yair davidi wrote:
>
> At 10:59 PM 5/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >5/23/00
> >
> >It's over now Yair. Genetics have put an end to your con game. No more
> >extracting
> >book money from those pathetic Biblical Israelite wannabes.
> >
> >You should be made to pay back every penny you got from these idiots.
>
> you are the idiot not they.
No they are idiots and you are fleecing them. I don't care about them, but
I am glad you will wind up looking the fraud you are.
> >If I lived in Israel, I would have you and those Bible Code con men arrested
> >for intentionally defrauding the public.
> >
> >Find new snake oil to sell the idiots buddy, this con is over. Genetic
> markers
> >have defined who's who.
> You may have seen some news reports dated May 9 concerning another
> Y-chromosome test of the male lineage of Ashkenazi Jews,
> which asserts that all Jews are descended from a common Middle Eastern
> ancestor.
Close.
> You should know that this genetic test only tests
> one theory. The Khazar theory has NEVER been genetically tested, and the
> Khazar contribution may be matrilinear in any event.
It may be. Or it might be. Perhaps it could be.
> The
> overgeneralized nature of the presentation of the results is demonstrated
> by the statement by Dr. Harry Ostrer, "Jews and Arabs are
> all really children of Abraham".
So therefor what? You think that statement is in some way sillier and less
proven than your drivel? I assure you it's not.
> The study itself proves that Ethiopian
> Jews are not, which is just one contradiction.
Ethiopian Jews are converts. No problem here.
> And were all
> Polish Jews and Russian Jews originally from Italy, as the study contends?
I don't know. And neither do you. The new evidence shows a connection. The
genetic connection is meatier than anything you had to offer.
> Other genetic studies show a link to the Armenians, which
> may suggest an ancient migration route across the Caucasus into eastern
> Europe. And anthropologically many Polish Jews are Slavic.
Many? How many? And how do you know this? Did YOU do genetic testing?
Look fraud. No one mixing around Europe for so long has remained genetically
unambiguous. The evidence however, is showing the remarkable extent to which
Jews have kept this to a minimum. Not surprising considering the ethnic and
religious animosity between the Jews and their Gentile " hosts."
> Alternative ideas about Jewish genetics are contained in books by Steve
> Jones ("In The Blood") and David Keys ("Catastrophe").
> These authors present genetic evidence that shows that there is at least a
> modest, perhaps a substantial, contribution of non-Jewish
> genes into the Jewish gene pools of the modern world.
No argument, and no problem. I am a good example of it. BUT NO ONE IS SAYING
OTHERWISE YOU FRAUD. This isn't about racial purity.
> Even the
> anthropologist Leonard Glick ("Abraham's Heirs") has written that he
> believes there is evidence that Western European Jews have a lot in common
> with European Christians.
His beliefs might or might not be correct. Why are you citing his beliefs? Why
should I care about what he believes. Do his beliefs compare to the recent Y
chromosome tests.
> Finally, and most importantly,
> there were Levites, Cohens, and Israelites in the Khazar Kingdom
> (according to Arab chroniclers like Masudi and Dimashqi, Hebrew
> writers like Saadiah Gaon, and documents like the Kievan Letter and the
> Cambridge Document).
This is only hearsay when presented on its own. It might make up good
supporting or secondary evidence, but without the same testing that other
groups have gotten, you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
what sticks is your theory.
> These were Israelite men who married
> Turkic women.
So?
> So their descendants were semi-Khazars
> who had patrilinear
> Israelite genetics!
So you say fraud.
Semi Khazars? Take off your shoes and socks shmuck and learn how to count.
Their immediate offspring would be * semi-Khazars * , and their children's
children would be less and less * semi ( genetically, but not necessarily
culturally ) - Jewish *. There was at no time such significant numbers of
* genetic * Jews intermarrying with the Khazar masses. It went from the top
down.
The Khazars were not that
culturally very Jewish either. Only their elites were, and so were those Jews
which emigrated from their homes because of wars and persecution.
And then there were no more. Yet during the same period the Ashkenazim
kept their genetic IDs AND their culture. Here you have an A B comparison.
When you compare that with the Western Europeans, you have a pretty clear
picture that you are full of shit.
> Dina Kraft's May 9, 2000 article in the
> Associated Press quotes Hebrew University geneticist Howard Cedar who
> "said even though Y chromosomes are considered the
> best tool for tracing genetic heritage, researchers still don't know
> what the history is behind the variations. As a result, it is
> difficult to draw conclusions about genetic affinity.."
This is obviously a factual statement. I'm surprised that you recognize what
one looks like. Oh yeah! It serves your purpose doesn't it.
> The article
> also quotes Batsheva Bonne-Tamir, a Tel Aviv University
> geneticist, who "cautioned that the techniques were new and that until
> the human genome is mapped, it will be difficult to be
> certain about the conclusions."
Maybe we can't be certain about the conclusions, but what we have so far is
not boding well for you.
Genetic, archaeological, and historical evidence has placed an unlikely tribe
of Blacks in our fold. The Black Jews of Zimbabwe have submitted their Cohanim
for testing and turned out to be * genetic * AND cultural Jews as they claimed.
Nothing like this has shown up in Western Europe where the testing shows them
to be from a few root groups, none of which were Jewish.
I would find it fascinating if they could scrape together enough Khazars to do
such testing. My guess, which is much better than your fraudulent book hawking
one, is that there would be an indication that Khazars show a Jewish blip, and
that's all. But this is speculation, because it may be impossible to find men
who know that their families were Cohanim.
That's not my problem with you. My problem is your bullshit about BritAm Israel.
That is being destroyed as we speak by people who are not even interested in
the Jewish question.
It's time to find a new line of work.
This angle is played out.
Joshua2
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