Dear Brigade, the following is from Free Republic's posting of Jude Wanniski's column, comments follow. GO PAT GO!! Linda ----------------- FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum" Where Nazis Come From Editor's note: WorldNetDaily is honored to welcome Jude Wanniski as a weekly commentator. Wanniski is a former associate editor of The Wall Street Journal, political economist, and author of "The Way the World Works" -- the book that helped launch the Ronald Reagan supply-side boom. Each Wednesday he'll give WND an exclusive on one of his famous "Memos on the Margin" -- analysis and advice directed to his many contacts within the world of government and economics. WorldNetDaily founder and CEO Joseph Farah says, "Jude Wanniski is a legend -- one of the great thinkers of our time. His 'The Way the World Works' was a classic of the 1980s and he hasn't lost a beat since. It is exciting to have one of my personal heroes joining the WorldNetDaily team of commentators." Memo: To Website Fans, Browsers & Clients From: Jude Wanniski Re: Yin and Yang in Old Vienna A few years ago, I got into trouble when a second-rate reporter for the National Journal quoted me as saying that our Constitution was designed to force debate toward the center, away from the extremes: "Without a Democratic Party to pull it toward the center, at the extreme the Republican Party would move toward fascism." The reporter did not include the second part of my remark, that "Without the Republican Party to pull it toward the center, at the extreme the Democratic Party would move toward communism." The NJ quote circulated among my friends in the GOP, and it took considerable effort to explain the context of my observation and its correctness. The incident came to mind last week when I read of the controversy in Austria, where the conservative People's Party arranged a ruling coalition with the J�rg Haidar's "far-right" Freedom Party, which recently accounted for 26 percent of the vote in the national elections. Because Haidar has said some positive things about the economy of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, and because he represents the interests of the Austrian nation as Europe federates and globalizes, the political leaders of the other European communities are behaving as if Adolf Hitler is back in town. It does not seem to matter that other respected Austrian political leaders are vouching for Haidar, insisting he ain't no Adolf. Official protests immediately surfaced in the major capitals of Europe, the Israeli Ambassador was withdrawn, and our secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, threatened all kinds of unspecified retribution if she spotted a misstep or a goosestep. The outrage moderated here as soon as The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed piece by Jacob Heilbrunn, "The EU, Not Haider, Threatens Austrian Democracy." I recommend you read the piece in its entirety, but Heilbrunn argues that Haidar may seem "an unpleasant phenomenon, but the end of the Cold War has opened up the political boundaries in Europe. For decades the right was artificially suppressed, while conservatives in countries like Austria and Germany were interested in conserving only their own power. Now, a new generation of populists is shaking up the Continent." What Heilbrunn means when he says "the right was artificially suppressed" is that the political establishment smothered legitimate interests -- views that should have been heard, acted upon and resolved in democratic fashion. The nation became "unbalanced," a problem that would become more serious if there was no democratic mechanism to give Haidar and his Freedom Party the critical mass to form a legitimate ruling coalition, with a dominant, more moderate party. The central thrust of Heilbrunn's analysis is that the established elites had not only monopolized the levers of economic power to benefit themselves at the expense of ordinary Austrians. The elites had also allowed the loose ends of the European Union to be tied up by an extraordinary flow of immigrants -- 400,000 in a country of eight million in only 10 years. If immigration were to continue at this pace, the cultural core of the nation would be subsumed. Those who prefer to slow the process are now in a position to do so. It is, of course, exactly the populist movement that Pat Buchanan has been representing in the United States -- a position seen as "far right," with Buchanan being labeled a Hitler for taking this "nativist" or "nationalist" stance. Ancient Taoist philosophers understood this imbalance within a political unit, an institution or an entire people as the disharmony of yin and yang -- with yin representing the feminine, the dark, and the negative, the yang representing the masculine, the light, and the positive. In a family, the mother represents security, the status quo, an aversion to risk-taking; the father represents action, change, a willingness to take chances for the common good. When husband and wife discuss problems and priorities, there is harmony, a balancing of risk-taking and security. When the security-conscious mother suppresses legitimate risk-taking and change in favor of the status quo, the family will fall further and further behind. If the husband gambles recklessly with the family's resources, the family will also fail. This is where Nazism came from in the 1920's and 1930's. Germany's vital organs were suppressed by the Versailles Treaty, which kept the nation impoverished. