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From: Birds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 1:13 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Reply to June re proof and evidence


> You wrote this below and yes my parents and other family members were
> Satanists.  I have the dates and have been in this for years.  That is how
I
> know.  For them Christmas eve is their biggest feast. I know several
others
> who are.  I was in a support group just for this for 4 years plus I am on
> lists on the computer directly releated to this.  There is a calendar they
> have.
>
>
>
>
> <their rituals? How do you know?  Were you ever a member of a satanic
coven?
> Do you personally know anyone who is, who tells
> you on what days they hold >
>
>
>    You also wrote this.  I will comment below.
>
> > So do I, but it has nothing to do with sexual abuse...you will find that
> most people from dysfunctional
> > families don't have fond Norman Rockwell memories regarding Christmas,
but
> it has nothing to do with sexual
> > abuse
>
>
> You mean to tell  me that you know for a fact that no one gets sexually
> abused on Christmas?
> I was sexually abused on Christmas Eve and it is sad that you do not
believe
> me.  Seems like I am in the wrong group.  I do not have to proof myself to
> noone and especially people I do not know.  So please don't anyone write
me
> again about anything to do with proof.  This subject is over and I will
just
> be reading to see if this is the place for me.  I want harmony, peace and
> love in my life.  Good luck to you all.  I will not let myself be subject
to
> such abuse from others .  Actually I will just sign off because what can
> this group offer me?  Not truth and that is for sure.   .When people such
as
> yourself say you need evidence, etc,. are people who are in total denial
> about anything in their life that may have hurt them and they do not want
> anyone to write on the subject of child abuse because it brings up their
> memories.  So I see people trying to silence me because of their own
> denials.  Well guess what, you won't have to worry.  I won't be fluffing
no
> ones feathers anymore.  I will go to my family (My friends that I have had
> for years who are wonderful, caring, believeing nurturing people)  I
should
> have never came in here and spilled my beans.  I need to get to know
people
> first and I did not do that in this case. I get a newsletter called
Contact
> (Conspiracy Mag).  This wonderful newspaper tells it like it is and they
too
> know the truths.  So this is what I thought I would get in here. So you
will
> be rid of the ole problem one in the group.
>
> Birdie
> Private mail welcome
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: "Birds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > One would have to be living in a coma or on Mars if they don't think
> these
> > > f------ parents are not guilty.  He is lucky to be rich and have the
> right
> > > connections.  Who is going to come into their house on Christmas
Eve????
> Get
> > > a grip people.  Besides, Christmas eve is one of the biggest holidays
> that
> > > satanic rituals occur
> >
> their rituals?> How do you know?  Were you ever a member of a satanic
coven?
> Do you personally know anyone who is, who tells
> > you on what days they hold
> >
> >
> > > and that is when she died.  Me and umpteen others on
> > > our support group all have horrific memories of good ole Christmas.
> >
> > So do I, but it has nothing to do with sexual abuse...you will find that
> most people from dysfunctional
> > families don't have fond Norman Rockwell memories regarding Christmas,
but
> it has nothing to do with sexual
> > abuse...
> >
> >
> > June
> >
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