-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> </A> -Cui Bono?- http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38a45bfe6e1a.htm Holder's Office Had Say In Decision on Starbucks Crime/Corruption Front Page News Keywords: STARBUCKS MAHONEY HOLDER RENO COOPER Source: Washington Post Published: Friday, February 11, 2000; Page A08 Author: By Bill Miller Posted on 02/11/2000 10:59:10 PST by Plummz Deputy Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. confirmed yesterday that his office was involved in the Justice Department's decision to seek the death penalty against Carl Derek Cooper in the Starbucks slaying case. But he would not disclose the reasons U.S. Attorney Wilma A. Lewis's recommendation against seeking execution was overruled. "I will say that the deputy attorney general's office was involved, but I really wouldn't want to comment on what my role, if any, was in that matter," Holder told reporters during a weekly news briefing at the Justice Department yesterday. Sources familiar with the Cooper deliberations said Holder was among those supporting Attorney General Janet Reno's decision to seek the federal death penalty. Reno had the final say on the issue and acted Monday after receiving recommendations from Lewis and a Justice Department screening committee as well as input from Holder and other officials. The decision has generated criticism from Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.) and other political leaders who maintained that Reno should not have chosen to target Cooper and the Starbucks case for the first death penalty trial in the District in nearly 30 years. Unlike federal law, the District has no provision for the death penalty. Lewis has declined to discuss her stance on the case, but other sources said she did not believe that the federal issues were strong enough to push for death. Holder was U.S. attorney for the District from 1993 until 1997, when he became second in command at the Justice Department. As U.S. attorney, he expressed misgivings about capital punishment. As U.S. attorney, he usually was forthcoming, even on touchy subjects. But he would not comment yesterday on the dynamics of overruling his successor, Lewis. In 1995, Reno persuaded Holder to seek the federal death penalty against Donzell McCauley in the killing of a D.C. police officer. Holder ultimately accepted a plea bargain with McCauley that resulted in a life prison sentence with no chance of parole. At the time of the plea, Holder explained that a death penalty trial could divide the city and said that the District's long-standing opposition to the death penalty gave prosecutors reason to worry that a jury might not go along with a death sentence. Holder's remarks yesterday suggested that he now views cases in a different perspective because of his expanded responsibilities. "Federal cases have to be judged on a nationwide standard," Holder said. "We have one system, and it is appropriate for people in the federal system all to be treated in the same way. And that's one of the things that we try to search for, especially when it comes to the death penalty." Cooper, 30, is to stand trial May 2 in U.S. District Court on capital charges stemming from the July 1997 slayings at the Starbucks coffee shop in the 1800 block of Wisconsin Avenue NW. Prosecutors said the victims -- store manager Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, and employees Emory Allen Evans, 25, and Aaron David Goodrich, 18 -- were killed in an apparent robbery attempt. Cooper also faces racketeering and other federal charges involving a series of shootings, robberies and other crimes dating to 1993. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Holder, the White House's man in the DoJ and seemingly Shakes the Clown's puppeteer, pushed for the death penalty. 1 Posted on 02/11/2000 10:59:10 PST by Plummz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides, Alamo-Girl, Michael Rivero, Uncle Bill, metalbird1, rubbertramp, Wallaby One big flag for all of you. I should get back to work . . . 2 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:00:58 PST by Plummz -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Prosecutors said the victims -- store manager Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, and employees Emory Allen Evans, 25, and Aaron David Goodrich, 18 -- were killed in an apparent robbery attempt. Interesting, isn't it, that the article's only reference to Mahoney neglects to mention her White House connection. 3 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:07:18 PST by MUDDOG -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Thanks for the heads up! In light of this, I'm going to repost the Eric Holder and Body Count Research for Freeper discussion... 4 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:26:41 PST by Alamo-Girl -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Now I thought the DOJ was currently reviewing the accusation that Blacks get unfair treatment in the justice system and that they get a disproportionate amount of death sentences. So what do they do? Despite all the murders that occur in DC they pick on a black man to single out for the death penalty. Where's Jesse Jackson on this one ? Huh ! 5 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:35:50 PST by Wil H -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: MUDDOG Yeah very interesting isn't it? One would think that they would mention the fact that Caitrin's name is mentioned in the Star report in the famous Monica line" "I don't want to end up like Caity Mahoney." ANd not even a mention that she worked in the White House? Hmmmm interesting indeed. First death penalty case in the district in 30 years- gee what a coinkydinky- not suspicous at all coming from a guy who makes deals with cops killers and hates the death penalty to begin with. NO- I am just being paraniod here right? 