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which ushered in the Great Depression, completely sank German aspirations for economic recovery and brought in Hitler and the Nazis, and Hitler's finance minister, Hjalmar Schacht. Haidar is, of course, correct in noting that Germany's economy soon flourished under Schacht's guiding hand -- a point often made by old fashioned liberal Keynesians such as John Kenneth Galbraith. When the man in the house is locked in for this long and to this degree, when he finally breaks out the sight is not pleasant to behold. My sympathies are with Haidar, whom I've never met, and with Pat Buchanan, whom I've known for 30 years. Here, we watch both political parties serving the same elite establishment. Whether Gore or McCain or Bradley or Bush, there will be policies of economic globalization that make the rich richer and warehouse the people at the bottom in federal, state and local prisons. If the other nations around the world don't like our behavior, we will punish them severely. That impulse comes from the yin in our national family, the sense in the fortress at the top of the mountain that everything is okay and let's keep it that way. Buchanan and Haidar represent the suppressed forces of yang, the pitchfork peasants at the bottom of mountains everywhere. They will concede they may be a little better off than they were, in terms of calories, but things are still not that great and in many intangible ways, the social fabric is still fraying. Trying to suppress the peaceful, patriotic Pitchfork Populists -- by calling them Nazis and Hitlers -- only makes matters worse. At the extreme, the Nazis do finally show up. Jude Wanniski is author of the political-economic classic, The Way the World Works. His firm, Polyconomics, Inc. has achieved international recognition for its accurate forecasts and particularly singular insight. His daily memos and weekly supply-side lessons can be found at www.polyconomics.com. His personal perspective of the 1996 election cycle, The Last Race of the Twentieth Century was published in 1998. � 1999 Jude Wanniski Comments from Free Republic ------------------------------------------- Here we have a respected economist who "helped launch the Ronald Reagan supply side boom" defending Pat Buchanan, whom he has known for 30 years on both his stands on immigration and of sovereignty. As you will note- while defending Buchanan, he states with clarity that which some of us have already known for some time; "Here, we watch both political parties serving the same elite establishment. Whether Gore or McCain or Bradley or Bush, there will be policies of economic globalization that make the rich richer and warehouse the people at the bottom in federal, state and local prisons." You "Free Traders" constantly bash Buchanan as a xenophope who's policies regarding these issues will be the destruction of America citing some economist or another. Well here you go- a respected economist and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal who chooses with his debut effort on WorldNetDaily to come to the defense of Pat Buchanan and dispell the fear mongering and propaganda regarding his policies with a persuasive and coherent argument. I cant wait to see what fault you globalists will invent to try to discredit Wanniski with. Good luck... 1 Posted on 02/09/2000 00:52:14 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi The Clintonistas legacy is supported by the senate democrats well. Been somewhat into politics for 45 years, and used to support crats. When Kruschev told Kennedy he would win the war through our schools 1963, 1965 Johnson initiated the elementary and secondary education act, Carter the Department of education, soon the initiative was functioning. When the socialists won, down came the Berlin wall, NATO expanded power, the Repubilicans became the republicrats as they took the liberal position of the former democrats that had gone far left. Now we are in need of a 2nd party, as the republicrats have evolved into the party in control, which is a mix of few conservative, mostly centrist liberals and a few socialists, (the bureaucratic blobb with two heads). There are a few very good Americans in congress but they are losing power. We will vote 2nd party. 2 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:00:48 PST by mbb bill [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi, aka Good catch. (Though IMHO I think his Smoot-Hawley analysis is a tad simplistic). Waiting for the self-styled economic experts to launch their flames. And for those who disagree to raise legitimate criticism. 3 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:03:35 PST by Campion Moore Boru [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Excellent article! 4 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:07:41 PST by AAPATRIOT [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi I saw nothing to disagree with! Globalism Watch 5 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:09:57 PST by GeronL [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi As far as yin and yang go (I was a Taoist once, now a Catholic taoist) notice the femininity of the current regime, Clinton in particular. His attitude toward everyone is feminine (very unattractively), with rape and seduction added to persuade himself he is a man. Hitler was a catamite according to good sources, and shows similar flaws. 6 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:19:09 PST by Iris7 [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: mbb bill You don't think for a minute that the Republican Party would love to espouse the real agenda and address real issues with true conservative principles? They can't! The 4th estate would make mince meat out of each and everyone of them, and conservatives would end up with a small Minority up there. It's about keeping power, and advancing the agenda incrementally. Those of you who want it all, right now, vote 3rd or 4th or 5th party. It's called shooting yourself in the foot. 7 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:29:26 PST by piper1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: mbb bill I second your sentiments mbb bill. 8 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:29:53 PST by Ron H. [ Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Superb! Everyone should read this once a month and send it to their friends and foe alike. 9 Posted on 02/09/2000 01:38:26 PST by Rudder [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Bush and Hillary say vote for me! "I'm the entitlement vote." Do not vote for Pat he is a serf and has a peasant army. Entitlement vote rules! Heil the NWO! 10 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:04:06 PST by B_Harcumn [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: B_Harcumn Hillary says vote for me Hey B_Harcumn it seems that your boy McCain and Hillary probably talked about strategy when McCain attended Hillary's self-aggrandizing New Years Eve party last month. 