-Caveat Lector- -----Original Message----- From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds >============================================================== > >English 101 won't survive the Internet as an exclusively human domain. In >"Machine Psychology" I give various reasons to think that an English >conversational program might have been tried out on the Internet already >especially on the current affairs/new types of lists. Are you sure I am not >a robot? >FWP. >http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology-EEL.htm > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Eskow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 9:51 PM >Subject: RE: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds > > >>============================================================== >> >> Earl, >> >>One thing doesn't change: the belief that each new technology will change >>everything. I've lived through education will be different because radio >>will bring Harvard and the Sorbonne to students in every small town in the >>world. Same for movies. Same for tv. And now it's the computer that will >>change everything. >> >>My hunch is that English 101, which has outlived every new teaching fad, >>every new technology, will survive the computer. >> >>In any event, I'm always troubled by what sounds like the notion that we >>have no control over our technologies, that they're bound to change >>everything whether we want them to or not. >> >>Question, Earl. >> >>Suppose it's obviously right that One Big University, a Microsoft of >>education, can do high quality teaching for the whole world, making it >>unnecessary for us to have 3500 accredited colleges in the US, or even 350. >>Or even 35. Would it be a good thing to save all that brick and mortar, and >>have all those teachers go into another line of work: taxi driving perhaps? >>Would you favor that kind of trend in your country? >> >>Do you agree there's a lot of nonsense spoken about the marvels of >>technology, as if radio and television and the telegraph and 35 mm slides >>really brought us out of the intellectual dark ages and into the education >>marvels of today: a world where children are taught reading and writing and >>numbers and geography and job skill by the audiovisual marvels of the new >>wondrous gadgets. Or are we saying that radio may have disappointed, and >>television didn't quite deliver on the prophesies, but the computer, now, >>the computer will really have everyone able to learn everything, and there >>will soon be no more illiteracy, and no more unemployment, and no more >>homelessness, because the computer will teach everyone, each one at his/her >>level, learning at his/her pace, >> >>etc., etc., etc. >> >>Ah me, Earl. Did someone say the more things change the more they stay the >>same? >> >>Learning faster is the funniest idea I've heard in a long time. Like if you >>computerize weight training people can get muscles faster. >> >>If speed of learning is really important, we really have to do something >>about my Windows crashing all the time: I spend more time rebooting my >>computer than I do learning something very fast. >> >>Cheers, Earl. >> >>Steve >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Earl Mardle >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 11/22/99 8:22 PM >>Subject: RE: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds >> >>Looks like we are back at the universal instruction set theory of >>distance education and I'm sure we've been here before. >> >>At 03:58 PM 22/11/99 -0700, Steve wrote: >>>============================================================== >>> >>>Skinner and his followers actually built teaching machines and there >>are >>>many programs that were developed for them, some still in use. The >>movement, >>>some of you will recall, was called "programmed instruction." >>> >>>What Oracle and Mike Milken seem to be saying is that the Internet and >>>software can indeed make Harvard, and the 107 community colleges of >>>California, and all the Texas community colleges except one, >>unnecessary. >>> >>> >>>Wait till the faculty now embracing distance learning finds out what >>Larry >>>Ellison is really planning to do to them. >>> >>>Who needs Harvard, or RSU, or 107 community colleges in California, >>when we >>>have the Internet Teaching Machine? >> >>I'm all in favour of Milken and Ellison pouring their gold into this >>kind of development. I'm sure the spin offs for any number of functions >>and capabilities will be astonishing and in the end they may end up >>teaching English 101 on the net, and correcting the papers. >> >>At which point they, and all of us will discover the enduring hole in >>this entire process of down sizing, rationalising, whatever you call it >>theory of economics. >> >>Business only has one kind of customer; people with incomes. >> >>We don't need teachers of woad application, Druidic instruction or >>manuscript copying of holy documents any more either. Are we worse off >>for that? Or are there more interesting things still to do on the >>planet. >> >>I may want desperately to teach Druidic lore, I might even get a few >>students, I'll just make a better living teaching Java or C++. Its a >>trade-off. I can get a view of the Himalayas from an aircraft or I can >>climb mount Everest without oxygen. Why would I do the latter if I can >>do the former? >> >>Big news. Tomorrow will be different. things we do now will be >>redundant, things we haven't heard of will be commonplace, like email. >>The only thing I am moderately sure of is that whatever we need to learn >>will take more skill, intelligence and brain power than whatever it >>replaces; and we'll need teachers, (any substitute word is acceptable >>here). >> >>There may even be a job for human teachers of English 101 in the local >>museum where kids can go to feel what it was like in the old days. >> >>Just because this is the way we do it now doesn't make it >>a) the best way of doing it >>b) the way it has to be done tomorrow >>c) beyond challenge and change. >> >>Its always been like that, the pace has just picked up a little. >> >>Cheers >> >> >>Earl Mardle >>KeyNet Consultancy >>"Using ICT in the Real World" >>http: www.kn.com.au <http://www.kn.com.au/> >> >>Secondary email >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>ICQ 51600656 >> >>29 River St >>Sydney >>NSW 2206 >>Australia >>Ph 612 9787 4527 >> >>============================================================== >>GLD is provided world-wide by Rogers State University to all >>interested in distance learning. 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