-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> </A> -Cui Bono?- http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38ab11b114a1.htm Monicagate Lawyer Representing Accused Starbucks Shooter Crime/Corruption Breaking News News Keywords: MAHONEY Source: NewsMax Published: Wednesday February 16, 2000; 11:09 AM EST Author: Carl Limbacher Posted on 02/16/2000 13:08:01 PST by flamefront The lawyer representing the accused killer of former White House intern Mary Caity Mahoney played a key role in the Monica Lewinsky case, NewsMax.com has learned. The case of Carl Derek Cooper, who was indicted last March in the July 1997 gangland-style slaying of Mahoney and two co-workers as they closed up a Washington, DC Starbucks coffee shop, has been assigned to Washington attorney Francis D. Carter. A receptionist in Carter's office confirmed to NewsMax.com that Francis D. Carter is indeed Frank Carter, who became famous in January 1998 as Monica Lewinsky's first lawyer. Carter is Cooper's co-counsel in the Starbucks case, along with DC area lawyer Steven Kiersch. In December 1997 White House fixer Vernon Jordan enlisted Carter to help Lewinsky respond to a subpoena in Paula Jones case. Jordan had personally cleared Carter with the President, according to Michael Isikoff's book, Uncovering Clinton: "Jordan told Clinton about Lewinsky's subpoena and promised to get a lawyer. He mentioned the name Francis Carter. 'You think he's a good lawyer?' Clinton asked. Jordan assured him Carter was." Jordan personally escorted Lewinsky to Carter's office to work out the wording of an affidavit in which she denied a sexual relationship with Clinton. It was on the basis of that false affidavit that Lewinsky became vulnerable to perjury charges. To avoid prosecution, she made a deal with investigators for the Office of Independent Counsel. Carter and Jordan were also investigated by the OIC for their roles in the Lewinsky cover-up. Neither was charged with a crime. Three years before Lewinsky's name became a household word, Mary Caity Mahoney worked as an intern in the Clinton White House. Reportedly, several of her colleagues confided in her about incidents of sexual harassment by the President, a situation which she had vowed to remedy. Just days before the Starbucks killings, Lewinsky informed Clinton that she was going to tell her parents about their relationship. "It's a crime to threaten the President," Clinton angrily responded, according to the Starr Report. NewsMax.com has been unable to confirm reports that Lewinsky once told a White House friend, "I don't want to end up like Caity Mahoney." But the more famous of the two Clinton interns did make repeated references to fears she might be killed in conversations recorded by Sexgate whistleblower Linda Tripp. "I would not cross these people for fear of my life," Lewinsky told Tripp in December 1997, explaining why she could not tell laywers for Paula Jones the truth about her relationship with the President. Just days after she made that statement Lewinsky was referred to Vernon Jordan, who then sought out Mr. Carter. Last week Attorney General Janet Reno took the extraordinary step of seeking the death penalty for Cooper, even though Washington, DC currently has no capital punishment statute on its books. The last execution in the District took place in 1957. In doing so Reno overuled local US Attorney Wilma Lewis, making the Starbucks massacre one of the few cases in which Reno has pushed for capital punishment over the objections of a local federal prosecutor. Reno's decision to seek Cooper's execution drew criticism from area officials, including DC's Congressional delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton -- who complained that the Attorney General was ignoring the clear wishes of area residents and their elected representatives. The case against Cooper is believed to be weak, resting primarily on a confession that was obtained by police after 54 hours of interrogation, which he recanted shortly thereafter. Prosecutors are expected to argue that Cooper's motive in the Starbucks killing was robbery, yet Mahoney was shot execution style with the key to the safe in her hand. The safe reportedly held $10,000 -- none of which was taken. Another legal link between Monicagate and the Starbucks massacre emerged last week, when DC criminal defense lawyer William Martin spoke out in support of Reno's decision to seek Cooper's execution. Martin also has Monicagate ties -- as the lawyer for Lewinsky's mother, Marcia Lewis, who was under investigation by the OIC in 1998. Martin told The Washington Post that he didn't think jurors would be affected by Reno's decsion to treat the Starbucks murders as a capital case. On Monday Post staff writer Bill Miller, who covered Martin's comments for his report on Reno's decision, told NewsMax.com that any connection between the former Monicagate lawyer and the Starbucks case was purely coincidental. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Connection. Is the WH actually involved in the demise of Mary Caity Mahoney after all? 1 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:08:01 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront I would imagine that Carter is a high dollar attorney. How could this guy afford him? 2 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:14:09 PST by Brian Mosely -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Brian Mosely Yes, good question, might Reno know? Last week Attorney General Janet Reno took the extraordinary step of seeking the death penalty for Cooper, even though Washington, DC currently has no capital punishment statute on its books. The last execution in the District took place in 1957. In doing so Reno overuled local US Attorney Wilma Lewis, making the Starbucks massacre one of the few cases in which Reno has pushed for capital punishment over the objections of a local federal prosecutor. 