11 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:28:17 PST by Dane [ Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: piper1 "You don't think for a minute that the Republican Party would love to espouse the real agenda and address real issues with true conservative principles? They can't! It's about keeping power, and advancing the agenda incrementally. Those of you who want it all, right now, vote 3rd or 4th or 5th party. It's called shooting yourself in the foot." No- it's about playing one side off the other (R & D) while the Elite are in complete agreement as to where this country should continue going. There's an agenda allright, but one to which you are blissfully unaware of. Just look at Klinton... he's so damaged by now since people realize what he stands for that he has been a lame duck for some time now. To his controllers- this is unacceptable. He has served his purpose but now must make way for a new face. A face such as Bush the younger that will give the disgruntled masses hope that finally we will turn this country around and head in the right direction. In four or eight years once the people realize that he is no different than Clinton and is damaging this country in the name of Socialist Globalism- we will be ready for another change and the cycle will begin anew. The faces may change but the policies remain the same. The sooner you accept this fact the better off you will be- If you need an illustration of this just look at the last 40 years of politics... Kennedy/Johnson- Democrat Nixon/Ford- Republican Carter- Democrat Reagan/Bush- Republican Clinton- Democrat G.W. Bush- Republican (?) See a pattern there???? 12 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:32:25 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Dane "Hey B_Harcumn it seems that your boy McCain and Hillary probably talked about strategy when McCain attended Hillary's self-aggrandizing New Years Eve party last month." I realize that to obfuscate the debate is inherent in your nature, but suppose you at least try sticking to the topic of the thread. 13 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:39:31 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi A very perceptive article, and one that argues something I have been arguing for years. People who mistake Pat for "Hitler" don't seem to realize that "Hitlers" come about when the system gets out of whack. Populism, nationalism, and Buchananism are healthy parts of the body politic. If the opposition, in its ignorance, suppresses them, they create the Hitlers that come later. Well done! Post more of this nature! 14 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:39:39 PST by founder fan [ Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Yes, he was saying that the balance of powers in the world, when not offset by opposing ideologies, leads to Totalitarianism. A completely socialist Eruope if not held in check would soon become a completely communist state. Even if Buchanan WERE as far "right" as the media made him to be, certainly our "left" Congress would hold him in check. If his ideas are sooo extremist, surely Congress wouldn't let him get away with too much crap. In reality, Pat's "rightism" is mostly a nationalist rightism. (And how dare anyone be a nationalist!!) The news of Austria is good. But if Europe is stupid enough to isolate Austria then Austria could turn more like the old nazis. It would be all too easy for Austrians to find a scapegoat for their anger if isolated. Does Europe want to create a monster? The left has too much power. But neither would I want the right to have to much power. Not on this present earth. It's going to be an interesting year. 15 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:42:45 PST by Ymani Cricket [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi You know, in effect, the tolerance our communities have extended to their federal government concerning its involvement in WACO is very similar to that extended by the Germans to Hitler. As long as the economy is good, we'll turn the other way when the jackboots have the primal urge to kick. 16 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:44:43 PST by mo [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: founder fan "If the opposition, in its ignorance, suppresses them, they create the Hitlers of the future" The opposition isn't suppressing them in ignorance, it's arrogance. What is demonstrated in actions such as the Kosovo bombing, attempts to suppress Austrian's right to vote for a political party, worldwide (apparently) tolerence of excessive immigration, WTO agreements is an appalling lack of respect for the lessons of history. The average person who pays the taxes, has wages affected adversely, fights the wars, understands more than he/she is given credit for. It's just a matter of getting people to read articles such as this one and understanding that NOW is the time to vote for sanity before the direction the world is taking is irreversible. 17 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:53:26 PST by grania [ Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Bump for a later reading. 18 Posted on 02/09/2000 02:54:06 PST by JZoback [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: mo Absolutely right. For some reason I can't picture Buchanan leveling churches that are leftist oriented. 19 Posted on 02/09/2000 03:03:33 PST by Ymani Cricket [ Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: mo "You know, in effect, the tolerance our communities have extended to their federal government concerning its involvement in WACO is very similar to that extended by the Germans to Hitler. As long as the economy is good, we'll turn the other way when the jackboots have the primal urge to kick." You're dead on with that assesment friend... dead on! And like the old saying goes; I did'nt complain when the came for the guns because I was'nt a gun owner. I did'nt complain when they came for the Jews, because I was'nt one. I did'nt complain when they came for my neighbor because it did'nt concern me. When they came for me there was no one left to stand up for me. Those that think that the Fedearal Government's tyranny will stop at Waco if gone unchecked have some serious reality/perception problems that need to addressed real quick. 