Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 16 Nov 1999 Chris W. Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> COMMENT: Per a discussion with deep-cover 'Waco agent' Dale Turner that revealed plausible connections where none were suspected before. - ATF Only Clinton Paramilitary Force Available in Feb 1993 The ATF was involved in the Waco raid a month after Clinton took office because it was the only para-military force he had full control of. The Secret service and the ATF report to the Treasury Department, where Lloyd Bentsen was the new Treasury Secretary, but he conveniently travelled out of the country a lot. - FBI Not Yet Under Clinton Control until Apr 1993 The FBI Hostage Rescue para-military force was still under Republican FBI appointee William Sessions and each of Clinton's proposed Justice Department appointees was being shot down by the Senate (Zoe Baird, etc.). Future felon Webb Hubbell was over at Justice as an Assistant Atty-General and was meeting with the military & the Delta Force by early March 1993 - at the White House's request -- about a week after the ATF raid. - Bungled ATF Raid Late Feb 1993 - Reasons for Raid The bungled ATF raid was apparently initiated by pressure from well-connected illegal DNC contributors to Clinton's 1992 campaign from Australia, who wanted certain Davidian children extracted from certain estranged wives. Firearms had nothing to do with it. - Waco Massacre Already Planned in Early March 1993 The early March 1993 date for a military assault plan indicates that a decision had been made within a week or so of the bungled ATF raid to take no prisoners, if at all possible. - Massacre of Davidians to Cover Up Illegal Foreign Money Trails Through Estranged Davidian Wives The clean-up on the Davidians was envisioned by Clinton & the DNC to keep the lid this illegal foreign money (other contributions were from the Chinese via Riady during the New Hampshire primary when Clinton ran out of money). The estranged Davidian wives, if allowed out with their children would have immediately become involved in custody lawsuits which would have revealed the linkage with Australians and might have exposed the tip of the Clinton illegal foreign money trail in 1993, not much later, after the 1996 election. This was very likely because by not yet having his own Atty-General and his own FBI Director, Clinton was saddled with 55 Republican appointed federal prosecutors scattered around the country, plus an FBI Director, that he could not control. The Waco plans could not be executed until later. - They had to die to remove threat to Clintons Not only the targeted wives, but the targeted children had to be killed to save the Clintons. Their normal mode of operation when threatened was to remove the threat using whatever police power they controlled at the time. Outside of Arkansas in early 1993, they only had the ATF and the Secret Service under relative control. Murder of unlucky innocents never prevented the Clintons from taking out a threat target. The ATF 'F-Team' idiots were eager to prove their worth to a president who was as lawless as they had become since the 1968 Gun Control Act. - The Plan Comes Together by Mid-April 1993 Waco had to sealed off and rendered incommunicado until the plan could be safely initiated. Finally, Sessions was fired, the black- mailable closet lesbian Janet Reno was appointed as Clinton's third choice for Attorney-General. She promptly fired all 55 Republican-appointed federal prosecutors and began replacing them with Clinton stooges. The path was cleared for mass murder and mass coverup, Arkansas Clinton-style. - The Waco Killing Fields - April 19,1999 Free of immediate Republican oversight, the Waco Plan was executed. No one was to be allowed out alive if possible, especially the wives and their children. The many planted bugs were used to isolate where the women and the children were and all attacks with CS rounds and injections were targeted at their presumed locations -esp. the buried bus and tunnels to it. Tanks tried to collapse the tunnels and collapse halls and stairs to keep the women & children where they could be killed more easily. Finally with a fire raging and a possible SAS or Delta Force kill team inside armed with .45 auto pistols (the Davidians apparently had no .45 auto capable weapons) they were near their goal of no wives & children surviving. As any tried to exit they were shot by snipers from the Delta Force (probably the .308 rounds) and Mossad agents (the .223 Israeli rounds). Helping him out of a difficult situation was a risk that proved to be a shrewd long-term investment for them, and also for several later triple-promoted military officers who became 3 & 4 star generals. It is quite likely that the FBI itself did not actually do any 'planned' sniping. The HRT may have had a kill team in the burning building looking for the women and children and shooting armed male Davidians in the forehead when encountered in the low visibility situation, based on the corrupted autopsies. After the fire consumed the building, a Delta Force team placed a charge on the side of the concrete block 'bunker' in the debris and detonated it, killing any still-alive women and children. - Mission I Accomplished 1993-1999 The mission and the cover up was accomplished. No wives, no children survived. The building was totally demolished, the evidence quickly scooped up and buried as soon as those pesky Texas Rangers left. Public autopsies were deliberately corrupted and the morgue freezer units allowed to fail, removing still more evidence. Autopsies on the 4 dead ATF agents from February showed thay had been killed by ATF bullets. Two were former Clinton Secret Service agents who