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It's important to perceive how this kind of manipulation plays right into
the understandably compelling subconscious desire to completely "block it
all out", on the part of anyone who has realized they were involved in such
an endeavor. As noted above this version of reality regarding the Phoenix
Project is how the current spin is shaping up in general. Another very
significant point regarding the situation with Duncan Cameron is how
exceptionally farreaching the tentacles of the secret government must be in
order to contrive and execute these kinds of "control" operations on a such
a direct and personal level.
WHAT'S REAL IS REAL
It must be noted here that this body of information in general regarding the
Montauk Project has unfortunately been given a highly undeserved bad rap--of
course from the mainstream press but from a number of "conspiracy"
researchers/authors as well, among others.
Apparently things as trivial as Mr. Nichols weight cause these folks to
impugn his integrity and credibility; as well, the allegations he and other
principals from the Montauk Project experiments have leveled concerning
points such as that there were generally malicious extraterrestrial races
deeply involved in things like the Montauk Project and related/similar
covert projects, have caused certain people to reject out of hand the firmly
substantiated and verified existence of a subterranean installation beneath
Montauk Air Force Station and credible, amply corroborated accounts of
extraordinary activities conducted in said installation.
No doubt some of these researchers and investigators also have difficulty
accepting certain of these alleged activities as being scientifically
possible or real.
For example, one of the fundamentals of the entire project is "psychotronic"
technology, or the interfacing of mind to computer. Psychotronics does
work--this is an established scientific fact--and is utilized in fully
functional online technology in countless applications at this juncture. I
cite solid evidence to support this within my report. Sorry folks, if you
don't like the idea of it; neither do I. Ignoring or denying it won't make
it go away however.
I believe the scientific validity of both the interdimensional and mind
control aspects of the Montauk operation has been reasonably well
established. To the extent which the information about the Montauk Project
seems scientifically questionable, I would remind readers that the entire
history of science has been thoroughly manipulated like nearly everything
else, and the true state of scientific advancement is definitely being kept
from the public and in fact from many scientists. Indeed even Einstein and
certain contemporaries were fed manipulated and incomplete data during the
development of the theories of relativity and Unified Field Theory, and
subsequently so were other physicists during the development of quantum
physics. I quote some very intriguing material from Byron Weeks in exploring
this very topic in a section called Scientific Manipulations And False Data
further on in the report.
Another aspect of the Montauk Project which many have difficulty in
accepting is the alleged development and use of "time portal" or "tunnel"
technology, allowing Project operators access to both other dimensions and
other periods of "time".
Granted, on the face of it, it's a little hard to swallow for many of us
raised on a steady, even exclusive diet of extensively--perhaps
totally--spin doctored, controlled and manipulated information, news and the
like; and an educational system which basically exists to reinforce these
severe limits on personal awareness, creativity, and knowledge in general;
as part of the ongoing and extremely pervasive social control of the
"masses" by the "powers that be". Regardless of how hard it may be to
accept, the truth is that there is solid scientific proof of the existence
of other dimensions, and equally solid proof that time travel is most
definitely NOT PROHIBITED by any of the known and accepted laws of physics.
I feel confident that I successfully address within my report such
reservations on the part of many intelligent people as to whether or not
time travel is possible. According a great number of some of the most
brilliant minds in contemporary physics, time travel is very possible; some
of these will even concede that it may have already been accomplished,
though very few are cognizant of the fact that it actually has been.
There is some additional hard evidence on the existence of this underground
facility as of the first week of February 1998; a sealed entrance to the
underground was demolished in what would probably have been some sort of
"hostile" paramilitary action; additionally a securely locked and guarded
entrance gate was thoroughly smashed and demolished.
The same thing happened as well about 5 months ago to the main entrance to
the property. The implications of this, backed up by some very solid
evidence, are discussed in this report update.
Another "manhole"-type underground entrance had remained only incompletely
covered by a large boulder for many months, and visible through the opening
was the metal ladder bolted to the wall of the shaft below. This entrance
was thoroughly closed up with a removable (given the requisite heavy
equipment) cement cap and the whole thing then buried under a dumptruck load
of dirt--right after I visually inspected the entrance in late June 1998.
Weird. And, a rather strong indication that this entrance is to some degree
active.
