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Stich and . . .
an interview 12/99
by R. A. Kris Millegan
Rodney Stich has been at the forefront of an ever increasing vocal outpouring
of information and revelations about US Federal Government abuses of power.
His books have documented corruption, narcotics/arms trafficking and much
more. Rodney is a trained Federal investigator with a strong background in
Aviation. Rodney was a Naval aviator in WW II and spent many years as a
commercial pilot. He served as an air operations inspector for the FAA
uncovering and exposing a "culture of air safety and criminal violations that
caused and made possible a series of fatal airline crashes."
Rodney then researched and wrote the book, "Unfriendly Skies." What Rodney
had to say was so threatening that another book was soon released under the
same title with much hoopla. Rodney undaunted went to the airwaves and
appeared on talk-radio all across the country. One day someone asked him if
he was worried�because of the things he was saying about government
corruption. Rodney told them, no he was financially all-right and he had the
time to spend and he wasn�t going to quit. Soon after those remarks, Mr.
Stich was declared still married to an ex-wife, whom he had already divorced
in several states and his real estate holdings were taken over by the courts
and Rodney was taken on a wild ride courtesy of the US government. He lost a
fortune, $10 million dollars in holdings�$6 million free and clear. And get
this, after taking the corrupt officials to court and thereby forcing them to
respond to his well-documented briefs in court.�Rodney was sent to federal
jail for petitioning the US government.�No jury trial, slam-bam, put him on
the travel bus, keep moving him around. But he meets other people in his
prison journeys that confirm and tell him more. Of course the mainstream
media doesn�t say a word. In Rodney�s second Book Defrauding America he tells
this amazing story in frank detail. He also tells the story of corruption, of
our elected and appointed officials use their governmental offices for many
nefarious schemes. He shows the collusion of high government and military
personnel in the arms and narcotic smuggling, assassination and use of the
Department of Justice personnel to block, corrupt and obstruct justice.
Rodney�s Third Book Drugging of America is over 500 pages of massive detail
of the methods, the people involved in the "Government�s Fraudulent
War-On-Drugs." He presents inside views from over three dozen current and
former government employees. The story they tell is shocking! Money, drugs,
arms, the mafia, the CIA, FBI, DEA they are all there but not in same quite
the way our government would have us believe. All US citizens should utter a
prayer of thanks for Rodney Stich and his fine work. If there were a few more
like Rodney, we all might not be in such a fix today.
http://www.druggingamerica.com/
http://www.defraudingamerica.com/
http://www.unfriendlyskies.com/
http://www.ciadrugs.com/
Drugging America;
Defrauding America;
Unfriendly Skies, by Rodney Stich
Check 'em out . . . Buy & Read the books the mainstream won't publish . . .
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RS�Good morning
KM�Good morning, Rodney, How are you
RS�Not too bad
KM�Well, good, good, I tell ya know life is interesting, Rodney, you know one
thing I was thinking about here was�because mostly this is for people that
have been looking into this situation for awhile� I want to ask you about is
mostly things that people are confused about. There are lots of different
stories out there�so there is confusion and so the thing I am thinking about
here is if I can ask some questions that would help us understand what is
going on because that�s� because understanding what�s going on�once you
understand something it always helps you think about it much better.
RS�Ah ah
KM� I wanted to talk ask some about was about Mr. Russbaucher� I don�t know
if I am saying that name right there.
RS�That�s pretty close
KM�Because of the confusion like I say, and me being just - let�s say an
internet and book investigator, reading�and what not�not doing interviews
and such. That is how many people are. We are just gathering information. We
aren�t reporters and when we look at it from that standpoint and the
information that we have, there is a lot of differing information about
Russbaucher including the story that there are one, two even three different
Russbaucher�s ?
RS�I have to keep my feet on the ground and I am not a fiction writer or a
wild imaginator. I don�t have a wild imagination. Let me put it that way.When
I have talked to Russbaucher for over a thousand hours and longer I know that
I am talking to Gunther Russbaucher. I don�t believe in space aliens and
things like that nor do I believe in those stories.
