In many things I think it would be prudent for people to make up their own minds. In
Drugs people should decide for themselves what is right for them. Some of the
anti-smoking ads are more along this line, telling kids to not be pressured and to use
their own judgement. Drugs should be no different. Of course, this post brings up a
good point, the kids can see through the lie that doing drugs means you sit around all
day, have no money and no life, and definitely have no success. Many of the most
successful people have used and continue to use drugs, and they know this. The idea
of talking down to kids in this fashion probably makes them resent the message more
and ultimately will lead more of them to try drugs (not that there is anything wrong
with that).
On Tue, 11 July 2000, Kris Millegan wrote:
>
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> Subject: Drug war economics
> From: "Jerry G" <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>
> Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2000 6:02 PM
> Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> The public service announcments are if anything a challenge
> to our young people to try drugs. The PSA's tell them you can
> never be anything if you are on/or have ever been on drugs,
> many kids can see past this obvious lie, look at the athletes,
> tv and movie stars, and politicians that are obviously successful
> that use drugs, and at their own friends, for some I'm sure the
> question comes to their mind, if they lied about this what else
> did they lie about, maybe drugs aren't really that bad after all.
>
> <A HREF="http://www.mv.com/ipusers/barbarian/book/dwe.htm">http://www.mv.com/i
> pusers/barbarian/book/dwe.htm</A>
> Please copy/mirror/pass around as long as there are no changes to the
> html/text. Controversial!!
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>
> excerpts:
> Drug War Economics
>
> [snip]
> Colleges or Prisons
>
> Every year, California budgets are fought on this issue. With the annual
> introduction of million dollar campaign contributions to the Wilson
> campaign, prison budgets are again on the rise. Are these prisons a
> deterrent to crime or a ticket to crime? What is the economic effect of the
> prison system on California and the future? Conclusions are drawn from the
> following data.
>
> A four year degree costs $20,000 at $5,000 per year.
> The average lifetime value of a college degree is $600,000.
> "Three Strikes" lifetime costs average 40 years at $25,000 a year.
> Over 700,000 drug offenders are in American jails and 1.5 million inmates
> total. Department of Corrections, "Three Strikes" estimates are 20 new
> prisons at $500,000,000 each for 84,000 additional inmates. (25 year Prison
> bonds)
>
> Here are the results given the above information:
>
> Each new prison cost's $120,000 per inmate to build.
> America denies 6 citizens a college education for each new prison bed.
> Each new prison bed is worth $3,600,000 in lost future income for America.
> Each "Three Strikes" inmate denies 50 college degrees.
> Each "Three Strikes" inmate denies America $30,000,000 in future income.
> Each "Three Strikes" inmate costs the Federal Government $4,500,000 in
> future taxes at 15% and California $1,800,000 at 6%. America spends 17.5
> billion dollars to jail drug offenders annually. This denies 875,000 college
> degrees each year.
>
> Over the next 40 years, America will spend over $700 billion housing drug
> offenders. This will deny 35,000,000 a college degree worth 21 trillion
> dollars in lost future income. This represents over $500 billion in lost
> wages annually in America, over $75 billion in federal revenues, and $3
> billion in revenues to California. Every dollar needlessly spent on the Drug
> War or other prison programs denies America $30 in future income and $6.25
> in future tax revenues.
>
> California has the second largest prison system in the world and is second
> only to China in prison population. We are now going through a second prison
> boom called, "Three Strikes." During our "Three Strikes" debate, none of our
> local candidates, Pete Wilson, the media, or the prison industry had any
> idea of the costs of this bill or where the money would come from to pay for
> the program. Here is the State's response under Pete Wilson and the "Three
> Strikes" frenzy.
>
> Q: Has anyone in your office found out how much this bill is going to cost?
> A: No. Q: Why not? A: It is not our responsibility. Q: Whose is it? A: I don
> 't know. Q: Why not? A: I don't know. Q: Then why don't you do the study
> yourself? A: We do not have the money to do the study. Q: Then how will we
> pay for "Three Strikes" ?A: I don't know. Q: Is this representative going to
> support the Bill? A: Yes Q: WHY? A: Because he has to be tough on crime. Q:
> Can this bankrupt the state? A: I hope not. Senator Hayden was the only one
> asking these questions.
>
> The prison industry has earned the name "Grey Gold" in California. Each new
> prison generates annual payrolls approaching $100 million. This provides
> employees good, middle class wages and benefits. Prisons are an economic
> boom for local economies. Unfortunately, they do not provide prosperity to
> this state or country. They create nothing for domestic or foreign markets
> for a stable economic base. Increased prison costs decrease future revenues
> for citizens and government. Finally, the tax base is the market for the
> prison industry.
>
> "Three Strikes" is a 70% increase in prison population in five years. The
> increased annual costs are $3 billion a year after $10 billion in
> construction costs for twenty new prisons. Pete Wilson and prison industry
> representatives have recently claimed "Three Strikes" as cost effective. The
> authors of studies, they used as references, refuted those claims. "This
> program will deny 600,000 California residents $5,000 a year in college and
> job training. By the year 2000 this program will reduce the wages of the
> average California worker almost $1,000 a month.
>
> Many of those displaced workers will be in California prisons or working for
> them. With current prison policies impacting our standard of living and
> denying future opportunity, we cannot afford another poverty program? This
> system cannot pay our present bills and present policy reduces future state
> revenues. Additional policies like "Three Strikes" increase debt and
> eventually bankrupt the state. If "Three Strikes" will reduce crime, why do
> we need 20 new prisons for 84,000 inmates? ( Because jails are storage
> facilities for surplus population.)