CORROBORATIVE INFORMATION AND TESTIMONY
THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, VALLEE, "DUDGEON", MARSHALL BARNES AND THE
DEBUNKER DEBUNKED
Jacques Vallee, a fairly well-known and "credible" UFO researcher, who I
discovered several years ago has had substantial and verifiable links to
intelligence/military agencies in the U.S. going back 30 or more years (in
other words he was a high-level spook and disinfo agent who was recruited
from France, and worked with J. Allen Hynek and other spook/scientists for
Air Force Intelligence and similar groups; initially at the Batelle
Institute near Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio), published a report in 1994
which purported to totally debunk the Philadelphia Experiment and show that
it was a hoax.
The problem is, Vallee's own article itself was complete and utter bullshit,
utilizing as it's primary source one "Edward Dudgeon", some phony with
absolutely no credibility who has been conclusively proved a liar--and thus
by extension Vallee has been so proved as well. The person who busted these
clowns is named Marshall Barnes, an independent researcher who in addition
has heavily and thoroughly investigated the Phoenix Project from
Philadelphia all the way through the Montauk Project, and has found SOLID
evidence to support many of the major claims being made about Phoenix, as
well as scientific data and so forth which prove that many of the claims are
quite possible.
Vallee and Bernhard Haisch, Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of Scientific
Exploration which published Vallee's article and has refused to disclaim or
otherwise back off it, have become the target of an ongoing private
investigation focusing on them having promoted research fraud.
Proof which shows Jacques Vallee's article to be an outright fraud has been
made public by Barnes, leaving no room for doubt that the world famous UFO
researcher was an active participant in an official coverup effort.
Barnes shows irrefutably that there was on the part of the Navy and other
government agencies: 1.) a strong agenda to make a ship both radar and sight
invisible; 2.) knowledge of the physics by which this can be done; and 3.)
possession of the technology by which this physics could be applied in the
field.
Apparently these facts are so disturbing to the "powers that be" that they
have in desperation engaged or coerced two well known scientists into
perpetrating a bizarre act of deliberate scientific debauchery; risking
their names, reputations and those of any organizations they may belong to.
The so-called Dudgeon reportedly told Vallee, "Your book Revelations was
wrong about making the ship invisible to radar: the Germans hadn't deployed
radar at the time..." Dudgeon is referring to the summer of 1943. Without
any question whatsoever the German navy had radar on their ships before
WWII. There is information posted on a website at http://www.cnd.net/ ~kais/
navy/ raiders.htm which provides hard factual data regarding the Nazi's
development of radar. By scrolling down to the third and fourth paragraphs
under the heading:The pocket battleship Admiral Scheer, can find information
on how these same radar systems were used to devastating and deadly effect
against Allied ships and crew. The so-called Dudgeon's comments on this
point, as on so many others, are utterly worthless drivel.
As for the entire issue about Dudgeon's "credentials" and papers which
supposedly support his contention that he was even in the Navy at the
Philadelphia Yard during this time--the "papers" he showed Vallee are
completely insignificant and prove nothing of the sort. In fact not even
Vallee has said anything about seeing any hard documentation/confirmation of
these critical elements of Dudgeon's story, and Dudgeon, as we see, is
untrustworthy at best. Vallee doesn't even describe what kind of
"identification" papers he saw. Who really knows if this so-called Edward
Dudgeon is even Edward Dudgeon! In light of the following evidence of his
blatantly untruthful testimony, this issue of his real identity becomes
especially significant.
One of the main points which Dudgeon (or whoever) and Vallee make which they
say gives the lie to claims about the Philadelphia Experiment has to do with
the dates of the shakedown cruise for a number of vessels. Dudgeon claims
that The Eldridge accompanied his ship, the DE 50, U.S.S. Engstrom and two
other ships on shakedown together during the first week of July. Surprise!
The Navy's own official records for the Eldridge show that the ship wasn't
even launched until July 25, didn't receive its commissioned crew until
August 27 and then didn't go on its shakedown cruise until September. It was
within the period of time between July 25 and August 27 that a skeleton crew
could and would have been used in the clandestine experiments, as they would
not be listed as the official commissioned crew and thus any tracing of them
would be as pretty much impossible. Barnes says, "I assure you that these
dates are accurate because they reflect the same information that I got from
three different published official Navy ship record sources, as well as
other books that have quoted the same records."
At this point Vallee's article and the "testimony" which make up the bulk of
it are shown clearly and unargueably to be the complete garbage that they
truly are.