20 Posted on 02/09/2000 03:07:04 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Campion Moore Boru the modern day nazis are the communist left - schumer and feinstein are perfect examples - they totally ignore the constitution - bill of rights and all the laws of the land - they just see how much they can ignore or bend the laws to suit their purpose - the bolsheviks in congress and america are out for the destruction of america - they should be treated as no more than traitors - and for other polticians to go along with them - are traitors also - we have laws of the land - and my interpretation is as good as theirs - klinton is a perfect example of the modern day politician - he never tells the truth - and they only go into politics - because that is where all the money is - any politicians can be bought out - just like whores - the price is what has to be settled - politicians are traitors and parasites - just feeding off of the country - contributing nothing - the days of the citizen politicians are over - and until term limits are passed and enforced - they will just become more out of control - and continue destroying the country - it would be interesting hearing the conversations between the lobbyists and politicians on their betraying the people - a few years back i was watching tv and it was showing how lobbyists has bought off the top politicians in arizona - and it was on camera - what a sickening display of greed - is this what america has come to - our freedom has a price now - and all of this is determined on how cheaply our politicians will go for - and that is local - state - and federal 21 Posted on 02/09/2000 03:44:18 PST by deepsixx [ Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi bump! 22 Posted on 02/09/2000 03:52:01 PST by novakeo [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi I think Pat Buchanan deserves the defense. But I am thrilled that this is a defense of something far more important: that which is left of Democracy in Europe. Thanks for the post! 23 Posted on 02/09/2000 04:49:42 PST by nikolatesla [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Campion Moore Boru I have been having a lot of trouble getting on lately so I may not be able to discuss this further for a while, CWB. However, I do not agree at all with Wannie's analysis that the Republican Party would tend toward Fascism, much less Nazism. That analogy was nutty and not productive at all for understanding the political landscape in the U.S. However, as you probably anticipated, I do agree that the S.H. tariff was an absolute disaster for the world, including the U.S. That has always been one of my biggest reasons to oppose Pat's economic policies. I do find it interesting that Wann. does not talk about Pat's economic policies. It never has been my contention that Pat is a fascist although his economic policies would give much more power to the state. Nor do I believe that the impact of immigration on the U.S. is anywhere near as great as it is on Austria. While I consider Wann. a economist of note, he is not one of the most respected or most consulted should I want information regarding some economic phenomenon. My challenge still stands - Show me a well respected economist who supports Pat's economic theories. Perhaps I will be able to get back on later Wednesday night should there be further comments on this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Allen 24 Posted on 02/09/2000 05:30:02 PST by aka [ Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: piper1 The incrementalism is not going in the direction you presume. It is toward Globalism and neither the Republicans nor Democrats intend to stop it. Both party's are hostile to the Constitution although both give great lip service to it. Nothing has or will change untill we stop the blind allegiance to the politicians of these party's for continuity, or more specifically, seniority and power. By supporting these parties, we are voting ourselves and our children into slavery and bankruptcy no matter which Party we "support". 25 Posted on 02/09/2000 05:55:23 PST by D Joyce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: aka While I consider Wann. a economist of note, he is not one of the most respected or most consulted should I want information regarding some economic phenomenon. My challenge still stands - Show me a well respected economist who supports Pat's economic theories. There are no economists of note who endorse Pat's punitive, protective tariffs. Wanniski, OTOH, is a self-promoting zelig who blast-faxes his "views" to an extensive mailing list all over the country on an almost daily basis, but mostly to "insiders" in Washington, D.C. Jude is buddies with Jack Kemp and Robert Novak and, notably, Louis Farrakhan, whom he vehemently (and unsuccessfully) defended against charges of racism several years ago. In fact, he was behind Jack Kemp's unfortunate embrace of Calypso Louie during the 1996 presidential campaign. Wanniski is "an economist of note" in his own eyes. 26 Posted on 02/09/2000 06:01:18 PST by sinkspur [ Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: mo "As long as the economy is good ..." Excellent point. but let me just make one tiny addition to it ... as long as they can MAKE US BELIEVE the economy is good. In reality its only good if you are one of the elitists. The rest of the population is having to work two and three jobs just to keep pace with where they were 10 years ago. The only thing that holds the illusion up,is continued borrowing. If that stops ... the buck stops. . And finally, wasn't it a nazi principle that if you tell the people something often enough they'd believe it? The REAL nazi mentality is in control of what gets printed as your news. Good to see some truth seeping out as in the article above. This will be our last chance to bring it all back to sanity at the voting booth. If we fail this time, we will reap the whirlwind. 