier's reserve accounts into the lawyers' trust accounts of Roy Q. Minton and Jeff Rusk. Mr. Minton and Mr. Rusk were, respectively, the defendants' lawyer and the plaintiffs' lawyer on the Yogurt Shop civil case. Dan Mills Assistant U.S. Attorney October 19, 1999 Page Two The Yogurt Shop case, until very recently, has been inactive since the day of the girls' murders in December of 1991. As you well know, Austin Police's only homicide reconstruction expert, former Sgt. Dusty Hesskew, was immediately denied access to the Yogurt Shop murder files from the beginning by Lt. David Parkinson. As such, we have long complained that there was never an investigation. However, the Equilon work site file cases here in Washington State have been extremely active, but only as the result of the efforts of the father of one of the six men that died in Anacortes. We very recently received a ruling in the Equilon cases that would allow Mr. Murdzia to apply Texas law in a Washington courtroom. That ruling would allow Mr. Murdzia to force Equilon to declare the insurance carrier who covers the nine work site deaths here in Washington. As stated previously, we believe that Nationwide will prove to be the insurance carrier covering all 13 work site deaths. We also believe that there will be gross anomalies in the manner in which coverage was secured and put in place on each work site on which these many deaths occurred. These anomalies will demonstrate pre-meditation by the carrier that the work site deaths take place. As such, we believe that we are questions away from identifying the carrier on the Yogurt Shop Murders as a result of our work here in Washington State on the nine Equilon work site deaths. If we are correct, if our recent ruling here in Washington puts us one question away from solving the Yogurt Shops due to the presence of the same carrier covering all work site deaths, then those that conducted the Yogurt Shop Murders would feel strongly compelled to immediately "solve" the Yogurt Shop Murders. A very sudden, very convenient "solution" to the horrific murders of these four girls would close the door on our inquiries here in Washington. In a tragic way, we have been extremely fortunate in Equilon's selection of victims here in Washington. The first 12, like so many people, died from families that lacked the economic or political clout to force the U.S. Attorney to do what our years of begging have been unable to do. Dan Mills Assistant U.S. Attorney October 19, 1999 Page Three However, the thirteenth victim is 11 year old Wade King. Wade King is, or was, a grandson of a Fortune 500 Family. And that, to our relief, has changed everything. The simple truth is that access to justice in this country is not based on the injustice suffered, but the status of the person suffering the injustice. By mentioning that Wade King was 11 years old when he was tragically burned to death, I did not mean to imply that the Justice Department would be willing to take a stand to stop or solve the murder of innocents. As we have too often observed, to our despair, even child death is not sufficient to motivate the Justice Department from its usual reluctance to act. But money is. And Wade King's family has both the will power and the resources to make normally complacent heads role if justice is not obtained. As a result, we find ourselves in a whole new ball game. One should not underestimate the perils associated with denying due process to the powerful. And it appears that this message has not been lost on our opponents, those that we believe, and have believed for years, conducted these murders. Unlike the Justice Department, that seems to perpetually lag so far behind in its comprehension of this criminal conduct as to make it irrelevant, Minton and Ronnie Earle have always been quick to comprehend when their interests are at stake. They can change course in seconds if it involves accomplishing their goals. My immediate concern is Austin attorney William White. Mr. White has recontacted the Scott family, instructing them that the U.S. Attorney wants Mr. White on the case. Originally, Judge Lynch denied Mr. White to represent the family, and instead placed Austin attorney Leon Grizzard on the Scott case. Mr. Grizzard and Mr. Minton go back together for a substantial period of time. It was Mr. Grizzard that was centrally involved in the disbarment and indictment activity that Minton generated against me as I and so many others complained to you about these murders. I am concerned that Mr. White may have been contacted by Minton and instructed to recontact the Scott family. I would like to know if that is true that the U.S. Attorney has requested that Mr. White reenter the case. Dan Mills Assistant U.S. Attorney October 19, 1999 Page Four My concern relates to the enormous amount of money and resources Roy Q. Minton has at his disposal. It is not inconceivable that Mr. White has been asked by Minton to reapproach the Scott family in order to reestablish Minton's control over these cases. Due to your past reluctance to address these murders, I find it surprising that your office would have gone out of its way to contact Mr. White and ask that he resume his involvement in the Scott defense. I don't know how your office would even know to contact Mr. White. I am also enclosing a statement from Roy Rose of West Virginia. Mr. Rose's statement demonstrates that at about the same time our activities up here in Washington began to create exposure to the insurance carrier covering the Equilon work site deaths (and, we believe, the Yogurt Shop work site), Austin PD came alive, after 8 stagnant years, and suddenly squeezed child suspects out of thin air. We are horrified at the prospect of even more children being victimized by this murder. And even more horrified that the Justice Department has never been able to grasp the importance that parents in a civil society place on the Justice Department being willing to focus its attention on preventing the murder of our children. Your Department's failure to grasp that one essential dogma leaves us with the feeling that we have no effective central government. Please review the attached statement of Roy Rose. And please provide background on William White. And I ask that you finally shake yourself from your normal institutional complacency. It is entirely conceivable