-Caveat Lector-
Seemed to me that Fell had inscriptions backing up just about everything he
said, including names of visitors in several languages, most common being
Ogom. At least my copy of America BC did. Granted, I have a later edition
with LOTS of photographs. There is lots of stuff on the Epigraphic web
site, too, pointing in the same direction.
I think it is possible to go too far the OTHER direction, and in a fervor of
desire to give the AmInd's a glorious past, ignore the evidence that it was
visitors here that built these curiosities.
AmPat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tatman, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] People in America early
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> I'll have to dig out my Barry Fell books (*America B.C.*,
> etc.), which I do
> not have readily available. If memory serves me, however,
> this is an example
> of the kind of racist argument I mean (and I am not accusing
> Fell of racism
> himself): the Welsh heroic tradition supposedly records the
> voyages of the
> medieval prince Madoc from North Wales to North America. As
> some students of
> Madoc interpret the story, Madoc landed on the Gulf Coast of
> Alabama and
> worked his way inland with a band of settlers, along the way
> building a fort
> "in archaic Welsh style" at Stone Mountain, Ga. They settled
> for a time in
> Kentucky, according to this hypothesis, then for unknown
> reasons moved on to
> the northwest, eventually intermarrying with and being absorbed by the
> Mandan tribe of the Dakotas, who were supposed to be
> blue-eyed blonds. This
> hypothesis was very popular during the Eighteenth Century,
> when virtually
> all pre-Columbian earthworks in Eastern North America were attributed
> variously to Egyptians, Romans, or Madoc's Welshmen, among many other
> (non-Native American) peoples. One of the assignments Thomas
> Jefferson gave
> to Lewis and Clark was to contact the Mandans and study their
> language, to
> see how much Welsh vocabulary had survived. Other examples of
> this kind of
> racially-oriented pseudo-archaeology include the speculation about the
> "Celtic" or "Viking" origins of the Mystery Hill earthworks
> in New Hampshire
> (which have been so extensively altered that any
> determination of their
> origin is probably impossible); the Kensington Runestone,
> almost certainly a
> fake; and mysterious stones with supposed "Punic" inscriptions on them
> turned up by a farmer's plow in Oklahoma and adduced as evidence of
> Carthaginian settlements in the New World. Virtually all of these
> "discoveries" have been made in the context of efforts to "prove" that
> Native Americans could not be the legitimate possessors of
> the land where
> the artifacts were found, because (obviously white) settlers
> had gotten
> there first.
>
> With this said, I recognize full well that there is *much*
> evidence for
> extensive pre-Columbian exploration and settlement by "non-Native
> Americans." In fact, this can be expanded worldwide; our
> human ancestors
> seem to have been inveterate roamers, forever wandering in search of
> whatever they could find, always following the horizon. This
> has meant that
> there is no such thing as a "pure" race, a "pure" culture, a "pure"
> language...anywhere, anywhen. No one, not the Smithsonian,
> the Hopis, the
> Maori, or the Dalai Lama, has anything approaching the truth about our
> race's past. Discoveries reported just in the last year, such
> as "Woodhenge"
> on the English North Sea coast, the "Miami Circle," and the
> recently-revealed evidence for routine cannibalism among at least some
> Neanderthal populations, have thrown a lot of accepted
> archaeological and
> historical dogma into confusion. There are mysteries enough
> on this planet
> to keep us busy until the turn of the Fourth Millennium
> without having to
> invent new ones!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anon Ymous [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:25 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] People in America early
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > > Even borderline researchers such as
> > > Barry Fell, for all their good intentions, often wind up using
> > arguments
> > > which originated with white racists.
> >
> > Could you please give more info on this?
> >
> > tanx
> >
> >
>
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