27 Posted on 02/09/2000 06:17:17 PST by Ridin' Shotgun [ Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: grania I guess the EU and the present administration have as their policies, if a nation doesn't have nuclear weapons, large reserves of petroleum and/or a sizable amount of cheap/slave labor, it can be freely trampled on in the name of "humanitarianism." First Serbia, now Austria. Nations having one or more of those aforementioned things in sufficient quantities, (e.g., China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, to name but a few at random) can get easy IMF loans in the billions of dollars, MFN trading status in a blink of an eye, even if those governments have no free elections at all or butcher millions of their citizens and throw others in to slave labor camps, with not a discouraging word said. 28 Posted on 02/09/2000 06:54:19 PST by MK ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Ridin' Shotgun ... as long as they can MAKE US BELIEVE the economy is good. In reality its only good if you are one of the elitists. The rest of the population is having to work two and three jobs just to keep pace with where they were 10 years ago. The only thing that holds the illusion up,is continued borrowing. If that stops ... the buck stops. . Alexander Solzhenitsyn summed it up best, "When the lies stop, the system collapses." 29 Posted on 02/09/2000 07:18:46 PST by MK ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi, Sinkspur, aka You "Free Traders" constantly bash Buchanan as a xenophope who's policies regarding these issues will be the destruction of America citing some economist or another. Well here you go- a respected economist and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal who chooses with his debut effort on WorldNetDaily to come to the defense of Pat Buchanan and dispell the fear mongering and propaganda regarding his policies with a persuasive and coherent argument. I can't wait to see what fault you globalists will invent to try to discredit Wanniski with. Good luck... Sinkspur Wanniski, OTOH, is a self-promoting zelig who blast-faxes his "views" to an extensive mailing list all over the country on an almost daily basis, but mostly to "insiders" in Washington, D.C. Jude is buddies with Jack Kemp and Robert Novak and, notably, Louis Farrakhan, whom he vehemently (and unsuccessfully) defended against charges of racism several years ago. In fact, he was behind Jack Kemp's unfortunate embrace of Calypso Louie during the 1996 presidential campaign. Wanniski is "an economist of note" in his own eyes. Well there you have it. Sinkspur, a high priest among the cult of Buchanan bashers, can find nothing worse to say about Wanniski's economics than he allegedly embraces Farakkan. Personally I was surprised with this article from Wanniski, who was always part, as best I knew, of the open borders crowd associated with men such as Wattenberg and the WSJ. But the factthat sinkspur denounces him is most reliable sign that he may be coming around, at least for a while. 30 Posted on 02/09/2000 08:02:23 PST by Okiereddust [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: sinkspur "Wanniski is "an economist of note" in his own eyes" I understand if you think he is wrong. I think Galbraith was an idiot, but he was still an economist of note. I fail to see how a man with the enormous amount of influence that Wanniski has had is not an economist of note. 31 Posted on 02/09/2000 08:08:25 PST by Rodney King [ Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: aka However, as you probably anticipated, I do agree that the S.H. tariff was an absolute disaster for the world, including the U.S. That has always been one of my biggest reasons to oppose Pat's economic policies. Pat has rightly condemned the collective rape of Post WWI Germany as the primary reason for the rise of Nazi Germany (the S.H. tariff was part of that). Why would this fact prompt you to oppose Pat's economic policies? Exactly which ones do you oppose? Nor do I believe that the impact of immigration on the U.S. is anywhere near as great as it is on Austria. Really? Does immigration cost Austria upwards of $4 billion a year? Because it does for the United States. And that's just one item on the bill. That's not even counting the ever-increasing balkanization and loss of sovereignty we are facing. I wonder if Austrian soccer players get cups of beer and urine dumped on them in their home stadiums, by fans who are Austrian citizens by immigration? Then the players turn up to see their own flag being jeered at, and any loyal Austrian fans being threatened with assault. Do you think that sort of stuff happens in Austria? 32 Posted on 02/09/2000 08:16:38 PST by Proud2BAmerican [ Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: sinkspur > Jude is buddies with Jack Kemp > > Jack Kemp's...embrace of Calypso Louie during the 1996 > presidential campaign. The same Jack Kemp who endorsed George W. Bush for President?!! Holy guilt-by-association, Batman!!! CALYPSO LOUIE MUST BE A DUBYA SUPPORTER!!! 33 Posted on 02/09/2000 08:24:04 PST by Benoit Baldwin [ Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Arator: LOUIS FARRAKHAN IS A DUBYA SUPPORTER See sinkspur's #26. (And my #33, heh, heh.) 34 Posted on 02/09/2000 08:25:43 PST by Benoit Baldwin [ Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Buchanan and Haidar represent the suppressed forces of yang, the pitchfork peasants at the bottom of mountains everywhere. Patrick Buchanan - Friend of the Working Man and Defender of the Blue Collar Dollar! Let's get a pitchfork after those effete, East Coast Money boys! God save the Republic. 46 Posted on 02/09/2000 08:47:44 PST by Either/Or [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi To his controllers- this is unacceptable. He has served his purpose but now must make way for a new face. Very perceptive. The faces may change but the policies remain the same. A point I've been trying to make here at FR for months. if (Gore + Bradley) = NWO and (Bush + McCain) = NWO then (Gore + Bradley) = (Bush + McCain) Given the veracity of this conclusion - if either party resumes the executive no political tremor will upset the status quo in Washington, D.C. for the next four years. Just gotta do the math! 47 Posted on 02/09/2000 09:01:36 PST by l0newolf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: piper1 "The 4th estate would make mince meat out of each and everyone of them" Piper, Besides the fact that the Republicans contribute GREATLY to the demonization of people who step over the line to defend The U.S. of A., people are starting to wake up to the fact that the demonization is FALSE!! A BUNCH of people!! The guy could just as well have written that, "An action creates an equal and opposite reaction." That is Pat's status right now. He is reacting to the covert destruction of this country, to the benefit of "globalism", by the RepOcrat leadership TODAY. IMHO, if he doesn't succeed, the next step {God forbid} will be fighting in the streets. Peace and love , George. GO PAT GO!!! 48 Posted on 02/09/2000 09:04:16 PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park [ Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Benoit Baldwin "LOUIS FARRAKHAN IS A DUBYA SUPPORTER!!!" Ben, Thanks for the heads up on the article. We knew that!! Heh, heh. At least according to Sink's McCarthy leanings {guilt by association}. Peace and love, George. 