KM�OK, How did you meet Russbaucher?
RS�Well, Now we are getting into a more complex subject. Let me also mention
to the average reader Russbaucher isn�t not going to mean anything to the
average person. That if you want to help the average person understand
things. Going into one of my many sources, I don�t think will do it. . Would
be my guess, but -- I�ll be glad to do it.
KM�I am looking for people that - for answers for people that have been
looking into it that get to a certain point and hear these multiple stories
and then -- Who do I believe? You know,
RS�Well, let me say first of all, I�ve been actively involved in
investigating work for the last forty years, starting as a federal
investigator so I am not someone who just got into this recently and --- I
have a lot of contacts. I have a lot of background information. Russbaucher
is one of many of my sources, who have been confirmed by many of my other
people with no connection to him. Russbaucher, I have a lot of confidence
in. And I talk to him about twice a week.
KM�Was he a military employee?
RS�Let me see, if my memory is correct he started out in the military and
then was sheep-dipped into various intelligence agencies, like the ONI and
CIA.
KM�OK, he was a German national is that correct? Or Austrian?
RS�He was born . . .let me think . . your are going back to an awful lot of
small stuff that I have to think about now.
I wish you would stick to the heavier stuff�that would be of some value to
the readers. Because this going to be interesting to someone who wants to
make a study on Russbaucher per se, but it is not going to them a bit of
good on understanding all of this.
KM�I was just trying to find out who he was working for, when he did the
things he says he did .
RS�Well he said he was ONI and CIA.
KM�Have Russbaucher and Datum met?
RS�No I am quite sure that they have not
KM�As far as Russbaucher�s basic involvement, he is basically just been a
pilot, is that how you would characterize his participation?
RS�No, I wouldn�t. I would not say that is correct at all. He was involved
in all types of undercover activity. Started in Europe with Operation Gladdio
and he was . . I feel he was kind of mid-level. He was involved in all types
of undercover activities. He knew about the drug trafficking. He wasn�t
directly involved in it. But he helped set up or he was in position to have
knowledge of what was going on. He was involved in Vietnam he was involved in
Nicaragua. He was involved in European operations.
KM�Ok
RS�Now one person who can give you more of personal information on him would
be his former wife Rayelan Allen. A lot of these little personal
things�while he may have told me over a period of years�I did not try and
catalog those in my mind. I am looking for the bigger picture but Rayelan
Allen would know more about the little details about him.
KM�Right, now, she talks about the factions fighting and what not.
RS�Yes, she was�in some ways she has a good grasp of some of those things I
mean she remembers some of the things more than I would remember�that I
didn�t feel my readers would find that significant. But someone who wants to
zero in on Russbaucher more�his wife would be the one to talk to there.
I am focusing more on what the fellow, out there in the street�all over the
country�is going to remember and the personal things on one of my many
sources when I am already having trouble keeping the books in limits would
not be appropriate for me to put in the book if I was writing just about
Russbaucher �which would be a good story in itself�then I would go into those
details
KM�Ok, can we talk a little about Tyree right now? Because there seems to be
some questions happening about him right now.
RS�I have been meaning to find out the status of his law suit. I am assuming
it will be dismissed. Having had lots of experience with the courts. Have you
checked with his attorney on the the status of it?
KM�No I haven�t, I�ll have to admit I don�t even know who his attorney is.
Can you tell me who his attorney is?
RS�There was a fellow in Massachusetts. I�d have to look it up but there was
a lawsuit filed to try and get him out but when you go into all these other
areas�a judge is gonna say, hey�this is not relevant. It may be, but it is
not legally. That is the excuse they are gonna give.
There just going to say let�s just stick to the immediate issues. It was a
very, very long brief and I was surprised the attorney did that because again
judges don�t want to hear about those things.
KM�It seems to be relevant and . .