Why then, and at whose direction, have editor Bernard Haisch and his Journal
of Scientific Exploration refused to issue a disclaimer regarding this work
of outrageous fraud and in fact continue to publish it on their website and
doubtless elsewhere also? Very good questions but most likely also
rhetorical ones. Undoubtedly relevant is the fact that Vallee for one reason
or another deemed it desirable his report "reviewed" and obviously censored
or "cleared" by one "Vice-Admiral William D. Houser". Hmmm...
Very interesting as well is the fact that apparently a false connection was
made by Dudgeon between the "St. Elmo's Fire" phenomenon and the witness
descriptions of the visual phenomenon observed during the Philadelphia
Experiment; that is, that the phenomenon in fact does more than just impart
to a ship a greenish, glowing aura due to the coronal discharge, but can
also have the effect of rendering the ship relatively invisible to sight,
and presumably to radar as well.
However, this claim only came up in a summary of Vallee's "research" into
Dudgeon's claims and on a TV interview of Dudgeon by Vallee, and is not
mentioned in the article itself, which was reviewed by the Vice-Admiral. St.
Elmo's Fire was mentioned by Dudgeon only as a disinformation ploy, to
provide a false explanation for any bizarre conditions noted by a number of
eyewitnesses regarding the condition of the USS Eldridge. No mention was
made in the printed article to the effect that St. Elmo's Fire can also
result in invisibility--something much more significant from a defense or
"covert operations" point of view than some greenish glow, and which if true
would indeed logically have a direct relation to the Philadelphia Experiment
technology itself. If this were really true then there WOULD be a
scientifically valid way to make a vessel or other object invisible--by
merely replicating the effects of St. Elmo's Fire! Thus the Vice-Admiral
would have advised Vallee to remove this material from the printed article,
regardless of the fact that Dudgeon's yarn about St. Elmo's Fire is false
and was only originally offered at all as way of explaining the other
accounts which attest to the ship becoming invisible.
A POSSIBLE PERSONAL LINK
I have had a number of personal contacts with Preston Nichols, a few with
Peter Moon, and have conversed with both of them of the phone many times;
and with Al Bielek several times. Nichols did a "Reichian" (according to
methods developed by Wilhelm Reich) energy reading on me during our very
first personal meeting and he concluded that there were extremely strong
indications of a personal involvement in the Montauk Project on my part.
This reading was however somewhat cursory and incomplete, because at one
point I became intensely emotional about something related to my childhood
and my family, feelings which definitely seemed to be connected to the
entire business.
Although we were not able to pursue it at the time, I felt distinctly that,
along with whatever else had been going on with me personally in relation to
the Project, the entire matter had a sizable and negative though hidden
effect on our entire family and was responsible for a certain amount of
emotional turmoil, pain, and disruption. This is all a subjective
impression--at this point in time I have no hard evidence to back that
aspect of things up. Nichols felt that my skills in communications could
have been utilized in dealings with ETs; he also picked up from my energy
patterns that I had several implants, and that I had been used in time
travel experimentation as well. Other definite indications of some kind of
direct personal involvement in some aspects of the Montauk Project were
discussed in my first report on the Project.
Other strongly suggestive memories, impressions, vivid dreams and
experiences of mine, most of which material is covered in Part 4 of my
initial report Montauk Air Force Station--Active Or Not?, indicate a
definite likelihood of some type of connection to or involvement with the
Montauk Project on my part, very possibly beginning at a rather young age.
My trip to eastern Long Island in the summer of 1998, which included a
number of side trips to Montauk, showed a possible link between the
underground facility at the WW 2 Navy submarine base on Montauk's Fort Pond
Bay and some peculiar experiences of mine as a child, during the time my
family began vacationing right up the road from this area in 1959 and 1960.
This relates to an exceptionally vivid dream/nightmare, one I can remember
to this day, from when I was 5-6 years old. Not the standard fare of goblins
or monsters threatening to gobble one up: this dream presented, it would
seem, an scenario more along the lines of what "Dr. Jonas", in the movie
Conspiracy Theory, described as the focus of his "work" as a "research"
scientist for the CIA in the field of mind control as part of the well-known
MK-ULTRA program--which was terminal sensory deprivation. There is a stong
factual link here to the ubiquitous and repugnant "dean of modern
psychiatry" Ewen Cameron and his MK-ULTRA experimentation at McGill
University and Allen Memorial Insitute in Montreal, Canada during the 1950s
and 1960s. Cameron, who had made no secret of his slavering admiration for
the monsters and butchers of Begen-Belsen and indeed for the entire Nazi
movment in all aspects, rightly viewed his psychotic and brutal "work" for
the CIA and other agencies as a continuation of the experiments carried out
by the Nazis upon their millions of helpless human victims. Circumstantial
evidence and a number of personal accounts indicate that similar operations
were in fact also being conducted on Long Island, probably at Camp Hero,
Fort Pond Bay Naval Base in Montauk, and at Brookhaven Labs during this time
period, perhaps involving Ewen Cameron himself.