49 Posted on 02/09/2000 09:15:52 PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park [ Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Rodney King Rod and Okie, Well, as an academic who hangs out with dozens of economists and who corresponds with perhaps hundreds, I can tell you that virtually NO ONE takes him seriously as an economist---a pundit, maybe. It is dangerous to dismiss Facist/Nazi ideas as stemming from some "general dissatisfaction" among "the people." Hitler never got a majority, but he did have a hard-core minority and possibly had a majority when it came to anti-Semitism. Daniel Goldhagen and others have pretty well documented that so-called "average Germans" went out of their way to kill Jews. I suggest to you that when you see such views, rather than trying to justify them as some sort of anti-New World Order intellectualism, you paint them for what they are: evil, racist, and antithetical to true liberty of any type. 50 Posted on 02/09/2000 10:12:17 PST by LS ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Ron H. I'm with you and mbb bill. Buchanan/Reform... America's last chance. ;-/ 51 Posted on 02/09/2000 10:27:13 PST by jimgib (Buchanan Reform 2000) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: LS OK, but what views are you talking about? The Rabbi's in austria have signed a letter saying that they have never heard anything anti-semetic out of Haider. 52 Posted on 02/09/2000 10:33:23 PST by Rodney King [ Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: LS ""Well, as an academic..."" Ah. I see. Say no more. ""I suggest to you that when you see such views, rather than trying to justify them as some sort of anti-New World Order intellectualism, you paint them for what they are: evil, racist, and antithetical to true liberty of any type."" My, my. What say you to the suggestion that, when any such idea is presented (be it your own position, or even the one you wish to "paint," as you so blithely term it...), a true intellectual (thinker, that is) might wish to examine and then either verify or disprove such a view on its merits (or provable lack thereof)... ...as opposed to "painting" it out of hand just because you said to? Isn't that what a real thinker would do... should do? Notwithstanding the truly impressive fact that you refer to yourself as an "academic..." ;-/ 53 Posted on 02/09/2000 10:45:09 PST by jimgib (Buchanan Reform 2000) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: aka ""Show me a well respected economist who supports Pat's economic theories."" Dr. Pat Choate All Buchanan has ever said is that U.S. Trade Policy should be to require equal, reciprocal terms with our trading partners. If their country is going to allow American goods to be sold there without import tarrifs, we will do the same. If they wish to impose restrictions or tarrifs on American goods, then we will do the same there too. One needn't have a PhD to see that this would be good for America. Nor does one need a PhD to see that anyone who mis-labels this position as "isolationist" or "protectionist" is either quite ignorant, or a Traitor against American working families. Show me one respectable, hard working American who doesn't want FAIR free trade. And save the propaganda for the next NWO meeting, n'kay? We're not impressed. ;-/ 54 Posted on 02/09/2000 11:04:02 PST by jimgib (Buchanan Reform 2000) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Benoit Baldwin Holy guilt-by-association, Batman!!! CALYPSO LOUIE MUST BE A DUBYA SUPPORTER!!! Har, is there anything better than a good laugh at Sink's expense? LOL! 56 Posted on 02/09/2000 13:18:20 PST by donna [ Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: jimgib Isn't that what a real thinker would do... should do? Maybe you might want to buy a book. Business History 57 Posted on 02/09/2000 14:07:09 PST by Exciton [ Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: MK Gold, silver and platinum are moving. These guys who want us to trust in the fiat money they've foisted on us are buying up the real thing. Shades of Baruch in the late 1920's. Don't do as they say, do as they do. Its gonna get real interesting REAL soon. 58 Posted on 02/09/2000 14:41:34 PST by Ridin' Shotgun [ Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: sinkspur "Wanniski is "an economist of note" in his own eyes." Is that akin to how you are a "conservative" and scrupulous in your own mind? 59 Posted on 02/09/2000 14:48:02 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | Top | Last ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Okiereddust "But the fact that sinkspur denounces him is most reliable sign that he (Wanniski) may be coming around, at least for a while." I see you've been paying attention around here... 60 Posted on 02/09/2000 14:52:58 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Excellent Post. I hope the Bushies will read it and make the effort to understand and assimilate. - thats a hope, not an expectation. 61 Posted on 02/09/2000 14:56:26 PST by Shropster [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Benoit Baldwin #38: Kudos for the right cross you planted on sinkspur's chin... 62 Posted on 02/09/2000 14:59:14 PST by Jethro Tull [ Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: aka S.H. tariff was an absolute disaster for the world, including the U.S. Not True! This is a canard that those who have us a third world country have espoused. Our ecconomy was not the 600 lb gorilla that in the late 20's that is now (at least for awhile). Fair trade, not "free" trade is what Pat Buchanan proposes. It shouldn't be too hard to understand that our tarrifs should equal those inposed on our exports. 