that these cases will be moved to U.S. District court on a removal petition and that your office will become centrally involved at our request. It would be better that you not be caught flat footed. Dan, you and I have always had a cordial relationship. And you have always been helpful. But don't force us to watch your office standby while Ronnie Earle and Roy Minton spin increasingly out of control. It is more than time to bring this man in. Sincerely, S/ Erik C. Moebius Encl: Subj: Statement of Yogurt Shop Witness: Refusing to Appear Before Grand Jury Date: 10/18/99 5:42:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: Moebius50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ERIK C. MOEBIUS 310 SOUTH 198TH STREET SEATTLE, WA 98148 TEL: 206-824-3644 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice: Attorney Nic Milam of San Antonio and I represent Yogurt Shop Defendants Robbie Springsteen and Mike Scott. Mr. Roy Rose of Charleston, West Virginia, will not appear before the grand jury in Austin. As his statements sets forth below, Mr. Roy Rose is not a material witness. Statements that Mr. Rose implicated Robby Springsteen in the murders are false. We believe that D.A. Ronnie Earle will not indict any of the four. If he does, you can expect a trial that will disclose the motives for the murders, the perpetrators of the murders, and the very sudden need to close these murders out at the expense of innocent people. I am somewhat offended that after 8 years of doing nothing, you have provided the Austin Police Department with a sudden aura of respectability. One has to wonder why you are not more suspicious as to why these murders were suddenly "solved" with information that APD had in their possession since shortly after the murders in 1991. Below is the statement of Roy Rose of Charleston, West Virginia. STATEMENT OF ROY ROSE REGARDING ROBBY SPRINGSTEEN YOGURT SHOP DEFENDANT October 17, 1999 Attention Grand Jury of Travis County On 9-16-99 I received a phone call from Austin Detective Ron Lara. He asked who my best friend was. After some discussion, he mentioned Rob Springsteen. I replied that yes, Robby was a friend of mine. Detective Lara asked me to come to the Charleston police station to answer a few questions. I agreed and went there with my wife, Charlene Rose. When we arrived, Detective Lara would not allow my wife to accompany me. We went to a room where several detectives were. I think that three of them were from Charleston and 1 or 2 were from Austin. I sat down where they indicated that they wanted me to sit. I can't recall exactly how he asked me, but he wanted to know anything that I knew regarding Rob and any crimes. I told him that Rob had mentioned that someone might want to talk to him about a robbery that occurred while he lived in Texas. Robby had once mentioned that he was a witness to a drive by shooting. But that was all. Mr. Lara refused to believe that I didn't know anything else. He was sitting in a chair with rollers and wheeled himself right in front of my face and stated in a loud voice that they knew that I knew more. He said that Rob had already confessed and that Rob had told Detective Lara that Robby had already told me and my wife everything that Robby had confessed to Detective Lara. I kept telling Detective Lara that I didn't know anything else about anything. I had never heard Rob brag about rape and murder. And why would Robby give them my name if he had bragged to me? It didn't make sense. And I was sitting in this room with this angry man. I wanted out of that room. I told Detective Lara about my medical condition, that I was heavily sedated under a physician's care for a period of several years. My medical condition at that time or any other time didn't seem to matter to them. One of the other detectives in the room said that my medical condition, or any of the medications that I brought up, were not mind altering so the interrogation continued. Mr. Lara continued to pressure and badger me and I kept saying that I didn't know anything. Around this time one of the detectives asked if I had ever been to Texas. I replied yes, I was born there. He said something like: Well, you're about to go back at this time for a jail or prison sentence for withholding information. This was the first time being subpoenaed to go to Texas was brought up. Detective Lara said that if I was under sedation, was it possible that Rob spoke of committing a robbery, that Robby might have bragged about the murders when I was sedated. I didn't want to make Lara any madder than he was, so I said that it was possible. I don't know why Robby would brag about a murder to someone who is sedated, but I didn't want to make this Lara guy any madder. Then Detective Lara said, "C'mon Roy we know you know that Rob told you he was in a robbery, that he told you all about it." Then he said "Could he have committed a robbery?" I said "Yeah, I guess so." Lara moved from there to "Was Robby with anybody when he committed the robbery?" I kept saying that I really don't know about any of this. Lara kept saying "Yeah you do! We know he bragged to you all about it". I started giving in and telling them back information that they were giving me. By now, this was going on for almost five hours. I was tired and scared and I wanted out of there. Every time that I told them that I didn't know anything, they would respond by shouting at me that I did. They were walking in and out of the room, slamming their hands down on the table. About this time I was asked if Robby was carrying a gun. How would I know? I told Lara that I didn't believe so. I have never seen Robby carry a gun. After that, I believe Mr. Lara dropped the gun issue for a while. I kept leaning forward, laying my head in my hands, at points almost crying. It seemed like I never got even a moment's break. I was tired and scared and exhausted and nervous. As I would lean forward, Detective Lara would immediately raise his voice in anger, or tell me its OK, we know, Robby has already told us everything, we know its terrible, but as soon as you tell us that Robby did these things, then you can leave. Around this time, Detective Lara raised the issue, or the issue came up, "Could this robbery have been botched?" How would I know? But this guy was asking me to almost make up the crime. I think I remarked that