Tara,
 
What a saint you are.  I for one thank you for this post.  I was astounded that June complained to my isp and barely noticed Ali.  I feel June's flaming was scads worse since she taunted me and challenged me about my knowledge of the Koran, which is zero firsthand and a bit more secondhand.  I answered as a way of discussion then she flamed.  Or, perhaps, soapboxed emotionally.  I felt she deliberately trapped me whereas Ali just flat out called me names.  To me there is a big difference.  Also June and I had a heated exchange in the past over Christianity, perhaps there is an element of unhealed wounds.
 
I think the problem with religion and this list is that most of us have strongly-held opinions, whether they represent truth or not, in areas where there are no easily accessible answers.  Mix in some strong personalities to go with those strong beliefs and you have a receipe for the freest of exchanges.
 
Anyway, about Koresh I believe he was too deluded to see he was jeopardizing people's lives (not the sexual abuse of the women, I'm talking about when he would not let people leave when the PTB were ready to cream the place).  Similar to Christian Scientists who let their kids die for lack of caring medical attention or Hyperfaith Christians who let ther kids die for lack of caring medical attention - and ps l am born again Christian.  It doesn't matter how much of the Bible one knows, or Koran one knows, one can still do wrong things and be convinced he she is doing right things.  Like my boss.
 
Thanks again Tara, you helped me alot.
Foxter
 

(snip)
You are a liar.  The only question is are you a knowing liar or just a fool.
If you are simply ignorant I suggest that you visit these sights for some
understanding.
(snip)

(snip)
Did you go to the sites? I have been reading your words and you don't appear
to be uneducated, so why would you speak such lies. You not only stated them
you went further by trying to support them. If I am wrong about this then
you were just being foolish...I left the choice open for you.
(snip)

You sent the list a number of emails that you recieved from private
citizens, without their permission.

Are you still posting private posts from lists you belong to onto message
boards?

I have no patience with you and your little conspiracy to try and convert
the world to your beliefs.

I was coming back to this list and when you found out you fairly shouted
with glee like you thought I couldn't get away from you. You got booted from
that one as I remember, for insulting people. The gloves are off. So tough.

And you brag about getting arrested as a martyr. What you don't tell people
is that the real reason you were arrested was for unpaid parking tickets,
and that the man you seem to hate, whom you rant about and libel constantly,
Clive Doyle, was kind enough to bail you out of jail. Give me a break. And
try telling the truth without all of the hatred and insults and
proclamations that I'm gonna burn in hell. Then maybe people will listen,
but I hope not. You're here for a reason and I pray that the spreading of
the teachings you espouse never flourish. But I also pray that those
responsible for any deaths at Koresh's compound are punished. Thing is I
believe Koresh is one of them.

Tara

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