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Interviewer: There have been rumors and speculations that
Roswell, and what came from Roswell --the way we exploited
Roswell technology-- might not have been the very first time such
a thing happened. There have even been indications that the NAZIS
had done such a thing FIRST, that some of their extraordinary
technological developments may have come from a similar source.
PHILIP CORSO: Yes, true. I had German scientists on my
team. I discussed this with Oberth and Von Braun. (I was part
of Project Paperclip.) There WERE crashes in Germany. THEY
gathered material too. The Germans WERE working on it [in WWII],
but they didn't solve the propulsion system [problem]. They did
a lot of experiments on flying saucers. They had one that went
up 12,000 feet ...
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CNI NEWS INTERVIEWS COLONEL PHILIP CORSO
[From the moment he arrived in Roswell, New Mexico last
week, Colonel Philip Corso was in constant demand for press
interviews. Despite his advanced age, Corso was energetic, lucid
and very generous with his time. CNI News editor Michael
Lindemann was fortunate to be invited to privately interview the
Colonel in his hotel room on Saturday morning, July 5. Also
present were the Colonel's son, Philip Jr., and William Birnes,
co-author with Colonel Corso of the bombshell book, "The Day
After Roswell."
In the book, Corso says that a genuine alien spacecraft,
with bodies, was recovered near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. He
says he personally viewed one of the dead alien bodies. More
importantly, he says that during the early 1960s, he was
stationed at the Pentagon under the command of General Arthur
Trudeau, and was assigned the super-secret task of parceling
pieces of alien spacecraft wreckage out to various
defense-related companies who could back engineer the alien
material into useful human technology. From this program, Corso
says, sprang such strategically important developments as the
integrated circuit for computers, fiber optics, advanced night
vision technology and lasers.
Lindemann arrived at Corso's room as a previous interview
was concluding. The Colonel and Mr. Birnes were explaining how
Corso had arranged for the safe passage of 10,000 Jewish refugees
out of Rome to Palestine just after the end of World War II.
Lindemann picked up on this theme to start the CNI News
interview.]
ML: Not only are you a highly decorated military officer,
but it seems you've always been willing to be a bit of a maverick
when it comes to "doing the right thing," even if it makes some
other people uncomfortable, to the point where this latest
disclosure about Roswell seems essentially in character for you.
But this is a bigger disclosure, a bigger departure from the norm
than your previous actions, don't you think?
Corso: Well, some other things have been pretty important.
Like when I moved those 10,000 Jews, I thought nothing of it, but
people said what a big thing it was. Putting Rome back on its
feet was important. I don't think this is bigger than some of
those things. Even the looks on the families' faces in front of
Congress [when he testified about American POWs left in North
Korea], that was pretty important to those people. And this one
here, I think, fits in with all those others. Yes, it's
important, because like they say, it might have changed the
course of the world. Well, I have to give a lot of credit to
General Trudeau, who made it possible, and to the other people
who were with me. Maybe we changed the course of the world. The
thing that I've done now is going to affect the future. That's
why I bring the children in on it, the young ones. We're old now,
we're going to be moving on. But they're going to be here. Let
them know what happened. I think it's of great importance that
those children are going to read this and know what happened and
what it came from, and that it was true. It did happen. They
have to know what's involved, and what it's leading to. They're
the ones who will be involved in what it leads to. From that
point of view, it's the most important thing I ever did.
ML: Where do you think it leads? You allude in your book to
the possibility that maybe there's a hostile potential here.
Corso: When you're in the military, you always have to
figure on that hostile part. You can't disregard that. Our motto
was, "Just in case, we're going to be ready." What's it going to
be in the future? At R&D, we called it the dawn of a New Age,
maybe a new world. The world's not going to stop. Maybe this was
a seed that was sown to start a new world. Look what they did
with the [computer] chip -- in just a few years, how it blossomed
out into the supercomputer. I said to General Trudeau, "What are
we unleashing on the world, General? If this can integrate with
the brain, there's great danger." He said, "Yes, Phil, but the
people coming after us, we hope, will possibly understand and
take this into consideration. But maybe not in our lifetime." He
didn't see it in his lifetime. He died three years ago.
ML: Do we know how to build the kind of craft that they
found at Roswell?