6 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:36:11 PST by Burkeman1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz It should be interesting to see who the defendant gets for legal counsel, as this one will *not* go to just any public defender. It'll also be interesting to see if Chelsea gets called as a witness, based on her previous visit/s to the Starbucks where the murders took place and her personal relationship with former White House Intern Mahoney. Interestingly, Mahoney's mother is an employee of a prosecutor's office, in Baltimore, I believe- not certain if local or fed. There should be some stirrings in the media there for alert local freepers to note and report upon. -archy-/- 7 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:36:41 PST by archy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Burkeman1 Nope, you ain't paranoid, and George Stephanopoulos wasn't either when he didn't go to his favorite Starbucks that day. 8 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:55:38 PST by MUDDOG -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Burkeman1 One would think that they would mention the fact that Caitrin's name is mentioned in the Star report in the famous Monica line" "I don't want to end up like Caity Mahoney." This is a myth, there is no such reference to Mahoney. 9 Posted on 02/11/2000 11:58:24 PST by Clinton's a rapist -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Burkeman1, MudDog When reading misinformation, as you have noted, it is more telling what is left out than what is included. For instance, Monica Lewinsky's "tell all" book does not even mention Mary Mahoney. Now if you were writing a book about your duration in the WH, wouldn't the brutal murder of a co-worker be noteable? This sleight of hand requires that you look in the opposing direction. Like an "apparent robbery", with no money taken. 10 Posted on 02/11/2000 12:01:29 PST by rubbertramp -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: rubbertramp it is more telling what is left out than what is included. Well said. It's the foundation for the past century of propaganda and misinformation. It's much more effective to leave out a truth, than to include a lie. Because if you include a lie, there it is, ready to be checked and challenged. But if you omit a truth, it's much more likely to go unnoticed, and you have won the spin. 11 Posted on 02/11/2000 12:07:02 PST by MUDDOG -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: archy COOPER HAS MONICA'S LAWYER! Francis D. Carter, the lawyer who helped Monica "arrange" her affidavit to keep from having to testify, is one of Cooper's lawyers. IMHO, his job, as dictated by the "powers that be" is to CONVINCE Cooper to cop a plea, guilty, to avoid trial THEREBY ensuring that discovery and testimony will NOT OCCUR. By the Administration asking for the death penalty and treating this as a Federal crime rather than a D.C. crime, they have LEVERAGE...something to convince Cooper NOT to go to trial on capital charges. I'm sure Carter's job is to talk him into it, to keep all this stuff "undisclosed" which would happen in a public, open trial! 12 Posted on 02/11/2000 12:15:07 PST by ftrader -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Ah yes, as I suggested previously, the term "plea bargain" soon enough crops up. Eric Holder, nurtured, groomed and vacuumed with all the right stuff. Expect a long and storied career in government service for him: life is good for a loyal team player. {Just be a little smarter and learn from the lessons of the folks before you who got to eat up at the big house, O'Leary, Espy, Brown and Elders: you're likely to be the one firstly made expendable come crunch time, and there always is one.} 13 Posted on 02/11/2000 12:31:49 PST by metalbird1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: MUDDOG from the Mary Caity Mahoney obituary-- "Mahoney's hobbies and interests included her cat, Marlu; Lesbian and women's rights; politics; and jogging." 14 Posted on 02/11/2000 12:39:49 PST by d14truth -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Clinton's a rapist, Burkeman One would think that they would mention the fact that Caitrin's name is mentioned in the Star report in the famous Monica line" "I don't want to end up like Caity Mahoney." This is a myth, there is no such reference to Mahoney. Yep, as far as we know it is indeed a myth. This quote rumored to be on a tape or elsewhere in the Starr referral, but it was never credibly sourced, and when it finally came out, it was no where to be found. This hasn't stopped it from surfacing since, most recently in The Globe (yet another reason to think that tabloid article was laying a false sex-harrassment trail to keep our eyes off the China connection). The closest reference was Monica saying she didn't "want to end up like Mary Jo Kopechne." It is possible references to Mahoney of some sort were contained in redacted information (maybe even likely, given how much was redacted), but we really don't know. 15 Posted on 02/11/2000 13:10:27 PST by Plummz -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: d14truth jogging Are you implying a connection to the jogging video that showed up on Drudge and elsewhere? The White House ludicrously claimed later that was a fortysomething "old Arkansas neighbor of the Clintons." I suppose it's possible, but no one can really compare -- her face was blurred/pixelated out the whole time, except for a brief profile in a wide shot. Maybe Drudge has the unsmeared tape somewhere? 