63 Posted on 02/09/2000 15:05:46 PST by Shropster [ Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: piper1 The 4th estate would make mince meat out of each and everyone of them, and conservatives would end up with a small Minority up there. It's about keeping power, and advancing the agenda incrementally. Those of you who want it all, right now, vote 3rd or 4th or 5th party. It's called shooting yourself in the foot Even without the bias of the media, our nation is structured to do change in tiny increments. The very first attempts at governement control of enterprise was under the Teddy Roosevelt. We took a few steps toward a goverment contolled economy. But inthe 1920's we took a step or to back. The 30's and 40's found us takikng even more steps toward a controlled society. WE took half a step back in the 50's. As each move toward socialism has been made we object, then accept, then require the government service and control. The left has always been willing to take a tiny part of a loaf. They stay with Bill Clinton even though he gave them the hated welfare reform. A Republican takes a half step off the reservation and we scalp him. Much of the right must have their victory all at once. When they cannot get everthing they want in one gulp they take their ball and go home. Forbes is perfect proof. After puting McCain in the drivers seat in New Hampshire he is on his way home to New Jersey to eat worms. He will not endorse. It is almost the end of the day, if the right does not wake up and work for partial victories they will be totally destroyed. But pouting is their favorite passtime and must not be denied. Leading the Right is exactly like herding cats... except the right Meows louder! 64 Posted on 02/09/2000 15:07:44 PST by Common Tator [ Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: jimgib All Buchanan has ever said is that U.S. Trade Policy should be to require equal, reciprocal terms with our trading partners. If their country is going to allow American goods to be sold there without import tarrifs, we will do the same. If they wish to impose restrictions or tarrifs on American goods, then we will do the same there too. One needn't have a PhD to see that this would be good for America. Nor does one need a PhD to see that anyone who mis-labels this position as "isolationist" or "protectionist" is either quite ignorant, or a Traitor against American working families. Show me one respectable, hard working American who doesn't want FAIR free trade. And save the propaganda for the next NWO meeting, n'kay? We're not impressed. If the people who trash Pat could or would read his books they would realize how the media lies about him. Most people if they read what he says would agree with him. What part of being lied to by the media do Pat's opponents like best? 65 Posted on 02/09/2000 15:13:14 PST by Common Tator [ Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: LS "I suggest to you that when you see such views, rather than trying to justify them as some sort of anti-New World Order intellectualism, you paint them for what they are: evil, racist, and antithetical to true liberty of any type." HUH?!?! You're painting opposition to the New World Order as antithetical to true liberty????? Hey pal- a little suggestion for YOU- from now on try breaking the Prozac in half ok? The NWO is recognized as anathema to true liberty to anyone with an I.Q. higher than a pro golf score. Maybe instead of hanging out with dozens of econo-geeks all the time in a theoretical universe, you could join the real world with the rest of us and open your eyes to whats really going on around you- 66 Posted on 02/09/2000 15:19:13 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi "It is, of course, exactly the populist movement that Pat Buchanan has been representing in the United States -- a position seen as "far right," with Buchanan being labeled a Hitler for taking this "nativist" or "nationalist" stance." Of course Buchanan is not a Hitler, but he is nonetheless unqualified to be President even apart from his America Only economic model. Buchanan is an isolationist who wants big government. Plus, he has said flat out that if he were the President and he were ordered directly by the United States Supreme Court to comply with a grand jury subpoena in a criminal proceeding, he would refuse. His supporters ignore this ominous warning at their peril. 67 Posted on 02/09/2000 15:22:42 PST by Clarity [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: donna "Har, is there anything better than a good laugh at Sink's expense? LOL!" If there is- I have'nt found it yet. Besides- he makes it Soooooo easy... 68 Posted on 02/09/2000 15:29:55 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity I think a better name for you would be "cloudy"... Unless of course you mean clarity in the literal sense meaning "transparent", as in obvious... 69 Posted on 02/09/2000 15:40:06 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity "Plus, he has said flat out that if he were the President and he were ordered directly by the United States Supreme Court to comply with a grand jury subpoena in a criminal proceeding, he would refuse." Hmmmm. Could that be because it would be a violation of the separation of powers and an affront to the powers of the executive branch? (You know, those three little things in government that were designed to protect our country and constitution). 70 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:02:22 PST by vmatt [ Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Anything you say, Illuminutty. 71 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:06:53 PST by Clarity [ Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity Government where you follow the Constitutional way for collecting taxes(as the founding fathers wrote it) is far smaller Federal government. Until we started colleting the evil and slavish income tax the Federal Government was supported by tarrifs. This system was totally unintrusive and helped both keep government small and maintain our Independence. You need to study history. You need to read the Constititution and the Declaration of Independence as well as the writings of the founding fathers. The income tax is socialist/communist not tarrifs. Tarrifs are the key to maintaining Independence and freedom. 