> > > Your post is downright ludicrist and so untrue. There is not actually in > > the medical field a diagnosis called False Memory Syndrome who is run by a > > group of pedophiles who do not want to be convicted because of their > deeds. > > To me you sound like a Nazi writing this untrue stuff. Your denial is as > > thick as a Nazi. I am afraid to read your other posts. > > > > > > Birds > > Private Mail Welcome LOL! As one who has had repeated flame wars with Holocaust Revisionists re: the Institute for Historical Review types who deny the Holocaust, this is sadly amusing. http://www.egroups.com/message/apfn/7270 From: Michael Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 7:37am Subject: Re: [CCNN] What is wrong with Jews? Dan Diner Beyond the Conceivable Studies on Germany, Nazism, and the Holocaust Weimar and Now: German Cultural Criticism, 20 Publication Date:May 2000 286 pages, 6 x 9 inches Subjects:German Studies; Jewish Studies; Intellectual History Rights:World Clothbound:$45.00 0-520-21345-9 £28.50 "The brilliance of Diner's essays stems in good part from the astonishingly wide perspectives in which he sets his inquiries and from the interdisciplinary synthesis he is able to master. Publication in English is of extreme importance in enriching the debates on Nazism and the Holocaust in this country."--Saul Friedlander, author of Nazi Germany and the Jews "One of the most probing and intellectually sophisticated historians of the German Jewish conundrum, Dan Diner has a quality of mind and an intellectual depth and precision that are altogether unique."--Anson Rabinbach, author of In the Shadow of Catastrophe The major essays of Dan Diner, who is widely read and quoted in Germany and Israel, are finally collected in an English edition. They reflect the author's belief that the Holocaust transcends traditional patterns of historical understanding and requires an epistemologically distinct approach. One can no longer assume that actors as well as historians are operating in the same conceptual universe, sharing the same criteria of rational discourse. This is particularly true of victims and perpetrators, whose memories shape the distortions of historical narrative in ways often diametrically opposed. The essays are divided into three groups. The first group talks about anti-Semitism in the context of the 1930s and the ideologies that drove the Nazi regime. The second group concentrates on the almost unbelievably different perceptions of the "Final Solution," with particularly illuminating discussions of the Judenrat, or Jewish council. The third group considers the Holocaust as the subject of narrative and historical memory. Diner focuses above all on perspectives: the very notions of rationality and irrationality are seen to be changeable, depending on who is applying them. And because neither rational nor irrational motives can be universally assigned to participants in the Holocaust, Diner proposes, from the perspective of the victims, the idea of the counterrational. His work is directed toward developing a theory of Holocaust historiography and offers, clearly and coherently, the highest level of reflection on these problems. Dan Diner is Professor at the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Beer-Sheva, and Director of the Simon Dubnow Institute for Jewish History and Culture at Leipzig University. http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/8295.html Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman Denying History Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why Do They Say It? The S. Mark Taper Foundation Imprint in Jewish Studies Foreword by Arthur Hertzberg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Publication Date: June 2000 330 pages, 6 x 9 inches, 40 figures Subjects: Jewish Studies; History; Sociology Rights: World Clothbound: $27.50 0-520-21612-1 £17.50 Read an original essay by Michael Shermer about the British holocaust denial libel trial "[Shermer & Grobman's] meticulous work not only disproves Holocaust denials while confirming the horrors of the Holocaust but also lays a framework for examining how we know that any historical event actually happened. Fascinating and thorough, this book is essential for academic and large public libraries and for all Holocaust collections." --Library Journal "Holocaust denial gets an inventively thorough treatment in this important book. Using the deniers' own words to tear down their arguments, Shermer and Grobman provide a clear method for determining the reality of past events and supply a powerful weapon for anyone who cares about learning from the credible historical record."--Publishers Weekly "Whether you have never had an interest in the Holocaust, or have always been passionately interested in it, or are sick and tired of hearing about it, you won't be able to stop reading this great, gripping story."--Jared Diamond, winner of the 1998 Pulitzer Prize for Guns, Germs, and Steel "Shermer and Grobman destroy the Big Lie that the Holocaust never occurred, relentlessly confronting outrageous claims with ghastly, irrefutable facts. Denying History is all the more remarkable for its evenhandedness in the face of the Big Lie's perversity. . . . By any measure, an engrossing and important book."