Corso: I think that we will know. Where we were missing out
on a lot of this was in the propulsion and guidance systems. We
came to the conclusion years ago, and now it's starting to take
hold even among scientists, that the reason we missed out on this
was that the extraterrestrial himself was the guidance system. He
was part of the system. We never figured on that.
One day I was walking in the hall with General Trudeau, and
I turned to him and said, "General, I think that son of mine is a
little bit crazy. He says engines talk to him." The General
turned to me and said, "Phil, don't ever say that again. People
have certain relationships with engines, with solid matter, that
we don't understand. But it's there." See, this is all starting
to come forward now.
And it was uncanny that this book had to break when this
thing is happening here at Roswell. I never expected what I saw
last night, what I've seen here. [From the time he arrived in
Roswell, Colonel Corso was surrounded by press and people seeking
interviews.] Someone like me has always lived in the shadows. To
all at once see this happening around me, and I'm a focal point
-- I feel like I should be home sitting in my easy chair, not
here. And yet, last night [at the Friday evening banquet] I was
almost mobbed.
ML: Did you know that the American public was this hungry
for this information, and this ready to believe you?
Corso: Sure I knew. My nephew is a research director at
[inaudible] university, and I have letters the young man wrote to
me. He said, "Uncle Phil, please tell them to tell us the truth.
We won't pull our hair out or panic. We want to hear this." In
all of my interviews lately, I've been saying I'm going to prove
this to you people. My own experience: I commanded a battalion of
1500 men. Average age, nineteen and a half years old. Those boys
didn't panic and run. I told my exec[utive officer], my god,
we're leading babies into combat. They didn't panic. They stood
and fought some of the greatest armies the world has ever seen,
and defeated them. A lot of them died. But they didn't run, they
fought. So I say, this is the younger-age people -- they're not
going to panic. Let them know. They want to know. That Orson
Welles show [War of the Worlds, 1938] has thrown a lot of people
off. It's not going to be like that.
ML: Do you feel we are ready to know the truth on this?
Corso: We've been ready. A long time ago.
ML: Did you have to willfully break any personal oaths or
promises to the military or the country in order to do what
you've done?
Corso: No. The oath that I held was with the General. I held
that oath until he died, because he was an honorable man, an
honest man. I liked him. He was a great man. As far as being an
Army officer, I kept my oath for thirty-five years. I did not
violate any security, and I had all the clearances. I was the one
who used to stop people from violating security. I did not reveal
anything that's harmful or should be kept quiet.
ML: There have been rumors and speculations that Roswell,
and what came from Roswell -- the way we exploited Roswell
technology -- might not have been the very first time such a
thing happened. There have even been indications or speculations
that the Nazis had done such a thing, that some of their
extraordinary technological developments may have come from a
similar source. What do you think about that?
Corso: Yes. True. I had German scientists on my team. I
discussed this with them. I discussed this with Oberth, von
Braun. I was part of Project Paperclip with General Trudeau.
There's an example in the book. In the middle of the book there's
a photograph of Edward O'Connor, one of Truman's poker-playing
buddies at the White House --he was a Soviet expert-- and General
Trudeau, myself and Victor Fediay of the Library of Congress, who
spoke fluent Russian. Fediay was going to Russia. I gave him a
series of questions. I said, "Ask a KGB general these questions
[pertaining to UFOs]." So Victor comes back and says, "Phil, I
asked him the questions. You know what he said? He said, 'I know
what you want. But do you want me killed?'" Now, that's Russia.
Germany? Yes. There were crashes elsewhere, and they
gathered material too.
The Germans were working on it.
They didn't solve the propulsion system.
They did a lot of experiments on flying saucers. They had
one that went up 12,000 feet.
But where all, we and they, missed out was on the guidance
system. In R&D we began to realize that this being was part of
the guidance system, part of the apparatus himself, or itself,
because it had no sexual organs. This is where most missed out.
ML: Do you think, then, that if we are going to develop a
way of interstellar travel, we will have to develop a similar
relationship to our spacecraft?
Corso: Man can't travel in space today. Those clones were
created to travel in space, specifically. They can travel in
space. Our muscles, our bones, our brain, can't take space
travel, even today. We can't do it.
ML: We can do it to some extent.
Corso: Well, when they go to Mir, they stay up there two or
three months, and when they come off, they have to be carried
off. Their bones won't hold up. If they stayed a little longer,
they'll never be able to walk. But the big thing that is not
talked about is [that] the brain is affected up there.