72 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:10:20 PST by AAPATRIOT [ Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity > Of course Buchanan is not a Hitler, but he is nonetheless > unqualified to be President even apart from his America > Only economic model. Buchanan is an isolationist who wants > big government. Plus, he has said flat out that if he were > the President and he were ordered directly by the United > States Supreme Court to comply with a grand jury subpoena > in a criminal proceeding, he would refuse. His supporters > ignore this ominous warning at their peril. Hey...you ought to work for the Associated Press! You're as good as copy-'n'-pasting propaganda as they are! 73 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:11:41 PST by Benoit Baldwin [ Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: vmatt What Dr. Wanniski is saying hear is that by providing a voice for legitimate grievences against the existing political order by disenfranchised and marginalized groups Pat Buchanan is actually preventing extremist groups and ideologies from arising in our society which is exactly the way a democracy ideally should function. 74 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:11:56 PST by Overmind [ Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity So people you don't agree with are nuts.... I suppose all the founding fathers were nuts too in your brain-washed mind! After all they totally disagree with you on trade. 75 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:12:54 PST by AAPATRIOT [ Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity You're as good at copy-'n'-pasting propaganda as they are, rather. 76 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:13:54 PST by Benoit Baldwin [ Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Overmind That is his point....but this is a REPUBLIC! This is not a democracy.... 77 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:15:04 PST by AAPATRIOT [ Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity My ego is not of primary concern for me here- getting the information out is, and even if it was'nt- I think my ego can withstand a moronic attack by some nameless, faceless person typing from Nowhere, USA. You can spout all the hate mongering speech you want to cloudy... as long as it bumps the thread to the top- you're doing my bidding. Thanks- 78 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:17:13 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Bump! Nice to have this genteleman with World Net. 79 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:25:08 PST by AuntB [ Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi OK. Here's another bump. The more exposure given to Pat Buchanan, the better. 80 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:30:33 PST by Clarity [ Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: piper1 "It's about keeping power, and advancing the agenda incrementally. Those of you who want it all, right now, vote 3rd or 4th or 5th party. It's called shooting yourself in the foot." There are no feet left. The razor that's been shaving the US away is now at the throat. 81 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:39:47 PST by spunkets [ Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Benoit Baldwin The same Jack Kemp who endorsed George W. Bush for President?!! Holy guilt-by-association, Batman!!! CALYPSO LOUIE MUST BE A DUBYA SUPPORTER!!! Brilliant! Even better than GWB's Second Ammendment advisor the famous handgun expert - Spike Lee! 82 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:42:46 PST by C54321 [ Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Jude isn't an economist. He's a journalist and a free trader who is friends with Pat. 83 Posted on 02/09/2000 16:42:53 PST by Freedom Wins [ Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Iris7 I read Proctors The Nazi War On Cancer. It also said he was a vegitarian, non-smoker( used to give out gold watches to quiters, forbade Eva to smoke in bunker) and was a animal rightist. He also was into folk remidies, anti-constipation, and ate 2 pound chocolate/day. If he hadn't killed 55million people +/-, he'd be a modern lib. go figure. Hey, it was all for utopia anyways, like Lenin, they figured a few ugly years and then... 84 Posted on 02/09/2000 17:10:13 PST by Leisler [ Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: piper1 How in the world is the Republican Party advancing the cause of conservatism "incrementally"? We pay a higher percentage of the national income for government at all levels than ever before. We are involved in wars that are none of our business. And the Bushs and McCains of the Party don't want to fight the cultural wars that will determine whether this country will survive free and with it's sanity intact. It is over for the GOP! You should have figured that out by now!(And stop being so damned scared of the media!Sheeeshhh,what a bunch of wimps..) Go Pat Go! 85 Posted on 02/09/2000 17:13:25 PST by Robo14 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [ Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: Clarity "OK. Here's another bump. The more exposure given to Pat Buchanan, the better. " Thanks- I think what you mean though is... "The more exposure given to Pat Buchanan, the better off the country is. 86 Posted on 02/09/2000 17:44:36 PST by IllumiNOTi [ Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: IllumiNOTi Yes, in fact that is precisely what I mean. 87 Posted on 02/09/2000 18:00:16 PST by Clarity [ Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | Top | Last ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ To: sinkspur Sooo, sinkspur does speak Yiddish after all! How zelig. 88 Posted on 02/09/2000 18:12:29 PST by pea eye [ Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | Top | Last ] Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. 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