RS�Not legally. I know what they do again, I�ve been going all the way up to
the Supreme Court with professional briefs for the last�ever since 1978. So I
have a little idea more than the guy that�s just popping his head up to the
legal field
KM�Right your Defrauding America basically reads like a brief and ya know you
make the reader aware of the laws that are being broken and everyone�s duty
to talk about that.. Now you're are also familiar with Barbara Honneger
work?, October Surprise book?
RS�Well I know of her work and think that she did a good initial job of
it�she was led�Rae Allen allegedly worked with her on compiling some of the
papers
KM�Lets get into the drug trafficking and the overall view. When you have all
of these army officers and operational capabilities that are using military
assets. How do you feel they are getting away with this? Are they giving
these people illegal orders or . .
RS�Well, I think that would be somewhat of a complex answer�let me see how I
can respond�based upon what many a people have told me over the years. One of
the ways to get away with it, is anybody that tries and blow the whistle
inside, the Justice Department goes after them. They can usually fabricate
some type of charges and the Justice Department cooperates and the judges
cooperate and the poor guy ends up in prison. That�s one of the ways. Another
way you got the cover-up by members of congress; you got cover up by much of
the media in which you have CIA assets throughout the media. You have some of
the media that does not wish to be ridiculed by bringing these things out and
so often when somebody does come out with part of it. Like the CIA-drug
trafficking as described in the San Jose Mercury, which is an outsider
looking in. Eventually the paper gets ridiculed and you've got members of
congress who can actually be blackballed or false charges filed against them
so they won�t speak out, they been covering up for decades and let see
federal judges have been made aware of these criminal activities�I have done
that using legal brief�and they cover-up. The complicity against the American
people in my opinion in these crimes involves all kinds of people and this is
one reason I think this is going to be very very difficult to ever expose .
KM�Now do you think that these people are compromised in some way , do they
act in this conspiracy actively, passively�with regret or . . .
RS�There are some of the people who at first impression is�hey, I am working
for the CIA or some other government agency�this must be for benefit of the
country. And then they find out later�this isn�t what it seems to be�but they
can�t do anything about it. Those few who have which I describe in my book
usually suffer serious retaliation. Some of them their lives are destroyed.
Sometimes they get killed
KM�Now in looking at Defrauding America, you talk about the Department of
Justice. Could we say that there is a group within the DOJ�that there are
bureaucrats, that have been there for awhile�that basically help the
conspiracy do its business and do intimidation from the DOJ?
RS�Well, let see I always hate to use the word conspiracy, but it is a
culture I feel within the DOJ that�s been existing for decades and don�t
forget that they are attorneys and those that have worked with attorneys for
years know that that is probably one of the most disreputable professions you
can find. The culture in the DOJ for years is cover-up and I document it
when it comes to high level government activity, government corruption what
have you.
KM�Do you think that these people are benefiting beyond just employment. Do
you think that there are payments under the table to these people in cash?
RS�Now in some cases that would be, but also they get favored positions in
government or an industry, so there are many, many benefits to people that
play the game and of course there are terrible consequences to those who try
to obstruct the game.
KM�What type of credibility do you attach to the program in the Tyree papers
that talk about them targeted Senators and what not for blackmail�so then
they can control those people?
RS�I would say that there is no question about that. Probably that is one of
the reasons that I feel that many members of congress who�those few who do
have some character, sense of responsibility�it keeps them quiet for fear of
suffering retaliation. I don�t question that.
KM�And this program was basically using military personnel for blackmail and
extortion.
RS�Now let me correct what I said a minute ago, this wasn�t exactly under
Operation Orwell�it is simply the culture of US politics�but the Orwell deal
was simply one small segment of a widespread culture in the US. If you don�t
play ball�you are going to suffer the consequences. I first learned that when
I was in the FAA and the corruption I found and so when I say when you are
not a player on the team�I don�t intend to get on that team, anyway
KM�When I look at operations that are run by the government�I mean you have
intel ops that are run by certain rules and then you have military ops that
are ran by certain rules. Where you have all of these people working, people
signing off and what not. It seems to me that there almost has to be
somewhere in the bowls of the government�under the aegis of national
security�they have actually given these people "legitimate" authority to run
these drugs. and I just wonder if you think if there is any of that or if it
just completely . . .