ML: How is that?
Corso: Gravity, radiation -- it comes right through that
ship. Look at Senator [John] Glenn, he saw "fireflies" coming
through his capsule. They weren't fireflies, they were some kind
of electromagnetic thing that came through there. Those [alien]
beings are created specifically to travel in space.
ML: Speaking of Senator Glenn, my understanding is that he's
sort of ambivalent on the subject of UFOs. How would you
characterize it?
Corso: He told me exactly what he was. I met with Senator
Glenn. I was supposed to meet him for half an hour, and he kept
me for an hour and a half. During the course of the conversation,
we talked about UFOs, and he said, "Colonel, I'm an agnostic." I
said, "But you didn't say you don't believe," and he laughed.
That's his exact word to me -- he's agnostic.
Then we got into Project Horizon.
I had the whole project [document], 310 pages, and he wanted
it. I had to give it to him.
He was amazed when he saw that [in] 1959, long before he
went up in the capsule, we had all the plans made up to put a
military colony on the moon.
Defense killed it on us. They didn't like the Army, so they
took it away from us and killed it, and made NASA.
ML: Is it possible for any civilian to get their hands on
the Project Horizon report today? How do we find out about this?
Corso: It's unclassified. I was the declassifying officer.
There's 50 pages of it in [my] book. I wrote to the Army Corps of
Engineers historical division, and I told them where it was and
what it was, and they found it and sent me copies of it
immediately. The original was in color. Beautiful. I'd like to
get my hands on it. [Corso pages through Appendix One of his book
as he speaks.]
Look, there's a lunar lander. This was 1959.
The best brains in the world worked on this, all the
Germans, all von Braun's team, they worked on this.
I talked to a German in Huntsville, Alabama, a few months
ago, and he said, "I remember that. I worked on it."
This was an amazing document. And here's General Trudeau's
instructions that started it. Lately, my scientist friend at the
Institute of Advanced Studies in Texas [probably a reference to
Dr. Hal Puthoff] had a meeting with the top [scientists] at NASA,
and he threw Project Horizon on the table, and he says they were
shocked. They couldn't believe it. They never knew about it.
Defense killed it on us; and the CIA had a hand in killing it.
ML: Just the other day, the Air Force issued their latest
official explanation of what happened at Roswell. I'm sure you
must have had a few chuckles over it. How are you responding to
this? And how is the press treating you, now that you've made
your position so clear and now that the Air Force has said,
again, that it's all a bunch of baloney?
Corso: They're treating me better than I ever expected. I
expected criticism. As far as the Air Force, I fought alongside
them in Korea. I have a lot of friends in the Air Force, and I
will not criticize a sister service. But I will criticize their
superiors, the Secretary of the Air Force and so forth. It
amazes me and I cannot comprehend why they do this. They don't
have to do this. Why do they want themselves to look like fools?
Even the young kids are telling me, "Dummies? Dummies?" and then
they laugh. I can't comprehend why they put that out. What is in
their mind? If I'd have written something like that, General
Trudeau would have thrown me out of the top window of the
Pentagon.
ML: What about the problem with Senator Strom Thurmond's
foreword to your book? Simon and Schuster has issued a bland
apology, saying they're going to pull Thurmond's foreword out of
future printings of the book. What was your understanding with
the Senator?
Corso: I've known Strom Thurmond for almost a lifetime. He's
a very honest, sincere and courageous individual. We've alway
been close. I found out recently that his staff did it. I don't
think the old man knew it, and I think the old man will
eventually call me. We were too close for too many years. I sent
the original foreword for the other book [Thurmond had written
a foreword for a book titled "I Walked With Giants"] back to the
Senator, and I told him, "If you want to send me another
statement for this new book, that's fine. If you don't want to,
that's fine too." I discussed UFOs with him. I gave him a copy of
Project Horizon. About a week later, not only did I get the two
pages that are in the book, but I also got a note from him
authorizing Simon and Schuster to print it. Bill Birnes has all
that. He has the original foreword -- the one I sent back -- and
he has the new one.
ML: Bill Birnes told me when I arrived here today that he
was under the impression that Thurmond or perhaps his staff had
been pressured from higher up to back out of this. Can you say
anything about this?
