-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K ----- Click Here: <A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:642741">The Republic that likes to call itself Democracy</A> ----- Subject: The Republic that likes to call itself Democracy From: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 4:04 PM Message-id: <8qbfpf$su5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The USA favorite self description for propaganda purposes is Democracy. Conservatives are constantly reminding liberals that the USA is a constitutional republic, not even a democratic republic preferred by conventional labellers. But even the most conservative of spokesmen for the USA bellow out democracy, government of the people and freedom when bragging overseas and giving the American governed the illusion of participation in their government. Of course even Russia called itself democratic and nowadays in the USA the two parties only system offers about as much choice as the one party system. And even among the "democratic" countries the USA is probably the most limited because of the two party system, not offering the choices of the more varied parlimentary system, the limited range of opinion allowed in their media, an establishment corporate media self described for deceptive propaganda purposes as the "free press, the national security establishment which is trying to run the world in the name of the people of the USA and therefore must squash dissent at home with police power,with more laws and aggressive policing, making security the growth industry of the last 25 years. ===== Subject: Re: The Republic that likes to call itself Democracy From: "daft_one" <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000 5:24 AM Message-id: <8qfj1d$h7h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Two points: (1) According to the World Factbook (1994), published by the federal government from CIA data, the description of the US government is "federal republic, strong democratic tradition" - a tacit admission that we DO NOT live in a democracy. Period. Whether or not any later editions list the same description is not known to me but this in itself is proof enough. (2) The fondling - oops, founding fathers, in general consensus, were definitely opposed to any party system being allowed to operate in the course of US politics. However, with all of the wrangling over federalism, lines were drawn and soon followed political parties. I guess that means such things are not necessary evils (as government has been described) so much as they are habits perhaps worthy of ending. Yes, I'm not voting for either side of the mutant. (Refer to the "Testify" video by Rage Against The Machine.) daft_one ===== Subject: Re: The Republic that likes to call itself Democracy From: <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] </A> Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000 7:08 AM Message-id: <8qfp59$slm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A republic is a representative democracy. ===== Subject: Re: The Republic that likes to call itself Democracy From: "daft_one" <A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000 11:41 AM Message-id: <8qg94q$hns$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8qfp59$slm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A republic is a representative democracy. > Hmm...let's see what the dictionary has to say. Also, note: if you ask any civics teacher, they usually squirm a bit before admitting there is a difference between a democratic republic and a republic. (You can look it up yourself here: <A HREF="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary.htm"> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary.htm</A> Main Entry: re�pub�lic Pronunciation: ri-'p&-blik Function: noun Etymology: French r�publique, from Middle French republique, from Latin respublica, from res thing, wealth + publica, feminine of publicus public -- more at REAL, PUBLIC Date: 1604 1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic> 2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters> 3 : a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the U.S.S.R., or Yugoslavia Clearly, your suggested definition of "republic" is a misconception. According to your logic, every country to wear "republic" on its mantle makes it a democracy (ask anyone in the People's Republic of China if that's the case). To wit, every government that is a representative democracy is a republic and not vice versa. In fact, the above definition does allow for people who use "republic" in a similiar context as you do but that's like the word "irregardless". Though logically the use of "irregardless" should mean "with regard" since there's a double negation built into the very formation of the word; yet, it is defined exactly the same as "regardless" because it is used in ignorance (like the old argument over "ain't" as to mean "isn't"). Ergo, the use of "republic" as a synonym for "democracy" is erroneous. If you use the thesaurus available above, please note that there is not a synonym for "republic". daft_one ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. 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