RS�When you say legitimate authority, I do not think anyone has the power to
authorize it, they�re doing it, I mean they feel they have the power to
engage in criminal acts or and I am sure they would be subversive acts of
this nature. They�re doing but I do not think they have the authority.
KM�I am just trying to figure out how they are getting these units,
operational units that are of governmental agencies�to make them do what they
want them to do.
RS�Well here we are going into a little higher level that I wouldn�t mind
understanding that myself. And I�ve asked. All the people I asked where does
the money go? Well as you know things are so compartmentalized, even though
people like Russbaucher were in many different areas, so he�s not as
compartmentalized as some of them. But even they say�well, it is their
impression�that the money is hidden overseas and then it comes back in
various forms for investment, I don�t know if that answers your question, I
feel I am not answer your question.
KM�Well, no but it helps,
RS�But in other words, the people I talk to just don�t know
KM�And we are talking staggering amounts of money that some of these
operations are generating
RS�Oh Yes
KM�For years
RS�I�d like to be able to understand what�s behind all this but it is so
overwhelming to have so many people, so many agencies implicated in these�and
again these are criminal acts, subversive activities against American people.
How can you get that many people, unless it is just a culture that is so
rampant that there is really no conspiracy behind it�but I sometimes wonder
if there is . I mean this is horrendous and this is something that I slowly
came to the realization after many many years of fighting these bastards.
KM�Let me ask just a couple questions about a couple of other things that are
out there I don�t believe they are covered in your books. Are you aware of
Charles Hayes and that whole corruption/money story?
RS�Chuck Hayes�I�ve talked to him, I�ve talked to his ex- wife, I talked to
his girlfriend for many years�the only thing I know about Chuck Hayes is
anytime he gave me any information it was so ludicrous�I mean he was�I�d be
ashamed to have give anybody such lousy, incorrect information, I remember
how he once told me he once was flying at DC-4 while refueling a SR-71. Well
I�ve flown DC-4, I been captain on DC-4 for many years and the only that you
could get a DC-4 fast enough to where it could refuel a SR-71 would be to
start at high altitude and push the nose down toward the ground. And this is
the type of crap I was getting from him�so, I don�t�if some of the other
stuff he says is true. I don�t know. All I know is what he told me was a lot
of baloney and his wife of many years didn't put much confidence in him. But
it is possible he does know. But one thing I feel if he really discovered
like money transfers why didn�t he print something out to where somebody can
see it.
�You know what I mean?�
KM�Yes, that�s one reason why I am asking these questions is because one
thing is that folks have a hard time understanding who has credibility and
who doesn�t. Now may I ask you about Gene Wheaton? Have you had much
discussion with Gene Wheaton?
RS�Now I have talked to him a few times, I won�t say extensively but I would
at this stage. I would have confidence about some of the things that he
investigated, The DC-8 crash at Gander , I �ve flown into Gander many times
in planes when I was captain, I�ve flown a DC-8. My thinking would be that he
is credible.
KM�Have you read Compromised by Terry Reed and John Cummings
RS�Yes
KM�What do you think of that book?
RS�Well I think that what he was saying in the book I don�t have any reason
to question him there. Some of the things that people have told me since then
about what he has told them i question and they question but what he has in
the book i wouldn�t question at all
KM�Have you had any contact with Bear Bottoms? Who was Barry Seals brother in
law.
RS�No, I used to see his email on the net. I haven�t seen any in that last
year or so but I used to see a lot of his email. It seemed to me that he was
involved in some type of disinformation�at least that was my thinking�but I
would not be an expert in making that opinion of him.