The main image in this early childhood dream was of being naked, freezing
cold, and huddled on the floor of a featureless, cement cube or "box" of
some kind, perhaps 12-15 cubic feet; the atmosphere was chilly and very
damp. My terror increased substantially when I observed that liquid of some
kind was beginning to enter holes in this cube, and the implications was
that at some point I would drown. Naturally I woke up screaming from that
one. An interesting point is that my family did not own a TV and our trips
to the movies were fairly infrequent. At that age and at that period of time
I can't imagine where or how I could have "picked up" or otherwise
appropriated such a terrifying image from any conceivable source.
The memory of this dream experience as noted has stayed with me since that
time, and now that I am aware of the Montauk Project and related operations
on Long Island at the time I was growing up there I've wondered if perhaps
this dream was a psychic bleed through of some horrific event actually
experienced by me. Interesting then to notice on my recent trip to the old
WW2 Navy submarine base at Fort Pond Bay in Montauk, a old concrete cube
about 12-15 cubic feet in dimension right at the shore line, obviously some
structure related to the submarine pens on the Bay here. This is less than a
half mile from the hotel on Fort Pond, which is where my family began
vacationing on eastern Long Issland, when I was about 6 years old. Hmmm...
OTHER CORROBORATIVE INFORMATION
Michelle Guerin, who has uncovered within herself buried memories of some
very traumatic and significant events at Camp Hero and nearby Ditch Plains,
has provided the following information on a number of points concerning the
Montauk Project and related issues (Michelle has a web site detailing some
of her Montauk experiences at--http://members.aol.com/nymush/ sands.html).
"Preston Nichols states in his books that he worked for "BJM" (note:
"BJM"="AIL"), a well known defense contractor on Long Island. While a
pseudonym has been used for the company in order to protect himself from
possible lawsuits, I have a friend that did indeed work with Preston at a
well know defense contractor on Long Island.
"I have an uncle that is very familiar with the area around Montauk, as he
spent most of his summers there, from childhood through adulthood. Up until
3 years ago, he owned a home in Montauk. My uncle has some very unusual
memories concerning something that happened at the camp when he was younger.
At the time, his family summered at a campsite near Camp Hero. Due to an
impending hurricane, the residents of the campsite were evacuated to the
base. All of the children were housed in a separate building, on the second
floor. During the night, he woke up and recalled seeing a face at the
window, and was mesmerized by the eyes. He's never forgotten this. Remember,
he was on the second floor! He only related this story to me after I told
him of my own experiences at Montauk.
"My cousin (his daughter) then told me of her memories of Montauk. Every
summer when they arrived there, for about a two week period, she would
experience an unusual "sensation"... she would feel depressed, uneasy and
lethargic for no apparent reason. Then she said it was as if she would get
used to the sensation, and it no longer bothered her. She had never
mentioned this to her family until I started to ask about Montauk.
"I myself have been to Montauk and can attest to the strange "vibes" there.
My psychic antennae seems to be most affected in an area near the location
of the Sage radar dish, along a stretch of an isolated road known as Old
Montauk Hwy. We had been able to verify (through the use of an EMF
detector), anomalous EM readings in that location."
--� Michelle Guerin
I got a very noteworthy email from a woman in the New York area regarding
the fateful day of August 12, 1983, when the major phase of the Montauk
Project "crashed and burned". Judith wrote to me as follows.
"I live in the tri-state area so your article interested me. I did some
research at the New York Public Library a couple of months ago on the
Philadelphia Experiment--supposedly the ship which disappeared-reappeared in
Montauk August 1983--I was living in Manhattan at the time and I clearly
remember a late night news broadcast about this ship reappearing and the
reporter saying the base was totally closed, nobody could get in to check it
out. But, I could not find anything in the local newspapers about it from
1983. What I DID find was that the entire midtown area in Manhattan lost ALL
electrical power at about the time the ship was supposed to have shown up.