16 Posted on 02/11/2000 13:13:34 PST by Plummz -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Its also possible that the quote was dreamed up to make the story better in the many times it has been repeated on the internet. 17 Posted on 02/11/2000 13:14:51 PST by Clinton's a rapist -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz "Are you implying a connection to the jogging video that showed up on Drudge and elsewhere?" Along with the 'Starbucks mug', and the former intern, and the womens' rights, and the 'Bimbo eruption' squad, .... My guess is that more than one 'somebody' in that group of joggers that morning knows the name and current whereabouts of the 'mystery' jogger. I'm sure our 'lamestream' media will track it down within 24 hours. {;~) 18 Posted on 02/11/2000 13:30:42 PST by d14truth -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Clinton's a rapist Of course! A juicy bit of misinformation like that is too good not to quote, which can be the point. BTW, I hope everything is going well in the Apple. I blew that burg about five months ago, myself. . . 19 Posted on 02/11/2000 13:35:30 PST by Plummz -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz "Shakes the Clown"... Damn, I wet my pants... Semper Fi 20 Posted on 02/11/2000 13:52:52 PST by Trident/Delta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Trident/Delta Heh heh. So did I when I saw some other FReeper use it yesterday. So, of course, I shamelessly swiped the nickname for my own use. 21 Posted on 02/11/2000 13:57:19 PST by Plummz -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Freeregards, hope you're having fun! At least you no longer have to deal with hitlery descending down on you like one of the harpies in Jason and the Argonauts. 22 Posted on 02/11/2000 17:15:52 PST by Clinton's a rapist -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Not only was Holder US Attorney for DC at the time, but Bush's former Assistant Attorney General Robert S. Mueller (who botched the BCCI case and helped convict Manuel Noriega) returned to the Justice Department in 1995 (after it was learned our nuclear secrets were stolen) and became the head of the HOMOCIDE SECTION FOR WASHINGTON DC. He remained in that position for most of the Mohoney "investigation" and left in mid-1998 when he was named as acting US Attorney for northern California. Northern California Federal district contains three of our weapons labs, the UC Board of Regents who oversee Los Alamos and Sandia labs, Stanford University and UC Berkeley (home to Chang Lin Tien, Condoleeza Rice, William Perry, Leon Panetta, Chelsea Clinton, et al), and San Francisco and Sacremento (home of Doris and Robert Matsui, Melinda Yee, Dianne Feinstein, et al)... 23 Posted on 02/11/2000 18:30:57 PST by John Huang Is A Chinese Spy -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Thanks for the heads-up. This is interesting. Didn't DOJ initially refuse to say whether Holder had any role in this decision? What was Holder doing meeting the press yesterday -- was this in place of Reno's weekly Thursday press conference? If Cooper had a decent defense lawyer, would he be able to get access to any of DOJ's internal deliberations? I would assume any death sentence could not survive the appeals process with a decent lawyer. Of course, the question is, how to make Cooper aware of that fact? Once he knew, the threat of the death penalty would lose most of its force in inducing him to cop a plea. 24 Posted on 02/11/2000 19:15:28 PST by aristeides ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: d14truth There was a picture of that jogger on Fr, I printed it and have the copy in my stack of keepers. I'll find it and see if there was a name given for the jogger. IMHO it was not MCM. 25 Posted on 02/11/2000 19:27:20 PST by fleebag -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides If Cooper had a decent defense lawyer He has Vernon Jordan's old buddy, Francis Carter, Monica's first lawyer. I'm sure he has Cooper's best interests at heart. 26 Posted on 02/11/2000 19:27:39 PST by Plummz -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: ftrader Francis D. Carter, the lawyer who helped Monica "arrange" her affidavit to keep from having to testify, is one of Cooper's lawyers And would it not be interesting to learn how he came to be Cooper's lawyer? And how he is being paid....does this guy have the bucks to get a high priced (I assume) lawyer? Strange. 27 Posted on 02/11/2000 19:28:50 PST by RJCogburn -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Yep, as far as we know it is indeed a myth. Another "fact" that has been repeated is that Caity Mahoney's tire was slashed, presumably to keep her from geting away. Does anyone know the original source of this information? Again, thanks for the posts on this topic. 28 Posted on 02/11/2000 19:46:53 PST by RJCogburn -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: RJCogburn, ALL Re: source of slashed tires. That is a good question. If anyone else on this thread has that info, please post it. 29 Posted on 02/11/2000 20:55:36 PST by Plummz -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Wil H Now I thought the DOJ was currently reviewing the accusation that Blacks get unfair treatment in the justice system and that they get a disproportionate amount of death sentences. So what do they do? Despite all the murders that occur in DC they pick on a black man to single out for the death penalty. Where's Jesse Jackson on this one ? Huh ! Good question, and why is the Justice Department so hot on this?? It was the cruel killing of 2 innocents, but the third,was a Whitehouse intern, maybe she knew tooo much about what was going on there. No evidence of theft in this "arkanside", just 3 dead kids?? Why