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GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE
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V E R Y Disturbing Waco Revelations
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Neal Knox has some interesting commentary about Waco these days. Seems 'ol
Bill Clinton is up to his old ways again......
With Respect,
Gun Owners Alliance
Chris W. Stark - Director
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http://www.nealknox.com/alerts/msg00270.html
April 30 Neal Knox Report -- The internet lit up yesterday after Laurel,
MD, police reported finding the badly decomposed body of Carlos Ghigliotti,
42. Police were investigating the death as a possible homicide.
Until less than a month before he died, Ghigliotti was the infrared (FLIR)
expert examining the FBI's Waco tape for Chairman Dan Burton's House
Government Reform Committee.
Last October he told the Washington Post that "The gunfire from the ground
is there, without a doubt."
He had told private Waco researcher Dave Hardy much more -- and shown him
a first-generation version of the FBI FLIR video shot the day of the final
fire. That verson showed shots and a visible bullet trace, Hardy said, and
the Branch Davidian who the shot had missed.
Ghigliotti had also spotted someone taking a firing stance who had been
filmed by a long-range commercial television video -- at the time and spot
where the FBI FLIR tape showed a gun flash.
Hardy, a meticulous researcher whom I've known over 25 years, had been
provided a lot of information by Ghigliotti including the preliminary
report he gave the Burton committee last month -- when he gave a final
briefing to both the Republican and Democrat staffs.
That was apparently the only summary of Ghigliotti's findings outside the
committee. Dave wrote himself an insurance policy earlier tonight by posting
a lengthy article on NewsMax.com based on information Ghigliotti had given
him. I have reason to believe that Dave has also given a copy of Ghigliotti's
preliminary report to certain members of the press.
By the way, immediately after the "reenactment" of the FLIR videotaping
last month at Ft. Hood, Ghigliotti told Dave the test was worthless for
the helicopter wasn't at the same altitude, the temperature was 20 degrees
lower, and certain calibration tests had not been done.
He was dead before the American-owned British aerospace firm that did the
tests told Judge Walter Smith that the apparent gunflashes seen on the FBI
FLIR were only reflections.
Dave's article may be found at:
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/4/30/155105
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http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/4/30/160306
Report to Congress on Infrared Footage at Waco
The following is a summary of conclusions reached by Carlos Ghigliotti, an
infrared film expert. Mr. Ghigliotti completed this report as a consultant
to the Congress. He determined federal officials had, in fact, fired into
the Koresh compound.
Summary of the most important events that occurred on April 19, 1993
A complete analysis of the FLIR videotape (#3) taken between 10:41:57 and
12:16:13 was made using the equipment listed in volume 1.
An electronic grid was placed on the videotape and divided into 4 quadrants.
The top left section is quadrant 1 or (Q1). The top right section is quadrant
2 or (Q2). The bottom left section is quadrant 3 or (Q3) and the bottom right
section is quadrant 4 or (Q4). A videotape was recorded with this grid
pattern and provided.
At 11:16:27 the tank or CEV (combat engineering vehicle) first appears.
At 11:18:40-Q1 the tank starts to demolish the rear wall of the gym. This
continues on until 12:09:02-Q3 when the tank leaves the rear area of the
gym. There were a total of 19 instances that the tank penetrated the gym.
At 11:23:02-Q3 & Q4 the tank has penetrated the gym for the 6th time.
At 11:23:23 the tank is completely inside the gym.
At 11:24:17-Q2 two unknown subjects appear from underneath the tank.
Between 11:24:30:16-Q2 and 11:24:36-Q1 the unknown subjects shoot into the
hole made by the tank in the gym wall.
Between 11:24:50-Q4 and 11:25:04 there is a response in the form of gunfire
from the inside of the gym directed at the 2 unknown subjects.
At 11:26:04-Q2 the tank breaks through the front wall of the gym.
Between 11:26:13-Q1 and 11:26:27-Q1 additional gunfire comes out of the
gym directed at the 2 unknown subjects. This gunfire has pinned down the
2 unknown subjects on the ground.
At 11:26:26-Q1 the tank backs over the 2 unknown subjects. The approximate
height of the tank is 20 inches and 6 feet in width between the tracks.
At 11:26:39-Q4 one of the 2 unknown subjects is clearly visible exiting out
the hole in the front wall of the gym the tank previously made. The unknown
subject turns to the right into the courtyard.
Between 11:28:04-Q1 and 11:28:14:04-Q4 there is gunfire emitting from the
position the unknown subject was seen at 11:26:39-Q4 (the courtyard) the
direction of this gunfire is into the structure.
Between 11:28:18-Q4 and 11:28:22-Q4 there is a response of gunfire coming
out of the structure.
Between 11:30:09-Q4 and 11:30:15-Q4 there is gunfire from the same area in
the courtyard directed into the structure.
At 11:33:51-Q4 there is gunfire between the gym wall and the swimming pool.
The direction of this gunfire is into the structure (possibly unknown subject
#2) since the infrared signature from this weapon is different from the
rounds fired in the courtyard.
At 11:34:32-Q4 there is one gunshot directed at the unknown subject on
11:34:33-Q3 that is running and hiding between the gym and the swimming pool.
Between 11:34:33-Q3 and 11:34:34-Q3 unknown subject is being shot at.
Between 11:34:45-Q4 and 11:38:31-Q3 there is gunfire coming out of the
structure.
Between 11:38:34-Q3 and 11:38:36-Q3 an unknown subject is seen hiding in
front of the tank.
At 11:43:34-Q4 is the 3rd time the tank enters the front middle section of
the structure. This is the side facing the cameras from the media. The tank
enters the front part of the structure on numerous occasions and is fired
upon every time it enters the structure.