KM�That�s one thing that I have been trying to study is the disinformation�it
seems that people wouldn�t do this on their own�that disinformation would be
part of a campaign to . . .
RS�I think the main thing to say there is that I didn�t pay any attention to
all. The message it seems to me�whenever I would see them �is two people
arguing back and forth and I didn�t want to get involved in that. Just like
on the flight,TWA800, there�s people arguing back and forth many of them that
don�t know the difference between a clock and an altimeter on a plane�so I
just shut that out.
KM�One other subject that is kind of in the background on a lot of things is
gold. Sterling Seagrave has been doing a bunch of research on Yamato�s
gold�the gold Japan got together and stashed in the Philippines. Landsdale
supposedly found some and Singlaub and others have been involved in that
search for that gold.
RS�Gold is one of the areas that I have stayed away from. You know what I am
trying to do�we have a public out there that�s ignorant about these things. I
am trying to inform the with information to motivate them�to get outraged and
do something about it. Talking about gold won�t get then outraged. So I have
to talk about things that are inflicting harm upon them. That is what I try
and stick to.
KM�Well, lets talk about the heroin on the streets of America. There is tons
of heroin on street corners of America.
RS�Well, we must thank all the consumers for that.
KM�I think it is more than just consumers . . .
RS�I�m not putting all the blame on consumers, But I am saying anyone that
consumes�now I don�t feel we should have criminal statues, criminal
punishments for users. I feel that and there is should be difference. So I am
definitely against this outrageous, arrogant war on drugs, but I still blame
the consumers�but I do not think they should be criminalized for it
KM�Well, I was a teenager in the sixties and am a musician so I have seen it
all and I truly think that the prohibition is just another side, it creates
the blackmarket. If these things were regulated�it is easy now for a teenager
now to get heroin and marijuana than alcohol.
RS�As you know I feel, my book Drugging America, with all the insiders
contributing it shows how the government is bringing tons of drugs into the
US I feel if this was recognized and properly pursued it could bring about a
repeal of the outrageous sentences given to drug users and also the misuse of
the conspiracy and forfeiture laws. I am against all of those things for I
feel the public is being taken.
KM�Do you think this done just for money or is there a social reason why
they�re bring these drugs in?
RS�When you see all of the things being done against the American people
its�I�ve said already�that it appears if it not planned it certainly is
working out that way. That it is destroying the moral and financial fiber of
the USA. The national security is being undermined by all these various
criminal activities that are being perpetuated�that has the involvement of so
many people either directly or through cover-up
KM�As far as the DOJ
RS�Which is badly misnamed
KM�Absolutely, there are some people that have said�when Clinton came in I
believe he fired all the US attorneys . .
RS�Never been done before
KM�But then if you look at the basic bureaucracy of the DOJ there was very
little change
RS�The culture hasn�t changed. It is still just as corrupt I am not saying
all US attorney are corrupt�he just simply put in people that he could then
control. And also that stopped a lot of the criminal prosecutions that were
in the mill which probably included criminal prosecutions in Arkansas.
KM�One last question. Do you think and Bill Clinton and George Bush are at
odds? Are they partners or is there some sort of odd relationship?
RS�I don�t know if I or anyone else would know. I would not be an expert in
that area. Their philosophies�let see I always said Bush we know was
involved and he knew about the drug trafficking going on which is of course a
very serious affair but nevertheless he certainly has more finesse than
Clinton. Who is extremely crude. I would rather if some one is going to be a
crook, that he have a little more finesse than the hamburgler MacDonald
form that Clinton has. i do eat McDonald's hamburgers though.
KM�Is there anything else?
RS�Check out my web sites.
http://www.druggingamerica.com/
http://www.defraudingamerica.com/
http://www.unfriendlyskies.com/
http://www.ciadrugs.com/
KM�Thank-you. and God bless.
RS�I could use some of his help.
KM�We�ll keep you in our prayers.
RS�Thanks again and your welcome.
KM�Bye bye
RS�Bye.
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