transferred to the ATF in disgust --- more targets cleaned up. These 4 autopsies were witheld from the Davidian criminal trial. After the few elderly or male Davisians, who left before the massacre, were found NOT guilty of murder, the judge gave them incredible decades- long sentences for having access to automatic weapons where federal agents died. Thus, the Clintons managed to have these few remaining Davidians in jail until probable death by persuading Judge Smith that he should use the maximum firearms penalities, even though the ATF knew that they had killed their own agents. This is the same Judge Smith now dueling with the Clinton appointees over evidence and on-going cover-up/ obstruction of justice as the 1999-2000 Davidian civil trail against the ferderal government begins. - Mission II - OK City 3 years later (1995) & Beyond Many of the same ATF/FBI figures from Ruby Ridge and Waco reappeared in the planning and convenient 'bomb day' absence from the office as the "domestic terriorism" bills were stalled in Congress. In a replay of the Oswald scenario from 1963, Timothy McVeigh, a probable patsy also, was pulled into and led to stage a bombing incident. Unknown to him, the building had been professionally rigged with many high velocity explosives to cut the beams. His low velocity truck bomb did little more than blow up the truck and break windows, but the real exposions inside brought down the front face of the building. Well-versed in coverup by now and owning all non-local law enforcement, Mission II was successful. The primary evidence, the building, was demolished and buried within a week, just like at Waco. This is by now a Clinton cover-up signature. Mission III was Ron Brown's plane a few months later. He was in the process of making a deal on the ever-present foreign and domestic DNC illegal campaign funding for the 1996 elections. He was another threat. He was a dead man walking. Botched autopsies, demolishing of the crashed plane all revela the Clinton cover-up signature. Mission IV may have been TWA Flight 800, also a few months later. The normal signature of hidung the crashed plane parts from the normal investigators, classifying the witness reports and arresting independent investigators points out another Clinton cover-up. (Who really was on that plane ?). Mssion V - Making the U.S. into 'Greater Arkansas' After the 1996 election some of the illegal funding was out in the open. Diverted by the Monica Lewinsky debacle, Republicans decided to impeach Clinton for perjury about it, instead of the trail of dead bodies streatching from Arkansas to Waco to OKC to Bosnia that was covering up the river of illegal foreign money that had allowed him to be elected president twice, begin creation of a disguised Police State and initiate the disarming of both America and its citizens while his minions poured our technology to his Chinese and other foreign masters that had helped him into power. Mission VI - Become President for Life by Executive Order ? - Oh, well. It's only a theory. Or is it ? ====================================================================== Testing ordered to see if agents fired on Davidian compound Judge's move is rebuff to Justice Department 11/16/99 By Lee Hancock and David Jackson / The Dallas Morning News http://dallasnews.com/specials/waco/1116waco1tests.htm Turning aside prolonged federal objections, a U.S. district judge on Monday ordered independent field testing to help determine whether government agents fired at the Branch Davidian compound in the last hours of a 1993 siege. U.S. District Judge Walter S. Smith Jr. of Waco issued a three- page order late Monday saying that he was "persuaded" by arguments from Branch Davidian lawyers and the office of special counsel John Danforth that the tests are needed to resolve whether flashes of light recorded by FBI infrared cameras came from government gunfire. FBI officials say none of their agents fired a gunshot during the 51-day standoff, and flashes recorded by an airborne FBI infrared camera just before the Branch Davidian compound burned were inexplicable electronic "anomalies." But FBI officials secretly offered to conduct private tests for Mr. Danforth and his investigators, even as Justice Department lawyers last month rejected a proposal by the Branch Davidians' lawyers for a joint public test, according a Nov. 5 letter to the court from Mr. Danforth's office. Those actions and a warning from Justice Department lawyers that they planned to use national security exemptions to withhold data needed to ensure accurate public tests prompted Mr. Danforth's office on Nov. 5 to seek a court-supervised test. The special counsel's office also has asked the FBI to turn over its hundreds of guns deployed at Waco for ballistics comparisons and other testing. Officials said they are still working out the logistics to ensure that the "precise" weapons are surrendered but expect to comply. Those weapons could be used in the court-supervised infrared tests. Testing FBI guns also could resolve the origin of a dozen .308- shell casings found in a house used by FBI snipers during the siege. Agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms also used the house during a gunfight, which broke out as the ATF tried to search the compound and arrest sect leader David Koresh on weapons violations. Four ATF agents died in the battle that began the 51-day standoff. All of the ATF's guns used at Waco were sent in 1993 for testing by the FBI laboratory, but records indicate there was no effort to tie any of the guns to the shell casings. In Monday's order, Judge Smith echoed the special counsel's concern that federal actions set the stage for dueling public and private infrared field