3 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:17:03 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront We FREEPERS discovered this connection LAST FRIDAY!! This thread LINKED HERE : http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38a45bfe6e1a.htm -- from 2/11 shows just how incredibly perceptive, intelligent, logical, investigative, yadda yadda yadda we Freepers are! (I shamelessly recount this, since I participated in the discussion) I think Carl may read FR -- certainly hope so! 4 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:26:43 PST by ftrader -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Brian Mosely Very good question Brian Mosley. The alleged murderer has been portrayed as a small time crook with a drug habit. How would a lawyer that associates with Vernon Jordan and was recommended by Jordan to Clinton to represent Lewinsky end up working for this small time street punk ... ... ... unless he has a special assignment, that is to get the death penalty for this fellow who's taking the fall for the murder. They've sure pulled the wool over this unfortunate punk's eyes. Do you think the NAACP will help him. I know they forgot to help Ron Brown, but do you think they'll help this guy? 5 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:33:34 PST by Red Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Brian Mosely,flamefront I would imagine that Carter is a high dollar attorney. How could this guy afford him? I'd say, on the evidence, that this guy is the two-bit liar the RICO-gangster mob which owns, operates and controls the Rotten-Beezelbubbas and what passes for their "administration" call when they want a perjurious afidavit drafted and sworn to -- and/or when they want to ensure the speedy demise of one of their hit men who is presently beyond their reach -- and their normal methods of dispatch. Like, for example, those employed against poor Caity Mahoney. I'd reckon, particularly given the Rhino's sudden 180 degree switch over the death penalty, the hit man is skakin' in his shoes. 6 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:34:03 PST by Brian Allen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: ftrader Thanks for keeping us honest with your link to your discovery. It is raising eyebrows around the nation. 7 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:34:36 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: ftrader I think Carl may read FR -- certainly hope so! If you were around at the time you would recognise one of the original Freepers - Carl from Oyster Bay. 8 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:36:24 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront OF COURSE!!! I remember that moniker well! We are well served by his work at NewsMax.com. And were it not for Alamo-Girl we would all be scrounging around for details. This is a VERY important topic, so bump away. 9 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:39:27 PST by ftrader -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront What are you guys talking about? There you tin foil types go again. C'mon - people, so the lawyer for this kid is high powered and connected to the top of the DC black political elite and to the ultimate FOB, Vernon Jordan. So he represented Monica at Jordan's request. So this Mahoney girl is rumored to have known something about sex harassment complaints and the president. So she worked at the white house. So she was found dead and no money was taken. I am sure it is just a coincidence. Who is paying Carter? I don't know and is that relevant? Don't you think the Washington Post or one of the Networks already looked into this? So what if Reno is breaking stride and imposing the death penalty in this case? Why is that unusual- she has done things like this before- ummm- like when it turned out that the only wire tap among thousands that Reno had denied a request for was that of Wen Ho Lee at Los Alamos. That was just coincidence as well and the Washington Post and the Networks would have told us otherwise. What's the matter don't you guys trust the media- after all they broke watergate- remember? 10 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:56:35 PST by Burkeman1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront Lets see, Carter controled Monica for White House and Carter controls the killer for the White House. What a coincidence? 11 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:05:42 PST by Pete53 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront Consider this: 1. Reno wants it to look like the administration really cares about the death of Mahoney. Reno knows that there is no way DC will execute anyone. 2. Craig Livingstone really did it but by focusing on this street criminal, everyone stops looking at the White House connection. 3. Mahoney is dead, Monica isn't, therefore what Mahoney knew was much more damaging to the First Felon than what Lewinsky told us. 12 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:06:48 PST by Sir Clancelot -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Burkeman1 LOL. And Nixon went many months through an election after the discovery of Watergate without being nailed by that great investigative media too, BTW. 13 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:07:41 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Brian Mosely I would imagine that Carter is a high dollar attorney. How could this guy afford him? It's not impossible he is working pro bono. I can see a liberal lawyer taking on for free the case of a young, poor, black man charged with murder. And some areas have a system where certainly lawyers are randomly assigned pro bono cases. This is not to say I am certain that everything is on the up and up. I just believe it is important to examine possible innocent explanations. 