-Caveat Lector- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:06:57 +0000 From: Ancient Manuscripts Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: List Member <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: The controversy continues over Jesus being married Ancient Manuscripts Mailing List - http://www.ancientmanuscripts.com THE CONTROVERY CONTINUES: JESUS WAS MARRIED Perhaps the most compelling argument against the fact that Jesus was married has been the issue of sex becoming the �Original Sin� in our day. Certainly if sex were a sin then Jesus could not have participated. Nowhere in the Old Testament does God define the �Original Sin� as the sexual act. In fact before Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden God told them in Gen 1: 28 to multiply and replenish the earth. If anything the act of procreation was a commandment and not a sin. The �Original Sin� is defined in Gen 2: 16-17. God told Adam that he could partake of any fruit of the Garden except the tree of �Knowledge of Good and Evil�. Notice that Eve is not present at this time. She is created as a helpmate for Adam in the next two verses Gen: 18-19. One can only suspect whether or not Eve completely understood the commandment if she was not there when God presented it in the first place. Certainly Adam explained the idea to her somewhere along the line, but perhaps there continued to be a difference in understanding between Adam and Eve on this particular point. It wouldn�t have been the first time in history that man and woman had different ideas about the same subject. Now let�s look at the punishment attached to the violation of the partaking of the fruit of the tree. God said in Gen 1: 17, �For in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.� There are two very import types of death implied by this eating of the fruit. Let�s focus on the word �Day�. When Eve gave to Adam of the fruit that �day� they were cast out from the Garden of Eden. That was a spiritual death of sorts because it separated Adam from the immediate and continuous presence of God, which he enjoyed in the Garden of Eden. In the Garden Adam walked and talked with God. The second issue concerning the word �day� is a much broader concept. Physical death was introduced into the Garden the day Adam partook of the fruit. Enoch in the book �Secrets of Enoch� at http://www.ishopper.com/manuscripts/~RN=5002 was among the first to suggest that the �Day of the Lord� was equal to a thousand mortal years. If that is true then we understand why the oldest man on record who has ever lived was Methuselah. (Gen 5: 25-26) He was 969 years old when he died, just short of a day in the Lord�s time clearly qualifying, as �For the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die�. He died within one day of the Lord�s time. Having voluntarily come into the world he participated in the consequences of Adam�s partaking of the fruit. Subsequently the �Day of this Life� has been confusing for many who have read the ancient texts. The day of this life begins at birth but does not end at death. I really extends until the end of the �Final Judgment� no so coincidentally at the end of the thousand years of Millennial Era. Therefore, the judgment for �Original Sin� was death. (Romans 6: 23) Certainly under the broadest interpretations of the consequences for the fall of Adam we cannot conclude that the wages of sin are caused by sex. Procreation was a commandment before Eve arrived on the scene. Adam and Eve could not procreate in the Garden of Eden. They didn�t even understand their own nakedness until after they partook of the fruit. (Gen 3: 7-11) Therefore, the sin could not have been sex. They didn�t understand their nakedness until after they partook. Notice what the Devil said to Eve in order to entice her to eat of the fruit, (Gen 3: 3-7) �Ye ahall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as the gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat and gave also unto her husband with her: and he did eat.� The serpent was only partially right. Eve didn�t drop over and fall to the ground and return to the dust when she at the fruit. She did see the world differently and was able to distinguish good from evil. However, that act she committed was not a sexual act at all. The saga of Adam and Eve is much broader than is contained within the Bible. There are several places where additional information is available. The first is contained within the �Forgotten Books of Eden�. http://www.ishopper.com/manuscripts/~RN=3329 I really enjoyed this one and you will too. Notice what Adam did to punish Eve for her partaking of the fruit. He made her go and stand in the river. Perhaps that was the very first baptism ever performed. Another of the great resources for understanding this saga is in �Philo�. http://www.ishopper.com/manuscripts/~RN=19693 There is a very intense discussion of this matter in the three chapters just following his chapter on creation called �The allegorical interpretations� one two and three. How can we completely understand the Garden of Eden and �Original Sin� without this explanation? Then there is a very large old book called �The Old Testament Pseudapegrapha�. That will be offered on my site in the future. Those wanting a copy can call me at 1-888-904-9394. It costs $49.95 plus shipping. Those ordering other books can have the shipping costs mitigated by calling me. There are some who have shunned the Pseudapegrapha because it relies so greatly on oral traditions. Frankly so do the first four books of the Gospels; Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. We forget that these books called pseudapegrapha were written in many different eras of time and stored in places like the great library of Alexandria. We have very clean copies in our day. Certainly they rival any history form the period and before. Those who would ban the Pseudapegrapha from our religious understanding must not look in the mirror with a Bible in their hands. That would be hypocrisy at its finest. We are adults. We can sift through material and with a pinch of inspiration determine for ourselves what was true and what was stretched too far. Therefore, when we are speaking of Jesus being married it is critical to understand that if He were to obey the commandments of God given to Adam He too would have been required to be fruitful and replenish the earth. The sixth commandment in Exodus 20 against committing adultery is not the same as multiplying and replenishing the earth. Need I explain that one? The commandments to remain faithful cannot be construed to suggest that procreation is evil. The harshest of punishments in the ancient world were reserved for those who killed and for those who committed adultery. Somehow we let that punishment get out of hand and imply that all sex was evil. Certainly mortal death isn�t evil either, unless it is accompanied by murder etc. We cannot suggest that those who marry and keep the commandment to replenish the earth are following some sinful path originated by Adam and Eve. Their sin, if sin is the right word, was a voluntary partaking of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. For this purpose we came into the world. We came here by choice, whether we think so or not, just like Adam and Eve made that very same choice. When God announced in that great council in heaven before the foundations of the earth were laid that Jesus would come and be the Savior of the world God did not intend that we be saved from sex. We, the angels in heaven who attended that great gathering, jumped for joy at the prospect of mortal life. We knew that none of us could grow without a first hand understanding of good and evil, the one thing we couldn�t understand in the presence of a God who didn�t tolerate evil in his presence with the least degree of allowance. The one truth the serpent suggested in the Garden was that knowledge of good and evil was a Godly requirement. Jesus came here to gain the same kinds of experiences for which we came. He did a much better job of it. That had to include a full emersion in the mortal experience including family. 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