it could have. Mr. Lara replied something like "It was going wrong. Robby had to do something. Didn't he?" I would say that I really don't know, or that I can't remember anything like that. And Detective Lara would go off in his hard tone, yelling. Mr. Lara would tell me "Your best friend is bragging about this in great detail, now tell us what really happened!" So I said that Robby rob shot her in the ear. I don't remember how we decided it was a female cashier, but I remember saying; "Robby shot her in the ear." Mr. Lara again said; "That's not it, that's not how it happened." Somehow, about this time, the word rape was brought to my attention. I believe my remark to Mr. Lara at this time was; "No, I don't remember Robby telling me anything like that." Around this time Mr. Lara said something like, Robby bragged so much about this that we could hardly get him to shut up and leave, so just tell us, you're only making this harder on yourself. Detective Lara would continue hammering on the issue if the cashier was raped. Somehow, I said yes, it could have happened. Then the issue was brought up, did Robby shoot her first or rape her first? So I guessed, I said, I remember saying after he shot her, Robby raped her. Then somehow that issue was changed to raping her anally and then shooting her in the back of the head. They kept suggesting additional details. At sometime during all this, the idea was brought up by one of the detectives, who said; "Maybe you could remember things easier if we typed this up and you can fill in some of the blanks." Somehow it happened to that effect. I really was shook up. All the detectives would encourage me, and say that I was remembering more. Mr. Lara would remind me that "It's almost over. Then, if you confess, we can all get back to business and you can get back out to this fine day." On the left of me was a window with sun shining in, things kept going back and forth. Mr. Lara would ask what were the other guys doing? I remember saying something like ransacking the place. The Lara asked me about the issue of was any other employees working. I think I said a couple other girls around 20 years old and maybe a guy. I'm not really sure how the statement was worded about how many other employees were involved. Then Detective Lara asked: "Well what did the other guys do with the other employees at this time? They mentioned ropes or something. Somehow I came up with the idea that they were tied up. And then Lara asked were they gagged. So I said that they were gagged with their own clothes. I remember detective Lara saying what did they do next. I said I really didn't know. Mr. Lara said that Robby had really bragged about this. Detective Lara said that Robby was really telling Lara that Robby had told me about all this in great detail. Lara said something like Robby was really excited about telling you everything. I remember at some point in this time Detective Lara shouting: "Bang! Bang! Bang!" Mr. Lara would suggest; "Isn't this the way Robby bragged about it?" Then around this point, Lara asked me about the other employees. I was asked what were they tied up with. I didn't know. Mr. Lara asked what did they do before they left? I remember saying that they stole some cigarettes and ran out. Detective Lara said: "Out of an ice cream shop!" Somehow ice cream shop became the targeted place were this was happening. I remember stating convenience store at first, then I don't remember how but the location of this crime became an ice cream shop. I remember being asked again; "What did they do before they left the scene?" After I told Lara I didn't know, Detective Lara somehow said: "Didn't Robby say that he torched the place? I remember him saying this in a loud voice. So I gave in to this idea, and said "Yes, Robby said he torched the place." "I believe I was asked if the other employees that was tied up was still alive. I believe I said yes. Then I was asked again what did they did after they torched the place and what did Robby tell you he used to do it with. I think at first, I think I said a cigarette lighter. Detective Lara said that was wrong. Detective Lara kept reminding me that Robby had told me all the details, that Robby had told Detective Lara that Robby had told me all of this and that I should know it. I believe in the statement that it says on several occasions that Robby told me all about this crime. Detective Lara would keep reminding me that Robby couldn't keep this to himself; that Robby had to tell his best friend. And then they started talking again about how they torched the place. They kept asking me to tell them how Robby torched the place. I think I mentioned a bomb, and that didn't seem right to Lara, so finally I said gasoline or possibly lighter fluid. Then I said after they torched the place they ran out of the store and ran down the street. After this, the issue of the gun was brought up again. One of the detectives held up a piece of paper with 6 or 7 caliber guns on it and asked me to pick the murder weapon. After I picked a number of them, and they were the wrong ones, the issue was dropped about the caliber gun that was used. I was also asked were they hid the gun, and somehow I come up with under a train bridge or interstate bridge. My memory has been affected by my illnesses and medications. My recall of the events of this day is affected by this. I have been in and out of hospitals for depression as I have a terminal disease. I am not strong, and I will admit that I am easily intimidated. This statement is to the best of my recollection. I am willing and anxious to prove this by taking a polygraph test in front of the grand jury, as long as the test is given by someone other than the Austin police or anyone else with an interest in manipulating the results. I say this because I understand that Robby offered to give the detectives lie detector tests and DNA samples and that Lara said that it would not be necessary. Why would that not be necessary? Why would DNA not prove or disprove who did this robbery. So I don't think that these people care about the truth. For some reason, all of the sudden, they seem in an awful hurry to solve this robbery. S/ Roy Rose Charleston, West Virginia Sunday, October 17, 1999 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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