14 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:10:49 PST by murdoog -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront When I first read the title, I thought this was gonna be a story about William ("Mr. Sunday Morning Media") Ginsburg. I thought, "If Ginsburg is this criminal defendant's lawyer, the defandant's a dead man!" lol 15 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:11:24 PST by martin_fierro -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Pete53 Question: How many of the Clinton body count have ballistic reports as part of the investigations? I would be curious to see if any of the bullets match with all of these cases. Chances are if Clinton is involved, he has a "go to" guy to help other people "commit suicide" or die by the train tracks. It would be unusual if the go to guy used a different weapon with each hit. I realize this may seem far out there, but a ballistic comparison would be interesting. 16 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:12:44 PST by Sir Clancelot -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront I think this will be a hard case to get a conviction. If a plea bargain cannot be coaxed by his conflicted legal representation, is it a stretch a suicide hanging in his cell or a mortal wounding by another inmate [or some such] is how the headlines by and by will read? 17 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:13:57 PST by metalbird1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: martin_fierro When I read the title, I just thought, "Poor guy - a petty thief and an addict - is a dead man." Of course, Carter's in for the kill cum Reno cum WH. I doubt very, very much if this poor fellow managed that aggressive killing......this is being done to protect the real perpetrators, in the WH and OUT. Heartbreaking, really. 18 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:19:13 PST by Anochka -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: martin_fierro Yeah- pro bono random assignment is a possibility as was Reno's decision to deny the tap on Wen Ho Lee was based on sound legal judgement. 19 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:24:15 PST by Burkeman1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: murdoog Yes since this is a capital case brought by federal prosecutors in the District of Columbia this would attract and be of concern to politically connected black attorneys. Should this guy get the death penalty, the concern would be that any number of other DC street thugs would be similiarly at risk and with the possibility of a GOP DoJ next year, this angle needs to be examined. 20 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:32:45 PST by abwehr -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Brian Mosely Good question!!! How did this drug thug afford Frank Carter??? Inquiring minds want to know. 21 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:33:25 PST by Ann Archy -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: metalbird1 My thoughts exactly. My guess, if indeed this was a conspiracy, would be that Carter would terrify him into accepting a plea deal. The kid is scared so he does so and gets something like 25 years to life instead of Death. Then- a couple of months into his sentence he is found dead in his cell from suicide or he is killed in an "inmate altercation." Real tough to arrange in those bastions of incorruptibility- the DC prison system. I am sure. The kid has to die in my opinion or else he could start squaking and try to get an appeal. 22 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:36:18 PST by Burkeman1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront How many cases do you know of in which an indigent defendant had TWO court-appointed lawyers, one of whom is a big-time, high-powered attorney? One may recall the case of Tim McVey, now convicted of the OKC Federal building bombing -- he got ONE fairly big name lawyer (plus the attorneys who worked for him) to defend him. Not co-counsels.... On the other hand, perhaps Att. Carter isn't court-appointed, which only begets the obvious question of who is paying for his services, or why would he suddenly take an interest in pro bono work for this particular defendant. Also, how many other pro bono murder cases has Att. Carter taken on in the past several years? Hmmm? 23 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:37:03 PST by longshadow -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: longshadow All great questions: lets sumerize: What is Carter's specialty? How many murder trials has he been on before? If Carter is being paid, then who is paying him and why? If it is Pro Bono work how did he arrive at the case? Was he assigned randomly or did he chose it? If it was a random Pro Bono assignment what is the process and who controls it? Not Norma Holloway I hope (we all know about her random judge assignments.) If he chose the case- why? And why not recluse yourself from the case with even a slight hint of conflict? Just how many other Pro Bono cases has this attorney taken up in the last 5 years? All good questions that I am sure Freepers can find the answers too. 24 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:45:30 PST by Burkeman1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Brian Mosely That was the first question that came to my mind. A Clinton "fixer" defending a guy who was so dumb at robbery that he left his lawyer payment in the safe after executing his victim who was holding the key. More grist for the conspiracy grill, unfortunately, because none of this will be allowed to come out under Reno. 25 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:55:42 PST by hattend -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Sir Clancelot It would be unusual if the go to guy used a different weapon with each hit. Assuming this is what happened, no, it would not be suprising. Only an idiot of a hit-man would keep using the same weapon. 