The subways were virtually stopped. The outage was so severe as to have
crippled midtown for an entire three-four days before it could be restored.
I seem to remember this too back in 1983. There is no mention in the papers
about WHY this occurred."
--Judith
Several other individuals from the New York/Long Island area with whom I
have spoken also recall seeing a spot on local news about the military
vessel which appeared mysteriously off Montauk Point for at least a few days
that August.
The following, written by Stephanie Chesler, was posted by Ellie Crystal on
her web site.
"I read with great interest your material about Montauk in the Universal
Updates. I grew up in a small town called Port Jefferson on Long Island's
north shore, about half way to Montauk from the city. My father worked with
a division of Grumman Aerospace on top secret projects that involved the
Navy, and I remember our neighbors often told my mother that the FBI had
come around the neighborhood to "check" out my father's activities in the
community. I remember him speaking about rumors of an underground base at
Montauk."
"My neighbor across the street was a scientist of some sort that worked with
government. He never revealed to me exactly what he did, but he had some
very complicated electronic apparatus in his garage that I was fascinated
with. I babysat his children twice a week, and I would always take a peek in
the garage after I had put them to bed. When I questioned him about the
purpose of the instruments, he blew me off with a wrong answer. I knew
enough that he was lying, as I was keenly interested in science at that
time, having won first place in the High School Suffolk County Science Fair
two years in a row.
"The other strange thing was that they were definitely under some kind of
guard or surveillance that my neighbor was completely aware of. There were
frequent visits by unmarked cars parked in front of their house, always with
two men in the front seat. Very weird for a quiet suburban neighborhood!! My
father was told it was government job related, not to worry about it. When I
was in my sophomore year at school (1976-77), my neighbor hurriedly asked me
to watch his children for a weekend, while he and his wife looked for a
house to relocate in Montauk. They told me they had bought a pharmacy there.
The move was completed in less than two weeks. Strange though, when I drove
to Montauk to return a book I had borrowed the family had vanished! There
was only one pharmacy in Montauk at that time, and they had never heard of
my neighbor. I never saw them again.
"Another interesting thing was that I frequently did see a greenish glow in
the sky, always on cold winter nights in the direction of Montauk. I
wouldn't say it was a beam, but it was definitely localized in certain areas
of the sky. When I told my science teachers that I had seen this occur, they
told me I was imagining it, as we were too far south to observe an aurora
borealis type of sky. But I know my family and I saw it!
"Here is the strangest story of all. My family frequently went to Wildwood
State Park just east of Shoreham. I remember always passing a small sign on
a metal fence gate off what was then a two lane road that read TESLA
Research Station. On this particular day my family decided to take a walk on
the beach, which is composed of pebbles, not sand. I lagged behind at quite
a distance, picking up beautiful pebbles and looking for frosted sea glass.
All of a sudden I froze as I sensed a "wall" of energy enveloping me. It had
moved rapidly from off the Long Island Sound, heading from the north to
south. I didn't like it at all, and somehow I felt trapped. I seemed to move
in slow motion, as if thick honey had been poured over me. When I screamed
to my family for help, my screams seemed to bounce back at me as if
deflected by some invisible wall. They never even looked at me. But I was
struggling with all my might to break free of this energy. I was very cold
and sobbing and my heart was pounding very quickly. I ran toward my family,
with a huge effort, and I felt a resistance, sort of like traveling through
a wall of very thick jello, then a pop as I began to more easily run like a
devil was after me. My father looked up in a panic when he saw my state, and
told me they hadn't seen me at all for the last few minutes. After all was
said and done, my "adventure" was chalked up to an overactive imagination. I
was told I read too much and I was actually teased quite a bit about this
incident.
"Well, there are some of my wild stories!! I never did figure out what
happened to me on the beach at Wildwood, but my family can tell you I never
went to that section of the beach again!"
--� Stephanie Chesler
Christine Oliva wrote to me with some very intriguing recollections of her
childhood on Long Island with a father deeply involved in covert government
/military projects and a knowledge of the underground at Montauk, as well as
her own experiences working at numerous defense contractors on Long Island
herself.
"I was wondering if you are aware that there are underground tunnels leading
from AIL to who knows where, I suspect that the tunnels lead to Montauk and
also Brookhaven Labs.
"I grew up on Long Island, my father was involved with black projects for
many years during his career as a electronic engineer, mathematician,
designer and inventor. He was definitely involved with the manufacturing of
microchips and helped to design one so that it may go into some of the
spaceships that we sent to outer space. All of the work he did for our
government was top security cleared, his history follows from WW ll with
Nazi technology.