--Daniel J. Kevles, author of In the Name of Eugenics "Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman provide the necessary ammunition to confront one of the basest phenomena in today's academic world: the attempt to deny obvious historical facts surrounding one of the greatest tragedies of our time--the Holocaust. They show how any historical fact is verified and proven, and they deal with the specifics of the deniers' falsifications. In so doing they are filling a vacuum--the need of people who are not experts on the Holocaust, and who have no easy access to the wealth of documentation about it, to answer those who, usually motivated by pro-Nazi sympathies and antisemitism, deny or corrupt facts."--Yehuda Bauer, author of The Holocaust in Historical Perspective "An excellent and timely book that not only maps the unseemly quagmire inhabited by Holocaust deniers and other pseudohistorians, but also equips the user with the critical tools and historical information that, in distinguishing acknowledged fact from insidious fabrication, recovers the road to a civic dominion of common sense and common decency."--Robert Jan van Pelt, Professor of Cultural History, University of Waterloo "Like cancer, HIV, and influenza, Holocaust denial is a drain on human resources, energy, and creativity. Yet for the health of the society and the well-being of the individual citizen the maladies must be confronted, their spread halted, and their sources identified and neutralized. Shermer and Grobman have given us a splendid study of the voices and sponsors of Holocaust denial."--Franklin H. Littell, author of Hyping the Holocaust Denying History takes a bold and in-depth look at those who say the Holocaust never happened and explores the motivations behind such claims. While most commentators have dismissed the Holocaust deniers as antisemitic neo-Nazi thugs who do not deserve a response, historians Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman have immersed themselves in the minds and culture of these Holocaust "revisionists." They have conducted personal interviews with the deniers, read their literature, monitored their Web sites, attended their conferences, engaged them in debate, and even traveled around Europe to conduct research at the Nazi extermination camps. Uncovering a complex social movement, the authors go much deeper than ever before in not only trying to understand the motives of the Holocaust deniers, but also refuting their points one by one. In the process, they show how we can be certain that the Holocaust happened and, for that matter, how we can confirm any historical event. CONTENTS Foreword by Arthur Hertzberg Introduction. Who Speaks For The Past? History and Pseudohistory PART I. FREE SPEECH AND HISTORY 1. Giving the Devil His Due The Free Speech Issue 2. The Noble Dream How We Know Anything in History Happened PART II. INSIDE THE DENIAL MOVEMENT 3. Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened? An Inside Look at the Personalities and Organizations 4. Why They Say the Holocaust Never Happened The Ideological Agenda 5. How Deniers Distort History Flaws, Fallacies, and Failings in the Deniersí Arguments PART III. ARGUMENTS AND REFUTATIONS 6. The Crooked Timber of Auschwitz How Concentration Camps Became Death Camps 7. "For God's Sake--Terrible." The Scope and Scale of the Holocaust 8. The Evil of Banality The Protocols of National Socialism PART IV. TRUTH AND HISTORY 9. The Rape of History In Search of a True and Meaningful Past Michael Shermer is the founder and publisher of Skeptic magazine, Director of the Skeptics Society, Adjunct Professor of the History of Science at Occidental College, and host of the Skeptics Lecture Series at Caltech. He is also the host of a national TV show called Exploring the Unknown (Fox Network) and the author of Why People Believe Weird Things (1997), and How We Believe: The Search for God in an Age of Science (1999). Alex Grobman is the founding editor in chief of the Simon Wiesenthal Center Annual, as well as the editor of In Defense of the Survivors: The Letters and Documents of Oscar A. Mintzer, AJDC Legal Advisor, Germany, 1945-46 (1999) and coeditor, with Rabbi Daniel Landes and Sybil Milton, of Genocide: Critical Issues of the Holocaust (1983). A selection of the History Book Club Related Web Sites: The Skeptic Magazine Site And, I'd hazard a guess that there are hundreds of memoirs of GULAG victims. Here is a recent one from the same publisher. http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/8165.html Janusz Bardach and Kathleen Gleeson Man Is Wolf to Man Surviving the Gulag. Michael Pugliese Message 7270 of 7308 Copyright © 1998-2000 eGroups, Inc. All rights reserved. As for being afraid to read my other posts- beware, Mr. Lucifer is under your bed right now! ;-) Michael Pugliese <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. 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