>
> It is time to compare our present investment strategies to Japan and
> demonstrate our economic brilliance in the marketplace. Japan has universal
> health care, a 2% unemployment rate, a $100 billion dollar federal budget
> surplus, a $150 billion dollar trade surplus, limited natural resources and
> the highest standard of living in the industrial world. Japan will not be
> going bankrupt any time soon. The quality of their work force and
> investments are responsible for the strong yen and increased standard of
> living.
>
> America has an abundance of natural resources, 6% to 10% unemployment,
> annual trade deficits over $100 billion and millions of citizens have
> inadequate health care. $250 billion annual federal deficits artificially
> employ 5 million Americans. Our government debt approaches $5 trillion and
> bankruptcy is a legitimate threat. Government bonds, by their own standards
> have junk bond ratings without the yield. The money government is borrowing
> does nothing to develop markets, products or improve the infrastructure. It
> pays bills.
>
> By the year 2000, America will have 2.5 million inmates costing $80 billion
> a year (this is a 70% increase like the California "Three Strikes" program).
> Japan will still have less than 50,000 inmates costing less than $1.5
> billion a year.
>
> We will be adding $20 billion each month to our national debt each month and
> $10 billion to our trade deficit each month. Japan will be training a
> skilled work force, contributing to an increased tax base and standard of
> living. America will be denying its citizens $30 of future income and
> government $6.25 in future taxes for every dollar wasted on present policy.
>
> I am not suggesting that we don't need prisons for violent and predatory
> offenders or the government. Even Japan has prisons. But America is using
> our prison system as a jobs program. That is why the CCPOA (California
> Correctional Police Officers Association) spent millions sponsoring Pete
> Wilson and the "Three Strikes" program. This program is creating the poverty
> where people have nothing to lose and a system consuming itself to pay for
> it. This type of investment strategy got us where we are today and shows us
> where we are headed. This Wall Street Journal headline (May 12,1994)
> describes current policy: "MAKING CRIME PAY- THE COLD WAR OF THE 90S"
> "Triangle of Special interests creates infrastructure to fight crime and
> Lawlessness" "Cities see Jobs", "Politicians Sense a Popular Issue" and
> "Businesses Cash In."
>
> "Colleges or Prisons" exposes the economic impact of existing policies. But
> what do the researchers say and what are their qualifications? Frederick H.
> Myers, MD., Professor of Pharmacology, School of Medicine at University of
> California, San Francisco, CA. He was head of the California Research
> Advisory Panel for the state of California.
>
> "A hysterical, ineffectual War on Drugs, is what we are currently
> experiencing, It will absorb funds and energy, provide excuses for inaction
> and deviousness and criminalize large groups within our society. The
> citizenry is deliberately misinformed by people with a vested interest in
> maintaining the size of the drug problem and the current hysterical
> reaction. Prohibition doesn't work. Nothing we have done in the past forty
> years has worked. It is time for the political and intellectual leaders of
> this country to openly criticize our present efforts, resist the current
> panic reaction by citizens and elected officials and help us redirect our
> efforts toward our youth, economy and cities."
>
> "It's well established that DARE doesn't work." Gilbert Botvin, Cornell
> Medical Center. Research shows that DARE hasn't been effective in reducing
> drug use." William Modzeleski, top drug education official at the Department
> of Education. "I think the DARE program should be scraped and redeveloped
> anew." Dr. William Hansen, helped design the original DARE program.
>
> [snip]
> =====
> Subject: LEGALIZE IT, DON'T CRITICIZE IT (was: Re: Drug war economics
> From: the 2nd coming of christ <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">jesuc
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>
> Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2000 10:39 PM
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>
> you're right, they (PSAs) are an invitation to do alcohol
> and cigarettes because if they are legal, they must
> be safe, but of course we know it's not the case,
> but the problem is with impressionable 12 year
> olds who want to act like adults and also
> [and there's always someone old enough
> willing to obtain it for them]
> there's peer pressure to smoke and be
> cool and act grown up. i think alcohol and
> tobacco should be treated just like any other
> drug so as not to give the impression that
> they are safer. if anything they're more dangerous....
> i wish alcohol and tobacco would have been illegal (growing up)
> because i would have understood, the shit was dangerous...
> but they send the false message they are safe by
> concentrating on weed and heroin... heroin is
> totally safe except for the shit they add
> to it in the streets to make a profit...
> weed is way safer than tobacco or alcohol...
>
> On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:02:02 -0800, Jerry G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : The public service announcments are if anything a challenge
> : to our young people to try drugs. The PSA's tell them you can
>
> turns out milk is more dangerous than most illegal drugs.
>
> : never be anything if you are on/or have ever been on drugs,
> : many kids can see past this obvious lie, look at the athletes,
>
> you can say that again...it is nothing but bull shit...
> you may be beginning to see the light...
>
> there may be hope for you yet...
>
> : tv and movie stars, and politicians that are obviously successful
> : that use drugs, and at their own friends, for some I'm sure the
> : question comes to their mind, if they lied about this what else
> : did they lie about, maybe drugs aren't really that bad after all.
>
> no worse than tobacco or alcohol, so why are those legal?
>
> don't tell me which drug i should use or not use,
> it's none of your business which i choose...
>
> jc2
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