26 Posted on 02/16/2000 15:06:50 PST by lepton -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront Bump!!! So Bizarre!! Where does he get the money?? 27 Posted on 02/16/2000 15:32:53 PST by Homer1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront Is this important? ".... has been assigned to Washington attorney Francis D. Carter." Do lawyers sometimes get appointed to defend someone? I don't know why he wouldn't get a regular public defender, but...just thinking outloud. 28 Posted on 02/16/2000 16:19:06 PST by YaYa123 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: YaYa123 A little reminder on Carter: Ms. Jones's lawyers served Ms. Lewinsky with a subpoena on December 19, 1997. Ms. Lewinsky contacted Vernon Jordan, who in turn put her in contact with attorney Frank Carter.(285) Based on the information that Ms. Lewinsky provided, Mr. Carter prepared an affidavit which stated: "I have never had a sexual relationship with the President."(286) After Mr. Carter drafted the affidavit, Ms. Lewinsky spoke to the President by phone on January 5th.(287) She asked the President if he wanted to see the draft affidavit. According to Ms. Lewinsky, the President replied that he did not need to see it because he had already "seen 15 others." 29 Posted on 02/16/2000 16:25:50 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: YaYa123 Yes - we would like to know why the passive tense. Who did the appointing? Good question. 30 Posted on 02/16/2000 16:27:45 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront Is the WH actually involved in the demise of Mary Caity Mahoney after all? The question may be whose side is Carter really on and does his client know who his friends are??? . . .or maybe he does. . .and has reason to trust. . . 31 Posted on 02/16/2000 16:39:20 PST by cricket -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: cricket Yes, quite a vise grip on Cooper. Reno - Carter - WH - all we need now is the judge to be a Clinton appointee and the jury to be blackmailed to complete the control. Who is the judge? Judge Joyce Hens Green. ??? Maybe some background from Uncle Bill's links http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a389e3ba6194e.htm#11 or a search of "starbucks" will fill out some of the detail. 32 Posted on 02/16/2000 16:59:16 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront A while back, there was an item in a thread about Mary Caity Mahoney being a lesbian. If so, could there have been another Clinton with an even bigger "intern problem"? 33 Posted on 02/16/2000 17:30:01 PST by SauronOfMordor -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: murdoog It's not impossible he is working pro bono. I can see a liberal lawyer You have this all wrong. It is not Pro Bono. This lawyer is working Sony Bono. Don't you know the motto of this law firm is "I've got you babe!"? Geeeze. 34 Posted on 02/16/2000 18:05:47 PST by Common Tator -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: ftrader, plummz I posted the identification of Frank Carter in reply #46, dated Jan. 17th, in this thread started by Plummz: Statements Challenged in Starbucks Triple Slaying : http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388255d92293.htm However, I can't claim that it was my idea. "Bob" pointed out the identification to me in an e-mail. 35 Posted on 02/16/2000 18:17:37 PST by aristeides ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Red Jones Red.....if this guy is black..I bet Al Sharpton won't show up to help him...I have always thought clintoon had something to do with her murder. 36 Posted on 02/16/2000 18:34:10 PST by joyce11111 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Sir Clancelot How many of the Clinton body count have ballistic reports as part of the investigations? I would be curious to see if any of the bullets match with all of these cases. Chances are if Clinton is involved, he has a "go to" guy to help other people "commit suicide" or die by the train tracks. It would be unusual if the go to guy used a different weapon with each hit. I realize this may seem far out there, but a ballistic comparison would be interesting. Yes that is a very interesting observation. How would one obtain the authority to compare the different bullets in order to match them? 37 Posted on 02/16/2000 20:50:11 PST by Pete53 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: SauronOfMordor Kudos to Carl Limbacher for unearthing the Monica connection. Even the Washington Times seems to be in Clinton's pocket on this one. It appears their police beat guy is sucking up to the cops/Clinton line, ballyhooing planted leaks without checking out the circumstances of Cooper's 'confession(s)'. The ComPost is actually doing a bit more investigative work on the case. Yes, Mary Caitlin Mahoney was a lesbian. Put this together with her apparent culling of harassment tales and you have a motive for murder -- a "troublemaker" who could verify Monica's pre-blue dress testimony. 38 Posted on 02/16/2000 20:56:30 PST by XPatriot -------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. -------------------------------------------------------------------- . <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soap-boxing! 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