[Colonel Corso's son, present during the whole interview,
made very visible hand signals to the Colonel at this point
indicating that the Colonel should not answer this question.]
Corso: I can't verify that one way or another.
ML: Forgive me, Colonel, if I ask Mr. Birnes to say
something about this. [Birnes was in the room embroiled in a
side conversation at this time.] Bill, the Colonel has just
declined to address the question whether or not Senator Thurmond
or his staff may have been pressured from higher up. You
indicated that he might have been. Can you explain?
Bill Birnes: This is just my understanding of it from
stories I heard. The staff really wasn't aware of the agreement
that Colonel Corso and the Senator had. It was an agreement
between two friends, more than two business associates.
The staff went ballistic when they found out. In other
words, "How dare you do something and not consult your staff
about what you're writing?" So the staff's immediate preliminary
reaction was, "Oh no, this was the foreword for the book 'I
Walked With Giants.'" What the staff didn't know was that Colonel
Corso had sent that first foreword back to the Senator and got a
new foreword in return. I have copies of both. So, obviously,
they weren't in the loop. When they were told that this is a new
foreword the Senator wrote, the story immediately changed. "Well,
we weren't told, and we can't do this."
Finally, one of the staff members said, "Don't you
understand that the Senator cannot be on a book cover, writing a
foreword, for a book that says the United States government
utilized alien technology to win the Cold War? Don't you realize
this man is fourth in line to succeed the president? Don't you
know this man is chairman of the Armed Services Committee? NO, it
can't be."
So they went to Simon and Schuster and said, "You have to
pull the cover. Take it off the shelves, get the foreword out,
write a new cover."
Simon and Schuster said absolutely not.
Then they made it very clear to Simon and Schuster, saying,
"You're part of a large conglomerate. Your large conglomerate has
to deal with government regulatory bodies. [According to Birnes,
Simon and Schuster is owned by Paramount, which in turn is owned
by Viacom.] Do you really want to be in this position? Viacom
goes before the FCC. You have a constituency of stockholders that
you have to respond to.
ML: You're suggesting political blackmail.
BB: It's absolutely political blackmail.
ML: Can you verify that this is what was going on?
BB: I have to say that this is my understanding of what was
going on because of confidential discussions I had with legal
[personnel] at Simon and Schuster, and from statements that the
staff members made to the Corso family with respect to the
pressure that was being put on them to get this foreword out of
the book. What I do know for a fact is that they demanded that
Simon and Schuster pull the book off the shelves. Simon and
Schuster flatly refused and said they had a signed release. Then
[the Senator's staff] came back and said, "As a matter of
courtesy, if we say that the Senator really wasn't clear on the
nature of the book..." and Simon and Schuster said, "Well, if
it's a matter of courtesy, then we can certainly understand that
in the heat of material passing back and forth, misunderstandings
can happen." So, that was the basic agreement.
ML: So, once they got the niceties of language straightened
out, the agreement was that the foreword would be pulled from
future printings of the book?
BB: Yes, exactly. But it will remain as it is, with this
cover, for this printing.
ML: Cutting to other news, there was a story that broke here
yesterday morning [Friday, July 4] about an object that had been
tested by several scientists. Its content was almost entirely
pure silicon, with small traces of metals such as germanium and
zinc. This sounds suspiciously like some kind of solid state
artifact, and it showed such highly anomalous isotopic ratios
that a scientist was willing to say on the record that it had the
appearance of extraterrestrial manufacture. Can this be compared
with anything you saw at the Pentagon, Colonel?
Corso: I don't know anything about it. It doesn't even sound
similar to me.
ML: According to your book, you spent most of your time
dealing with the artifacts and debris of the Roswell incident,
but what about the aliens involved, and more especially, what
about the alien situation today? What do you think is the nature
of the alien presence, if any, on earth today?
Corso: From my knowledge, at the moment, I don't know of any
alien presence on earth. There are still reports of flying
saucers, of course, but I don't know of any report of a body, or
anyone who has seen [an alien] lately.
ML: What do you say about people such as abductees who claim
to be actually seeing these creatures?
Corso: My reports were thirty-five years ago. If there's
anything now, I'm not aware of it. I know just what I saw in
those days, and the truth like I lived it. If there's any aliens
now, I'd like to see them. I don't know where they are. I'd like
to see if they compare with the ones that I saw.
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