is the Justice Department going against this man, who may or maynot be the killer?? BTW he was forced into his confession. Something fishy here?? 30 Posted on 02/11/2000 21:09:45 PST by Pitbow -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: RJCogburn, Plummz From the story on the Starbucks murders in the "Washington Post," July 8, 1997: Mahoney's silver 1994 Saturn sat alone in the parking lot adjacent to Starbucks, where she had left it the day before. The only possible indication that something had gone awry was a flat tire on the front passenger side of the car. Inside, the car was spotless, save for what looked like signs that Mahoney had recently spent time playing with a pet -- a dirty tennis ball, a plastic chew toy, a dog's brush and a red towel. Here's a link to a thread headed by this story: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36daebdd007e.htm . 31 Posted on 02/12/2000 09:39:13 PST by aristeides ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides Thanks for finding this. Just replied on the other thread you posted. 32 Posted on 02/12/2000 10:34:04 PST by RJCogburn -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides Cooper is being represented by Carter and Martin. Two lawyers who have links to Monica and her mother (small world). This was mentioned on Jeff Rense's show when he interviewed Carl Limbacher of Newsmax.com. My theory that Caitlyn was going to go public with sexual harassment might be correct. After all she didn't land a big government job. To get along you have to go along, like Monica. click here http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/1/23/05955 33 Posted on 02/12/2000 13:05:08 PST by rubbertramp -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides For those who don't like to be diverted... "Hoffman claims to have uncovered new details about Mary Mahoney's time at the White House, which, if true, suggest the White House alum could have played a key role in the Clinton sex scandal despite her own homosexuality: "For many months, Mary, an outspoken lesbian and good-hearted den mother for other young White House interns, had been listening to tearful stories from them about alleged sexual passes made at them by Bill Clinton. She'd begun to tell others she planned to do something to help them." 34 Posted on 02/12/2000 13:09:31 PST by rubbertramp -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: rubbertramp, Alamo-Girl I heard Carl Limbacher say on a radio clip that one William (some initial) Martin had been quoted in a newspaper article on the Starbucks case, and that he suspected -- but had not yet confirmed -- that this was the same Billy Martin who had been the lawyer of Monica's mother Marsha Lewis. Do you know of anything further connecting Martin and Cooper? I ask not just out of curiosity, but because I told Alamo-Girl I would tell her if and when I could confirm the connection. 35 Posted on 02/12/2000 13:37:56 PST by aristeides ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides Thanks for the heads up, aristeides! I'll be watching for a sourced confirmation!!! 36 Posted on 02/12/2000 13:45:31 PST by Alamo-Girl -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides William R. Martin, now working on Cooper's case, hasn't yet been established by Linbacher as being the Billy Martin who was Monica's mother's attorney; but it seems like a possibility. I must've heard the same clip. 37 Posted on 02/12/2000 14:35:14 PST by rubbertramp -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Alamo-Girl...ALL......This thread is representative of how to conduct research. BTTT!!!! 38 Posted on 02/12/2000 16:39:01 PST by eazdzit (You Teach What You Tolerate & Discourage what you don't.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: eazdzit Volley bump!!! 39 Posted on 02/12/2000 16:49:58 PST by Alamo-Girl -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Plummz Carter is to Cooper as Percy Foreman was to James Earl Ray. 40 Posted on 02/12/2000 18:00:13 PST by willyboyishere -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: willyboyishere As a way to bump this thread again, let me ask you to tell us about Percy Foreman. I take it he was James Earl Ray's defense lawyer, but I have to admit I don't remember ever having heard of him. 41 Posted on 02/12/2000 20:40:57 PST by aristeides ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: eazdzit It is an interesting thread, isn't it? 42 Posted on 02/13/2000 05:33:08 PST by aristeides ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: aristeides, Alamo-Girl It is an interesting thread, isn't it? And its gaining more interest: Monicagate Lawyer Representing Accused Starbucks Shooter a NewsMax article by Carl Limbacher just showed up. http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38ab11b114a1.htm 43 Posted on 02/16/2000 13:55:53 PST by flamefront -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: archy "It should be interesting to see who the defendant gets for legal counsel, as this one will *not* go to just any public defender." For posterity's sake, I'm linking the thread which answer's this question right here: Monicagate lawyer defends Mahoney Killer. It's absolutely surreal. 44 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:05:20 PST by Man -------------------------------------------------------------------- To: flamefront Jeepers! Since we're talking about Carter and Martin showing up time and again, I guess the Eric Holder repeat appearances should be remembered also: ERIC HOLDER : http://Alamo-Girl.com/03154.htm Disturbing... 45 Posted on 02/16/2000 14:27:42 PST by Alamo-Girl -------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. 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