"Not to get off the subject of AIL, I worked there among other places and my
work was also security cleared although not as high a clearance as my
father. AIL is priority on my mind because of the extensive interrogation I
got there from the persons doing the security clearances, these people
definitely were not your average guy on the street. They looked mean, and
acted very cold, I felt as if I were being inspected under a microscope.
"This was the first time I felt like this while being cleared for security.
I will never forget it. They asked the most ridiculous questions, and
expected me to remember my grandparents histories, and asked me also if I
could remember more than that regarding my family's history.
"After I passed their interrogations, (seemed like hours for me! and their
staring at me was very uncomfortable), I had to go for drug and other
medical examinations in order to satisfy their qualifications. These people
were not playing around!
"After a few months working at AIL, their were rumors that there were many
stairways leading to secret doors that lead to underground tunnels and parts
of the building you could not get to unless you knew how and where they
were. It was as if there was another part of the building hidden away from
everyone else.
"One day I was approached by a fellow whom I did not know well, he started
talking about these secret entrances, I now feel as if he was testing me out
for some reason. I acted surprised at what he was telling me, because I was!
I heard rumors before, but thought they were just that. He asked me if I
believed what he was saying, and I sort of doubted him (I am the type of
person who does not fall for rumours easily), and when he saw the doubt on
my face, he asked me if I would like to see what he was talking about. I
said to myself something was wrong here, who was this person?, why was he
approaching me with this information?, and why didn't he care if he got
caught?, the red flags were thrown up for me!, I followed my intuition that
danger was near. I felt very uneasy and angered that he would suggest such a
thing to me knowing very well how dangerous it was. I said to him no thank
you, and didn't he realize the dangerous situation he would be putting the
both of us in? He laughed and said "Oh come on, nothing is going to
happen"!. I said again no thanks and walked angrily away. I know he was not
lying! And I still cannot figure out why he chose me among all of the rest
to tell me this, and to try to persuade me to go along with him. I can only
thank God that I did not follow him out of curiosity.
" So there is my story about AIL and the underground tunnels and secret
doorways to who knows where. Again my gut feelings say that most of Long
Island has these underground tunnels leading from military outposts,
electronic manufacturing facilities, military airports, etc. I believe that
Brookhaven labs is also intertwined underground with the rest.
"I now know that because of working at the places I did, and the type of
work I did, I was definitely controlled in some way, since childhood I might
add, and suspect that ELF waves were used on me and who knows what else. My
memory has been definitely affected. The time sequence is a mess for me
remembering those years. In other words, I can remember important events,
but not the sequence in which they occurred. Very frustrating to say the
least. Everything is scrambled for me."
A further message from Ms. Olivo revealed the following.
"Ok, first of all I had no idea that Nichols worked at AIL too! Amazing!,
who knows?, I probably brushed shoulders with him and didn't know it. Or at
least my mind won't let me remember it! I am hoping that my father being old
now, and probably retired, won't care anymore. I am of course not on
speaking terms with him sad to say, because I know within my heart, he knows
a mouthful and more! He definitely knows about alien technology. He said
some very important things to me about it when I was very young, and now
when I reflect back, alien technology was his forte.
"My father did some really awful things to my deceased mother and me while I
was growing up and later on. This included brainwashing, hypnosis, and God
only knows what else he did in his laboratory in our family's basement home.
I do believe that the phenomena that took place during those years was due
to his meddling around down in the basement of our home with all kinds of
equipment, radars, oscillators, generators, I know for a fact that the
company he worked for, Loral--located in Vermont and then Long Island,
loaned him all of that equipment, some of it was way to expensive for him to
buy on his own, and why would he when the company gave him all of it.
"He would go to his regular job daytime, and then come home to continue his
job in the basement. This went on for thirty years, and the last time I saw
the basement, he added computers that he built himself to do God knows what.
Even though my father being as such, he is still my father, and I haven't
come to the point yet in revealing his name to anyone. For some reason I
still feel protective of him, but if there were someone I could really
trust, I guess I would reveal his name as long as I was kept updated to what
was found concerning him, and given the truth, and guaranteed that no harm
would come to him. I wouldn't even mind someone asking him questions, but he
is tight lipped, believe me. Now that all of this stuff has come out, he
might not be."
--� Christine Olivo
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