tests. "The court is persuaded that one FLIR [infrared] test should be conducted, with participation and observation by the parties and the OSC [office of special counsel]," he wrote. Backing the judge Mike Caddell, the Branch Davidians' lead lawyer, said the decision could prove key to the sect's efforts to prove the government should be held at least partially to blame for the tragedy. "It again demonstrates that Judge Smith wants to get at the truth," he said. "If they really believe that's not gunfire on that video, then the government's lawyers should embrace this test with open arms." A wrongful-death lawsuit scheduled for May trial in Judge Smith's court alleges that government agents fired into the Branch Davidian compound, cutting off escape for 17 children and other innocents as the compound caught fire. The fire erupted six hours after FBI agents began ramming the compound with tanks and spraying tear gas to force a surrender on April 19, 1993. Justice Department lawyers have said the allegations are baseless. They have noted that arson investigators ruled that a fire that consumed the compound along with Mr. Koresh and more than 80 followers was deliberately set by the sect. Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin said the order is under review. He declined to comment further . The special counsel's office could not be reached. The ruling could help resolve a long public debate about the source of the dozens of blips of light captured on the FBI's April 19 infrared video - flashes that appear to emanate from both government and Branch Davidian positions. Experts hired by the Branch Davidians' lawyers say the flashes came from gunfire. Some independent experts - including an analyst for the House Government Reform Committee - have echoed that conclusion. But experts retained by the government say that the FBI infrared camera was too far away, and the flashes lasted too long to be gunfire. Experts needed Judge Smith's order gave both sides and Mr. Danforth 10 days to propose an expert to oversee the test. The judge set a Nov. 22 deadline for objections to a plan for experts from each side and one representing Mr. Danforth to help develop test protocols. Also Monday, federal lawyers told the court that they have surrendered to the Waco court all government siege records. More than a million pages of government materials have been turned over, including 7,000 pages of classified Defense Department documents, more than 3,000 pages of White House records and secret records from the CIA and the U.S. Commerce Department, government filings indicate. Judge Smith ordered the action in August. But government lawyers spent months fighting it, prompting the judge to warn earlier this month that he would tolerate no more stalling and was "suspect of the government's desire to comply with [his] orders." Previous government pleadings stated that the White House might try to withhold some records under executive privilege. Monday's filing said that the president's lawyers had sent all relevant records. But Monday's pleading indicated that Justice Department lawyers still may try to invoke executive privilege or other legal exemptions to block Branch Davidian lawyers and even Judge Smith from examining some documents. They may include records detailing the presence of secret military units and equipment and information about sensitive law enforcement equipment, including the FBI's infrared video cameras, earlier government filings indicated. Monday's government pleading offered few new details concerning what has been surrendered to the court. Classified document It made no mention of a classified White House document described in earlier pleadings, which the president's lawyers had earlier suggested officials would withhold "until further notice." The Clinton administration said that document detailed a secret foreign policy briefing that included a passing comparison of the Branch Davidian standoff to the rebellion in Chechnya. The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the reference to Waco was declassified for submission to the court. The officials said the reference was "oblique" and did not come from a White House official. The officials added that White House records relating to the siege were not controversial. The Administration has long maintained that President Clinton played a minimal role in the incident. But records from other agencies hint of more White House involvement than previously acknowledged. Notes from the FBI's hostage rescue team indicate that its commander went to Washington to brief the White House along with two senior Army special forces commanders during the final days of the standoff. Justice and Defense Department officials have said the officers, veterans of the Army's secret anti-terrorist Delta Force unit, visited Waco and then briefed Attorney General Janet Reno about the FBI's plans for a tank-and-tear-gas assault on the compound. But notes found this fall at the hostage rescue team's headquarters in Quantico, Va., offered a different account. The notes, dated April 13, 1993, stated that the FBI's chief tactical commander and the Army officers were summoned to Washington to "brief White House - liaison Mr. Hubble [sic]," adding "Hubble want [sic] military expert's opinion of the operation." Webster Hubbell was then an assistant attorney general and chief liaison between the president and the attorney general's office. Other notes found at Quantico indicate that a formal plan for a tear-gas assault on the Branch Davidian compound was sent by fax to the White House in early March as FBI commanders sought a "green light" to take action against the sect. 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