Between 11:43:36-Q4 and 11:59:03-Q3 there is gunfire from the second floor
front side directed at the tank.
At 12:03:59-Q2 unknown subject appears next to the tank in the rear of the
structure.
At 12:05:17-Q2 1st time the tank inserts the boom into the corner of the
front tower.
At 12:07:42-Q4 the fire is now visible in the infrared spectrum coming out
from the window of the second story tower.
At 12:08:12-Q4 unknown subject comes out of the tank and shows up at
12:08:51-Q3 shooting at the other unknown subject that appears at
12:08:34-Q4.
Between 12:08:31-Q4 and 12:08:32-Q3 a cluster of thermal anomalies appear
at the corner of the gym.
Between 12:08:34-Q4 and 12:08:44-Q4 unknown subject runs from the area
where the thermal anomalies are. The subject hops over the rubble and
hides in the gym.
Between 12:08:51-Q3 and 12:08:52-Q3 there is automatic gunfire into the
area where the unknown subject at 12:08:44-Q4 was hiding.
12:09:02-Q3 rear tank leaves the area.
Between 12:10:41-Q3 and 12:11:15-Q1 numerous rounds of gunfire are shot
from the center of the courtyard and all are directed into the structure.
No additional events of importance are viewable due to the fire overloading
the detector on the FLIR.
CONCLUSIONS:
No additional gunfire is detectable on the videotape because the infrared
detector on the FLIR overloaded with the infrared energy emitted by the
fire. The gunfire did continue on. There is visible video evidence taken
by the media to support this and there is gunfire recorded on the audio
track of the aerial FLIR tape #4 taken by the same aircraft.
Total number of gunfire shots coming out of the structure 69
Total number of gunfire shots going into the structure* 57
Total number of flash devices 1 cluster
SUB TOTAL 127
Total number of times the tanks penetrated into the structure** 33
Total number of times the tanks penetrated thru the structure 1
TOTAL NUMBER OF EVENTS 161
� *THERE ARE 3 THERMAL FLASHES WHERE THE WEAPON USED, HAD A POSSIBLE FLASH
SUPPRESSOR DEVICE INSTALLED, THEY OCCURRED AT 11:24:31:28, 11:24:35:10 AND
11:28:14:13. THEREFORE THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT MORE THAN ONE ROUND OF
AMMUNITION WAS FIRED DURING EACH OF THE 3 EVENTS. ALTHOUGH ONLY ONE ROUND OF
AMMUNITION WAS USED AS THE AMOUNT FIRED FOR THIS LIST. � **AFTER REVIEWING
THE VIDEOTAPE NUMEROUS TIMES. THE FOLLOWING PATTERN APPEARED, WITH ONLY A
FEW EXCEPTIONS. THE BRANCH DAVIDIANS SHOT AT THE TANKS, ONLY AFTER THE TANKS
PENETRATED THE STRUCTURE. TOTAL NUMBER OF TIMES, UNKNOWN SUBJECTS APPEAR ON
THE FLIR VIDEOTAPE. 7
TOTAL NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN 10:41:57 AND 12:16:13 (FLIR
TAPE #3) 198
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http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/4/29/195847
Another Waco Death
NewsMax.com
April 30, 2000
Death has once again claimed a figure in a case involving the Clinton
administration - this time a key expert witness in the Waco investigation
who insisted that he found compelling evidence that an FBI agent fired
shots during the final showdown at the Branch Davidian compound. Police
say they are investigating the death as a murder.
"We're investigating it as a homicide," said Laurel, Maryland police
spokesman Jim Collins of the death of Carlos Ghigliotti, an expert in
analysis of infrared film technology who had worked for Rep. Dan Burton�s
House Government Reform Committee during its investigation of the events
surrounding the government siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco,
Tex., in 1993.
Ghigliotti�s badly decomposed body was discovered at his house where he
operated Infrared Technologies, Inc., yesterday around 1:30 p.m. after
police were alerted by his building manager who hadn�t seen him for
several weeks and was concerned about him.
His body was taken to the chief medical examiner's office in Baltimore
for an autopsy.
Last October, Ghigliotti, a nationally recognized expert in thermal imaging
and videotape, told Burton�s committee that his analysis of tapes at Waco
indicated that an FBI agent fired shots at the Branch Davidian Mt. Carmel
compound on April 19, the day the siege ended with the incineration of more
than 80 men, women and children.
His analysis was challenged by the FBI.
He remained a key figure in the ongoing probe of the incident, especially
since preliminary findings by British experts retained by the court hearing
the Branch Davidian $100 million wrongful death lawsuit alleged that there
had been no gunfire, a finding diametrically opposite from Ghigliotti�s,
and one he was certain to challenge.
His death leaves a gaping hole in the investigation since he was the most
important and skilled expert in the field familiar with the evidence in
the Waco case.
The lead plaintiff�s attorney in the case, Michael Caddell told the
Washington Post that only recently he�d been in touch with Ghigliotti who
he said he planned to retain because of his expertise and the fact that
his first expert in the field was no longer available because of a recent
stroke.
Caddell told the Post that just two weeks ago he wrote to Waco Special
Counsel John C. Danforth, urging that he interview Ghigliotti immediately.
Caddell added that he'd heard of Ghigliotti's death yesterday from Rep.
Dan Burton (R-Ind.). He said police called Burton because they found his
business card in Ghigliotti's pocket.
Michael McNulty, the producer of the documentary film about Waco that
sparked the reopening of the investigation, said he had been looking
forward to seeing Ghigliotti's conclusions. "My impression is that the
work he did was significant and important."
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